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    Nice! I honestly didn't expect that such stuff is possible with stone wall.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Gallowglass View Post
    In before:

    *nasal whine* "but Wall of Stone doesn't work that way! */nasal whine*
    Actually, it can:

    http://www.d20srd.org/srd/spells/wallOfStone.htm

    Unlike a wall of iron, you can create a wall of stone in almost any shape you desire. The wall created need not be vertical, nor rest upon any firm foundation; however, it must merge with and be solidly supported by existing stone. It can be used to bridge a chasm, for instance, or as a ramp. For this use, if the span is more than 20 feet, the wall must be arched and buttressed. This requirement reduces the spellís area by half. The wall can be crudely shaped to allow crenellations, battlements, and so forth by likewise reducing the area.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Gallowglass View Post
    In before:

    *nasal whine* "but Wall of Stone doesn't work that way! */nasal whine*

    Great comic!
    [nasal whine] But wall of stone works exactly that way![/nasal whine]

    Quote Originally Posted by Wall of Stone
    Unlike a wall of iron, you can create a wall of stone in almost any shape you desire. The wall created need not be vertical, nor rest upon any firm foundation; however, it must merge with and be solidly supported by existing stone. It can be used to bridge a chasm, for instance, or as a ramp. For this use, if the span is more than 20 feet, the wall must be arched and buttressed. This requirement reduces the spellís area by half. The wall can be crudely shaped to allow crenellations, battlements, and so forth by likewise reducing the area.

    http://www.d20srd.org/srd/spells/wallOfStone.htm
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    Quote Originally Posted by Gallowglass View Post
    In before:

    *nasal whine* "but Wall of Stone doesn't work that way! */nasal whine*

    Great comic!
    Sure it does!
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    Quote Originally Posted by hamishspence View Post
    Actually, it can:

    http://www.d20srd.org/srd/spells/wallOfStone.htm

    Unlike a wall of iron, you can create a wall of stone in almost any shape you desire. The wall created need not be vertical, nor rest upon any firm foundation; however, it must merge with and be solidly supported by existing stone. It can be used to bridge a chasm, for instance, or as a ramp. For this use, if the span is more than 20 feet, the wall must be arched and buttressed. This requirement reduces the spellís area by half. The wall can be crudely shaped to allow crenellations, battlements, and so forth by likewise reducing the area.
    Sure, you can make the rules say anything you want, just be reading exactly what they say and then discovering they agree with what you want them to say.

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    Man, I love Dwarves.


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    Quote Originally Posted by hamishspence View Post
    Actually, it can:

    http://www.d20srd.org/srd/spells/wallOfStone.htm

    Unlike a wall of iron, you can create a wall of stone in almost any shape you desire. The wall created need not be vertical, nor rest upon any firm foundation; however, it must merge with and be solidly supported by existing stone. It can be used to bridge a chasm, for instance, or as a ramp. For this use, if the span is more than 20 feet, the wall must be arched and buttressed. This requirement reduces the spellís area by half. The wall can be crudely shaped to allow crenellations, battlements, and so forth by likewise reducing the area.
    Quote Originally Posted by zimmerwald1915 View Post
    [nasal whine] But wall of stone works exactly that way![/nasal whine]



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    Wall of Stone

    Unlike a wall of iron, you can create a wall of stone in almost any shape you desire. The wall created need not be vertical, nor rest upon any firm foundation; however, it must merge with and be solidly supported by existing stone.
    The ramp has support pillars created by the wall itself. It would be a good argument, if it weren't for the "this version of Wall of Stone doesn't have that clause" rebuttal.
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    You can never escape bard jokes. NEVER.
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    Pretty sure there isn't a bard joke that Durkon hasn't heard before. But I guess it could be an acquired taste kind of thing.

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    Random thought from that wall of stone conversation; would it be possible to use wall of stone offensively by creating a wall that cannot possibly be supported by the surrounding area, so that it breaks apart on top of characters underneath? Or would the spell just fail?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Dion View Post
    Sure, you can make the rules say anything you want, just be reading exactly what they say and then discovering they agree with what you want them to say.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Resileaf View Post
    Random thought from that wall of stone conversation; would it be possible to use wall of stone offensively by creating a wall that cannot possibly be supported by the surrounding area, so that it breaks apart on top of characters underneath? Or would the spell just fail?
    The spell would just fail.

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    Quote Originally Posted by zimmerwald1915 View Post
    The spell would just fail.
    Magic is boring.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Resileaf View Post
    Magic is boring.
    Imean, not really; a 3rd level spell can take out those supports right after popping up the wall.
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    Sgt Sigdi leading the troops with "what are you waiting for, engraved invitation."
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    Quote Originally Posted by Peelee View Post
    Imean, not really; a 3rd level spell can take out those supports right after popping up the wall.
    Can be accomplished in one round by a single 13th-level Cleric (wall of stone, quickened stone shape) or by a 9th-level and a 5th-level Cleric working in concert.

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    Quote Originally Posted by zimmerwald1915 View Post
    Can be accomplished in one round by a single 13th-level Cleric (wall of stone, quickened stone shape) or by a 9th-level and a 5th-level Cleric working in concert.
    At 9th level, isn't the damage from falling stone as practically irrelevant to a character as natural fire damage, though?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Resileaf View Post
    would it be possible to use wall of stone offensively by creating a wall that cannot possibly be supported by the surrounding area, so that it breaks apart on top of characters underneath? Or would the spell just fail?
    Since the spell description says it must be solidly supported, I donít think you can create a wall thatís not solidly supported.

    But if your goals is to create lots of heavy, well supported stone, and then remove the supports so it collapses (like by breaking your wizard staff on a bridge so your enemy falls in the bottomless pit, or whatever), then sure... i think itís just regular stone after itís been created.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Grey_Wolf_c View Post
    At 9th level, isn't the damage from falling stone as practically irrelevant to a character as natural fire damage, though?

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    Falling rocks get an arbitrary bonus to damage sufficient to kill everything

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    Quote Originally Posted by Grey_Wolf_c View Post
    At 9th level, isn't the damage from falling stone as practically irrelevant to a character as natural fire damage, though?

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    Damage regardless, fire you can walk through. A bit harder to accomplish that feat through stone.
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    Quote Originally Posted by zimmerwald1915 View Post
    Falling rocks get an arbitrary bonus to damage sufficient to kill everything
    Rocks fall, you die is a trope for a reason.

    And being burried does have rules that you can't unbury yourself (at least in Pathfinder), so unless someone helps you out, you're stuck.

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    Quote Originally Posted by zimmerwald1915 View Post
    Falling rocks get an arbitrary bonus to damage sufficient to kill everything
    No! I just know Thog is alive. Heíll come back. Youíll see!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Grey_Wolf_c View Post
    At 9th level, isn't the damage from falling stone as practically irrelevant to a character as natural fire damage, though?

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    Depends on how much stone. Thog may not entirely agree with you.


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    [nasal whine] But wall of stone works exactly that way![/nasal whine]
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    I knew it! BARDS!
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    Quote Originally Posted by Gallowglass View Post
    I apologize.
    If weíre all expected to apologize for telling bad jokes, I have a LOT of apology posts to write.

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    Oof, the puns were particularly bad, and itís not even like they get bonuses for saying them! (LetĎs not reflect on how the same is true of my puns)


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    Quote Originally Posted by Jaxzan Proditor View Post
    Oof, the puns were particularly bad, and itís not even like they get bonuses for saying them! (LetĎs not reflect on how the same is true of my puns)
    The puns were a little ďrocky!Ē

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    That were awesome!!

    let's just... keep movin', aye?

    I had all sorts of ideas as to how the order got into the chamber, but I guess Durkon and Hilgya get another solo adventure...

    I kind of expect a "hi ho, hi ho" joke along in here somewhere...

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    I find the detail of Roy being eaten really funny.
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