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    I like using Karn, the Great Creator to recur Midnight Clock.
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    You can pick up a copy for $0.38. Cloud Key costs 54.5x that.
    Cloud Key is also from a set that's over a decade old and has never been reprinted. Of course it's expensive, demand is higher than supply. Hell, Ripjaw Raptor, which is only a year out of Standard, is $1.88, and it's worse than Umori.

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    Cloud Key is also from a set that's over a decade old and has never been reprinted. Of course it's expensive, demand is higher than supply. Hell, Ripjaw Raptor, which is only a year out of Standard, is $1.88, and it's worse than Umori.
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    I like using Karn, the Great Creator to recur Midnight Clock.
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    So, Jumpstart. I'll confess that my interest is mostly in seeing how they're designing the packs so that I can make my own MtG SmashUp clone.

    However, there are some crazy reprints, and some fun legendary critters.

    But the real meat of it is that the method they used to build the packs looks really simple:

    Build Your Own Jumpstart Pack

    You'll need:
    • 8 lands. Monocolor packs appear to have seven basics and one color-fixing non-basic, while Rainbow has one of each basic, a Terramorphic Expanse, and two non-basics that can produce all five colors.
    • 4-5 "fuel" cards. These are your early game fodder, or the stuff that you shove into your engine to make it work.
    • 2 pieces of removal. Generally not very good removal, but removal all the same.
    • 3-4 "engine" cards. These are the cards that make the theme actually work - your sacrifice outlets, your midrange critters, or your tribal lords.
    • 2-3 "payoff" cards. These are your curve toppers that let you win the game with your engine. These are your bombs and your flashy stuff.


    Rarities aren't constant from pack to pack (because each pack has its own rarity), but you should be looking at around 8 commons, 4 uncommons, and 1 rare. (With big, flashy packs trading an uncommon for a Rare or Mythic).
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    Quote Originally Posted by Amechra View Post
    So, Jumpstart. I'll confess that my interest is mostly in seeing how they're designing the packs so that I can make my own MtG SmashUp clone.

    However, there are some crazy reprints, and some fun legendary critters.

    But the real meat of it is that the method they used to build the packs looks really simple:

    Build Your Own Jumpstart Pack

    You'll need:
    • 8 lands. Monocolor packs appear to have seven basics and one color-fixing non-basic, while Rainbow has one of each basic, a Terramorphic Expanse, and two non-basics that can produce all five colors.
    • 4-5 "fuel" cards. These are your early game fodder, or the stuff that you shove into your engine to make it work.
    • 2 pieces of removal. Generally not very good removal, but removal all the same.
    • 3-4 "engine" cards. These are the cards that make the theme actually work - your sacrifice outlets, your midrange critters, or your tribal lords.
    • 2-3 "payoff" cards. These are your curve toppers that let you win the game with your engine. These are your bombs and your flashy stuff.


    Rarities aren't constant from pack to pack (because each pack has its own rarity), but you should be looking at around 8 commons, 4 uncommons, and 1 rare. (With big, flashy packs trading an uncommon for a Rare or Mythic).
    Maybe the recipe is fairly stable, but from what has been said in interviews the amount of work required to make 121 packs that all played well with each other was monstrous, and it seems doubtful that someone could make custom packs that work nearly as well with the whole set as what is already there without tons of time and energy.

    On a mostly unrelated note, who else is ready to force WUBRG Shrines in draft?
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    I'm not sure about trying to force it in draft, but the new ones definitely got my mind racing for how to build WUBRG commander shrines.
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    For commander shrines,, for what it's worth, I don't think it gets better than Captain Sisay, the new one, since she can tutor any of them out.
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    The new Sisay is perfect, though I'm not sure she'd be an appropriate power level for the group I play in. She's too consistent as the commander unless I'm playing against stronger decks. My initial list is a shrines and pillowfort deck that has her in the 99 and O-Kagachi as the commander. I'm open to shifting them around depending on what I'm facing though.
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    I just had a game where I got over two hundred growth-counters on my Simic Ascendency that had entered the battlefield on my previous turn, then won by bringing my opponent to negative six hundred ninety-three life via battle-damage.

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    For commander shrines,, for what it's worth, I don't think it gets better than Captain Sisay, the new one, since she can tutor any of them out.
    The problem there is it limits you to only 2 colors, and shrines wants all 5.
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    The new Sisay has a WUBRG activated ability to make her 5-color. She tutors out a legendary permanent onto the battlefield with CMC less than or equal to the number of colors among permanents you control.
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    For anyone who is confused. Also, anyone who was hoping to use her for Brawl, she is unfortunately not legal on Arena.

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    For anyone who is confused. Also, anyone who was hoping to use her for Brawl, she is unfortunately not legal on Arena.
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    The Chandra Commander Event deck is spicy. I like it, I think I'll try to recreate it.

    Gotta love, how M21 still upholds the thread title of adding yet another bunch of Chandra cards, MTG's favorite bisexual decidedly straight pyromancer.

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    The Chandra Commander Event deck is spicy. I like it, I think I'll try to recreate it.

    Gotta love, how M21 still upholds the thread title of adding yet another bunch of Chandra cards, MTG's favorite bisexual decidedly straight pyromancer.
    If it helps any the official word is that she's pansexual and this is just the start of her realizing it. Like it was a very ****ty and bad scene and line to write, but it is intended to lead somewhere good it's just hard to see because of how rushed the story was.

    But yeah oops all Chandras.

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    If it helps any the official word is that she's pansexual and this is just the start of her realizing it. Like it was a very ****ty and bad scene and line to write, but it is intended to lead somewhere good it's just hard to see because of how rushed the story was.

    But yeah oops all Chandras.
    The person who wrote the straightwashing scene almost certainly didn't intend it that way, but I'm prepared to believe that WotC has collectively backpedaled on that and wants to salvage it.

    Also, Sisay 5-color shrines in Commander is fun.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Eurus View Post
    The person who wrote the straightwashing scene almost certainly didn't intend it that way, but I'm prepared to believe that WotC has collectively backpedaled on that and wants to salvage it.

    Also, Sisay 5-color shrines in Commander is fun.
    Maro has said outright that by his understanding Chandra is meant to be pan. They also put out in an official statement that Chandra is still new to this, and explained how all their regime changes have led to stories being... clunky, for a bit, and how they intend to improve.

    I look forward to seeing them put their money where their mouths are, personally, but at least Ikoria was a good book.

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    Also, Sisay 5-color shrines in Commander is fun.
    I’d be interested to see your deck list. I’m brewing one of my own, but its price is quickly ballooning out of control. I’ve been trying to combine the shrines with a pillow fort theme.
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    Quote Originally Posted by LaZodiac View Post
    Maro has said outright that by his understanding Chandra is meant to be pan. They also put out in an official statement that Chandra is still new to this, and explained how all their regime changes have led to stories being... clunky, for a bit, and how they intend to improve.

    I look forward to seeing them put their money where their mouths are, personally, but at least Ikoria was a good book.
    The regime changes are the issue, yeah. Mark Rosewater may mean well, but he's not really the guy in charge of the novels. But, hopefully the backlash made whoever is in charge of that side of things now decide to pay more attention and be more careful...
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    I just had a couple of really lucky/clutch moments in my latest Historic match.

    My opponent got me down to negative life less than a turn after I got my Platinum Angel onto the board. Then they got enough shrines to take out said angel with their Honden of Infinite Rage... the turn after I had played Akroma's Memorial (which mattered since that particular shrine is red, which the Memorial provides protection from)

    I think they ended up getting 9 out of 11 shrines out total, but not all at once.
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    I know love is a core concept of good storytelling, but her sexuality should not be the focus when her definjng traits are planeswalking pyromancer.

    Her relationships to individual creatures should be the topic, but her being a piece of political agendas.

    Tampering with that is about as smart as Rowling adding character traits to her characters.

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    I know love is a core concept of good storytelling, but her sexuality should not be the focus when her definjng traits are planeswalking pyromancer.

    Her relationships to individual creatures should be the topic, but her being a piece of political agendas.

    Tampering with that is about as smart as Rowling adding character traits to her characters.
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    Chandra was as compelling a character when she was daydreaming of Gideon as she was when having weird thoughts about Nissa. The bits with her family on Kaladesh were way more interesting than this 'is she gay / straight / pan" bs that really adds very little to the story, other than a few people clinging on her to be 'represented'.

    Meanwhile, south america is dinoland and nobody seems to care :v

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    And yes, Ixalan is awesome, and so are The Emperor's New Clothes (even though no Inca was ever a llama and Cuzco is anything but jungle) and El Dorado (as horribly wrong as it also is). My point being, a good story is a good story, representation for the sake of it is overrated and can make things worse than they would've otherwise been.
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    Overrated for you, perhaps, but for people who are actually being represented, it can mean the world. And the removal of the representation makes it even worse. The straightwashing of Chandra was the thing that made me no longer care about the story of MTG after following it diligently since Tarkir.

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    I was wondering if anyone would be willing to help me tweak my work in progress 5 color Sisay shrines commander deck. I'd ideally like to bring it down to at most a $200 cost while retaining the theme and idea of the deck.
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    I'm no expert on deck building, but Elspeth, Jace, and O-Kagachi, at least, look a bit weird in the deck. I can kinda see Elspeth for her ult, but in practice, you're almost never going to get that off. Those could probably be replaced with more synergistic, cheaper cards.
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