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    Quote Originally Posted by Vinyadan View Post
    We didn't know that Smith would dress like a woman when the line appeared. (I'm also not even sure that that's crossdressing, in tumblrspeak.)
    *shrug*
    It's what I assumed when the line first came up. Detectives and the like frequently go undercover with disguises, and Smith was as cliché as they came, so I assumed that they also used such disguises, and the cross dressing was an informed attribute because Mookie is a lazy writer who snubs showing to suck telling's ****.

    Honestly, I think Mookie handled it better than many others. He put it down in a way that made you side with the genderqueer (because objectively Gavin was a jerk), and he also integrated it into the plot (with the prostitute disguise). Plus, he somehow managed to do this with doing a twist on the hard-boiled detective, a stock character which often both exhibits toxic masculinity and consciously suffers through its deleterious effects.
    You're right. This is one of the best things Mookie has ever written, but that just makes it competent, not good. Introducing an LGBT character who is only explicitly revealed as such at the very end is still not inspiring.
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    Remember that this wasnt supposed to be the end of the comic either. For all we know, the detective would have been a semi regular feature from now on. Something like, "Ive spent 20 years of my life trying to bring down the families, im done with this world, got a place I can stay? hint hint" And honestly, I prefer it when the author doesnt treat it as a big deal. Too often we get the forced diversity where thats the big defining feature of the character and its in your face about it. Isnt it better that its just a casual thing of no real importance to anyone in the comic aside from friends and relationships? We got that hint awhile back and it just wasnt considered worth dwelling on because gender identity shouldnt be a big deal to anyone not the person involved.
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    Call me cynical, but StarPower has a protagonist is who white with unrealistic body proportions, and she not only saves the rest of the universe from danger but shows them a better of living, culminating in a non-white character bowing before the white protagonist. Throwing in messages about de-funding police and celebrating gender fluidity doesn't make the writers seem enlightened.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Traab View Post
    Remember that this wasnt supposed to be the end of the comic either. For all we know, the detective would have been a semi regular feature from now on. Something like, "Ive spent 20 years of my life trying to bring down the families, im done with this world, got a place I can stay? hint hint"
    True, but that doesn't help anything now. We should analyze the work as it is, not as it could have been.

    And honestly, I prefer it when the author doesnt treat it as a big deal. Too often we get the forced diversity where thats the big defining feature of the character and its in your face about it. Isnt it better that its just a casual thing of no real importance to anyone in the comic aside from friends and relationships? We got that hint awhile back and it just wasnt considered worth dwelling on because gender identity shouldnt be a big deal to anyone not the person involved.
    Representation of minority figures isn't a boolean "in your face" or "completely irrelevant." That's a false dichotomy. There is a spectrum, and a character's identity can be important to that character and those around them without consuming the entirety of the work.

    A great example of this, in my opinion, is the cartoon Static Shock. The main character is a black kid, and this is very often relevant. The show frequently covers racial issues, sometimes as small exchanges between characters, sometimes as the focus of full episodes. However, the majority of the episodes are just teenage superhero antics. The fact that Static is black is important, but the show doesn't revolve around it. That's what I want.

    Unfortunately, LGBT characters seem to be held to a different standard. I've never heard anyone who dislikes Static Shock, but the moment a different work tries to make a gay character more than a footnote, people throw a hissy fit. The moment someone tries to claim that gay characters should be more than footnotes, people throw a hissy fit. The existence of important LGBT themes won't automatically ruin a story, and the fact that people still complain about LGBT characters being "thrown in our faces" just shows why we still need more representation.
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    Quote Originally Posted by elros View Post
    Call me cynical, but StarPower has a protagonist is who white with unrealistic body proportions, and she not only saves the rest of the universe from danger but shows them a better of living, culminating in a non-white character bowing before the white protagonist. Throwing in messages about de-funding police and celebrating gender fluidity doesn't make the writers seem enlightened.
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    It seems pretty weird that Mookie thinks her being born in Brazil is an indicator of race.

    Like, she seems like a pretty bog-standard White Brazilian to me. But a disturbing number of people seem to have this really goddamn weird idea that you can't be both white and Hispanic or Latina even though literally any race can be either of those two things.

    Actually, is their a Brazilian equivalent to Hispanic? Since Hispanic is specifically for Spanish speaking peoples.

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    It seems pretty weird that Mookie thinks her being born in Brazil is an indicator of race.

    Like, she seems like a pretty bog-standard White Brazilian to me. But a disturbing number of people seem to have this really goddamn weird idea that you can't be both white and Hispanic or Latina even though literally any race can be either of those two things.

    Actually, is their a Brazilian equivalent to Hispanic? Since Hispanic is specifically for Spanish speaking peoples.
    I thought Brazillians were originally of Portuguese descent? Not sure why i think that so im probably wrong. Well i say originally but I mean of the non indigenous people. Did a quick wiki something like 47% white, 43% mixed.
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    I really don't get Mookie as a writer.
    He wrote that he intended to write the arc with LGBT representation before the arc began, so I'm guessing he had some idea on what and how he is going to do this.
    And yet, this is what we get? One reference you could easily miss if you blink, and one page in the epilogue that throws an amazing racial ability at us without explanation?

    There were so many places he could've place it within the story, heck, I'd even settle for a "planet of the hats" page between issues.

    I still give him points for not screwing this up (which makes him better by NOT writing about the topic), but that's more an indication on how much our expectations are low a lot more than a kudos to him.

    Quote Originally Posted by elros View Post
    Call me cynical, but StarPower has a protagonist is who white with unrealistic body proportions, and she not only saves the rest of the universe from danger but shows them a better of living, culminating in a non-white character bowing before the white protagonist. Throwing in messages about de-funding police and celebrating gender fluidity doesn't make the writers seem enlightened.
    I don't think the problem is the race itself as much as the message it sends about current racial issues.
    But this is a topic I harped on many times in this thread, that I passed the anger stage right to apathy.

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    Unfortunately, LGBT characters seem to be held to a different standard. I've never heard anyone who dislikes Static Shock, but the moment a different work tries to make a gay character more than a footnote, people throw a hissy fit. The moment someone tries to claim that gay characters should be more than footnotes, people throw a hissy fit. The existence of important LGBT themes won't automatically ruin a story, and the fact that people still complain about LGBT characters being "thrown in our faces" just shows why we still need more representation.
    This is more or less the reason for my love-hate relationship with the CW shows regarding this topic.

    Their writers couldn't write a good relationship if their lives depended on it, but they had plenty of LGBT couples, and most of the problems they had were completely regular failures in writing that were not related to gender or representation (at least in the shows before Bat-Woman).

    This is something that She-Ra was praised for, but technically CW were ahead of her by several years.
    Pity it was years of bad writing.

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    Update

    Wrapping it all up.
    Shall I go with "I will show you the world" from Aladdin, or the "can you read my mind" flying scene from the first Superman movie?

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    Uh Danica? You do remember other people can't breathe in space, yes?

    Unless... Please tell me the plan isn't to make more Starpowered Sentinels.
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    Still disappointed by the way the romances developed.

    I much preferred the idea of Burke getting with Grex. The two of them getting closer as she helps him readjust to civilian life and bonding over their shared pasts in crooked organizations seemed actually interesting. Certainly more interesting than the way Burke and Danica got pushed. Or how rushed and clumsily Grex and Smith got pushed.

    I guess there's just no mixing allowed in Star Powered. It would seem it wasn't an accident that the only person interested in the naughty bits of aliens was a villain. (Black Hole Bill and his enjoyment of porn involving Grex's species.)

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    Still disappointed by the way the romances developed.

    I much preferred the idea of Burke getting with Grex. The two of them getting closer as she helps him readjust to civilian life and bonding over their shared pasts in crooked organizations seemed actually interesting. Certainly more interesting than the way Burke and Danica got pushed. Or how rushed and clumsily Grex and Smith got pushed.

    I guess there's just no mixing allowed in Star Powered. It would seem it wasn't an accident that the only person interested in the naughty bits of aliens was a villain. (Black Hole Bill and his enjoyment of porn involving Grex's species.)
    It is hilariously ironic that Mookie pats himself on the back for his brave depiction of an LGBT character while tearing apart the only (mildly) interesting relationship to force two mono-race couples.
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    Admittedly, Black Hole Bill might have just been teasing Grex, but it is a strong argument towards sexual attraction between species. I think there even was some fluff describing Grex's people as very attractive for other peoples.

    Otherwise, realistically, it might be like with other animal species. While this isn't strictly comparable because of the intelligence factor, we do have pretty strong instincts against getting in a romantic relationship with other species (although, admittedly, other animals do occasionally mix up, at least briefly, like elephants and rhinos). In general, I would expect different species to have different biologically mandated approaches to this, and to show different individual and cultural approaches within the species.

    When I did my slays, one of the jokes was that Chief and Brightman were in a relationship, but they were literally toxic to each other and needed treatment if they wanted to stay together.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Vinyadan View Post
    Admittedly, Black Hole Bill might have just been teasing Grex, but it is a strong argument towards sexual attraction between species. I think there even was some fluff describing Grex's people as very attractive for other peoples.

    Otherwise, realistically, it might be like with other animal species. While this isn't strictly comparable because of the intelligence factor, we do have pretty strong instincts against getting in a romantic relationship with other species (although, admittedly, other animals do occasionally mix up, at least briefly, like elephants and rhinos). In general, I would expect different species to have different biologically mandated approaches to this, and to show different individual and cultural approaches within the species.

    When I did my slays, one of the jokes was that Chief and Brightman were in a relationship, but they were literally toxic to each other and needed treatment if they wanted to stay together.
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    Humanity has shown a remarkable desire to have sex with literally anything. I don't buy this argument that humans in a sci-fi environment would stick to humans. People in the real world want to screw aliens right now, and we're not even sure they exist. Give us actual aliens? You can bet there'll be some interspecies hanky-panky.
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    Generally, with a few exception I dislike the whole concept of "we're reaching the end, let's find a couple for every major character" thing.

    In this case, I'll accept anything generic and boring over "trying to do his own thing".

    For the sake of our sanity, let us reach the end with every cliche in the book without new surprises.

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    Quote Originally Posted by random11 View Post
    Generally, with a few exception I dislike the whole concept of "we're reaching the end, let's find a couple for every major character" thing.
    So do I. If you built up the relationship throughout the story, then sure. They can get together. But, don't just slap random characters together because everyone needs their happily ever after romance. I hate it.
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    Meh, wasnt burke always kinda interested in danica? Like, he seemed to be the first to jump away from the whole "Omg we need vengeance" riff of his vorp angel buddies (whatever happened to them again?) Yeah the grex pairing could have worked too, but at least his half of the burnica pairing had some backing. Hers though? I honestly dont recall how things went from, "He is evil, tried to kill me several times, and worked for a intergalactic terrorist merc group, I dont like him" to "Oh burke, your love of spineapple pizza has won my heart, lets have sex in space!"
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    Quote Originally Posted by Traab View Post
    Meh, wasnt burke always kinda interested in danica? Like, he seemed to be the first to jump away from the whole "Omg we need vengeance" riff of his vorp angel buddies (whatever happened to them again?) Yeah the grex pairing could have worked too, but at least his half of the burnica pairing had some backing. Hers though? I honestly dont recall how things went from, "He is evil, tried to kill me several times, and worked for a intergalactic terrorist merc group, I dont like him" to "Oh burke, your love of spineapple pizza has won my heart, lets have sex in space!"
    Burke is the closest thing to a character with actual development.
    Some aspects of it were completely dumb (like joining the criminal organization just to fly while remaining completely oblivious to how bad they were), but they were still legit in the way they were constructed.

    It the case of Burke and Danica, he started by pretty much worshiping her.
    This was broken in the Hymn arc, and turned later into an actual regular friendship (with a slight over-emphasis on pizzas).

    It's not like I don't see them as a couple, but it kind of jumped a few steps just because it was about to end.

    But hey, it wouldn't be Mookie if there wasn't skipping important things to get to the "good stuff", and all things considered it was not THAT bad, just mild annoyance from being forced into a couple just because the comic is about to end.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Traab View Post
    Meh, wasnt burke always kinda interested in danica? Like, he seemed to be the first to jump away from the whole "Omg we need vengeance" riff of his vorp angel buddies (whatever happened to them again?) Yeah the grex pairing could have worked too, but at least his half of the burnica pairing had some backing. Hers though? I honestly dont recall how things went from, "He is evil, tried to kill me several times, and worked for a intergalactic terrorist merc group, I dont like him" to "Oh burke, your love of spineapple pizza has won my heart, lets have sex in space!"
    Maybe this is hidden world building. Maybe the point we're supposed to draw from this is that people who like spineapple on pizza are so incredibly rare and repressed that when two of them actually stumble upon one another, they immediately fall in love. It's a coping mechanism that evolved into a fetish.
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    That's still probably the most pointless word alterations he's done. Even beyond his, "You know exactly what these 'alien' curse words are supposed to be."

    Could have just had it so that even aliens agree that pineapple on pizza is an abomination. Nope. In the space future it's 'spineapple'.

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    Update

    Oh, you meant THIS kind of flying.
    Whatever, just get it over with.

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    This comic has been for me a literal example of "so bad, it's good."
    Damn, now I'm gonna miss it.
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    Oh, jeez. Apparently Garth can't draw kissing well.
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    What was wrong with the kissing? It didnt seem too bad to me. No joker mouths trying to engulf the head of the other at least. *EDIT* Also, that older woman looking right into the "camera" why do i feel like someone decided to include their mother into the comic?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Traab View Post
    What was wrong with the kissing? It didnt seem too bad to me. No joker mouths trying to engulf the head of the other at least. *EDIT* Also, that older woman looking right into the "camera" why do i feel like someone decided to include their mother into the comic?
    Burke is chewing on Danica's bottom lip, while she stabs him in the eye with her nose. It's not terrible, but it was clearly drawn without a reference image.
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    I guess, but as far as comparative work goes, for them this is pretty solid work. At least there isnt a missing limb involved, or a mystery wall.
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    I also noticed the woman breaking the fourth wall.

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    The End.
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    Danica's face in the second panel doesn't really fit what she's saying.
    She looks like she should talk about galactic conquest and burning worlds, not about how great it is that her friends have her back.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Kantaki View Post
    Danica's face in the second panel doesn't really fit what she's saying.
    She looks like she should talk about galactic conquest and burning worlds, not about how great it is that her friends have her back.
    It fits perfectly.

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    Burke is chewing on Danica's bottom lip, while she stabs him in the eye with her nose.
    Where* he is going, he doesn't need eyes

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