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2020-10-19, 04:13 AM (ISO 8601)
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Re: Magic the Gathering Thread XXIV: *Slaps Roof* This Thread Can Hold So Many Chand
What do you folks think of this over-the-top custom card I made?
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2020-10-19, 04:32 AM (ISO 8601)
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Rather pointless? You can't really get recurring creature advantage with it, so it's a lot of PITA costs for... not too much benefit? It's a non-interactive Platinum Angel, but it leads to terrible board-states where the burn deck has you at 0, and then is forced to sit there and wait for you to bring them to 0 so the game becomes a draw, not even a win. If you're paying six specific mana colors and given up all the resources to get it out, why have you not won?
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2020-10-19, 05:55 AM (ISO 8601)
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Unplayable garbage. If it were to be printed, it'd be a 0.25c mythic.
Colorless is not a color so even 'any color' fixers would suck because you need a colorless source. Then to get it on the GY. Then even more requirements for a... 6/6 flying trampler that doesnt let you win. It doesnt have protection or indestructible so board damage and board wipes still kill it, plus you nuke your own board so you end up eating a sacrifice.
It's a non-interactive Platinum Angel, but it leads to terrible board-states where the burn deck has you at 0, and then is forced to sit there and wait for you to bring them to 0 so the game becomes a draw, not even a win
A blood moon makes it uncastable though so good luck even getting there.
If you're paying six specific mana colors and given up all the resources to get it out, why have you not won?Last edited by LansXero; 2020-10-19 at 06:00 AM.
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2020-10-19, 05:14 PM (ISO 8601)
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I think it's less that, and more that WotC has only one tool to deal with power level problems. If you look at something like Hearthstone or Runeterra, rebalancing is actually even more prevalent than it is in Magic. Frankly, almost every card that's been banned would have been fine with minor balance tweaks.
What they need to do is stop pushing Green so much more than the rest of the format. Like, what's the best White card in Standard right now? Hell, what's the best Red, Blue, or Black card? If you're going to put out a ramp deck that can drop Ugin as fast as Tron does, you need to put out a Burn deck that's as effective as Modern Burn.
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2020-10-19, 05:18 PM (ISO 8601)
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Re: Magic the Gathering Thread XXIV: *Slaps Roof* This Thread Can Hold So Many Chand
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2020-10-19, 05:35 PM (ISO 8601)
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Re: Magic the Gathering Thread XXIV: *Slaps Roof* This Thread Can Hold So Many Chand
2005-2011: No Standard bannings until Jace; Jace and Stoneforge getting banned was Big News, since it was the first ban after the dreaded days of Affinity.
2011-2017: No Standard bannings until a few cards got too prevalent.
If you take the 12-ish year period that only had one banning in its middle, it's pretty clear that Magic has managed.
And then:
2017: 4 bannings
2018: 4 bannings
2019: 4 bannings plus an Arena ban
2020: 10 bannings.
Seriously.
Something has gone horribly, horribly starting in Eldritch Moon and it's only accelerated.
I will not accept any defenses for Magic; this is inexcusable.
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2020-10-19, 06:10 PM (ISO 8601)
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2020-10-20, 12:19 AM (ISO 8601)
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If they're going to print ridiculously underpriced creatures and planeswalkers you'd think they'd at least reprint Lightning Bolt or something.
I keep thinking of the story Mark Rosewater told about how he got pulled into the office and yelled at when they made Urza's Block and it turned out to have enough broken cards to completely demolish competitive play. Has there so far been any acknowledgment on the part of Wizards that the current situation is an unmitigated dumpster fire?This signature is boring. The stuff I write might not be. Warning: Ponies.
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2020-10-20, 12:29 AM (ISO 8601)
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2020-10-23, 03:02 PM (ISO 8601)
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2020-10-25, 05:10 PM (ISO 8601)
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Spoiler: Unlikely Typelines
- Legendary Creature - Eldrazi Praetor
- Legendary Planeswalker - Fblthp
- Creature - Cleric Druid Shaman Warlock Wizard
- Instant - Adventure Trap
- Tribal Sorcery - Spirit Arcane
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2020-10-26, 12:45 PM (ISO 8601)
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I now definitively want an instant - adventure trap.
Will probably not happen because it is made out of elements from two different blocs.
I believe Fblthp did travel through the planes(against its own will) so according to the completely absurd modern lore that summoning is no longer a thing (and that you instead make duplicates which makes even less sense that anyone can duplicate heralds of the elzadri just like that) it is possibly planeswalker.Last edited by noob; 2020-10-26 at 01:01 PM.
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2020-10-26, 12:59 PM (ISO 8601)
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A handful of Commander Legend cards have been revealed and I like a lot of them but also all of it kind of palls in comparision to the fact that we now have the black mana angel from Innistrad. Rip in piece Liesa, you didn't deserve to get killed by Avacyn.
Fbltph has not been to different planes, and the mechanics of summoning legendary creatures as it pertains to the actual lore has never really made sense.Last edited by LaZodiac; 2020-10-26 at 01:00 PM.
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2020-10-26, 01:07 PM (ISO 8601)
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2020-10-26, 01:17 PM (ISO 8601)
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2020-10-26, 01:20 PM (ISO 8601)
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Totally Lost, like all bounce or unsummon spells, have very... unclear flavour a lot of the time.
The flavour of Totally Lost is that since Ravnica is a plane wide city, it is VERY easy to get lost. This is just enforcing that upon someone.
Given Fbltph is as small as like, a baby child, and how easy it is for an adult human to get lost in a human sized city, a small baby getting lost in a plane sized super city is very much "totally lost".Last edited by LaZodiac; 2020-10-26 at 01:21 PM.
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2020-10-26, 02:19 PM (ISO 8601)
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Re: Magic the Gathering Thread XXIV: *Slaps Roof* This Thread Can Hold So Many Chand
I know this is pretty much inconsequential, but all the way back when I first started playing, I kinda thought the “game lore” would have been better served if creatures were represented as being hired or living off the lands under your control providing you mana. While summoning would be best represented by sorcerers that created tokens or something.
It always seemed better to me to create a game where you’re gathering actual allies that will fight for you, rather than some weird method where you pluck them from whatever they were doing and forcing them to do your bidding.
Of course that creates other strangeness where you can get Phyrexians fighting alongside the people they’re trying to consume. So it was not at all a perfect explanation either.
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2020-10-26, 06:57 PM (ISO 8601)
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I mean in the actual lore as presented for the characters in universe, after the mending anyway, it is mostly this. Garruk doesn't summon beasts, he honks and then an animal nearby is like "ah, the call" and comes to help. Liliana doesn't make zombies, she finds corpses and magics em up. Jace makes his illusions of course, but anything else he actually has to like, find.
So it works the way you want, so you can just flavour it that way in your head if you want cause it'll be accurate (mostly)! Unless you're Elspeth she actually straight up summons soldier tokens made of light, or if you're Kiora who summons legit copies of sea creatures she's bonded with, but they're like the two outliers here. They're the only modern planswalkers to like, Summon A Man in the modern lore.
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2020-10-26, 07:37 PM (ISO 8601)
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2020-10-27, 10:07 AM (ISO 8601)
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Shouldn't this be WUBRG order? So, Creature - Cleric Wizard Warlock Shaman Druid
Also, to the "are they summoned or hired" question, I believe the implication is "a little bit of both". And yes, either way the Legend Rule doesn't make sense if you think about it. At the same time, if you don't think about it, it FEELS like it makes a lot of sense, so it sort of works.
Also, as with all pre-Legends creatures that seem like they have proper-noun names, Uncle Istvan is not actually a single person, but a Dominarian slang term for a type of person, in this case a murderous hermit. Anyone who goes crazy, kills a bunch of people, and then runs for the hills may be accurately referred to as Uncle Istvan. For example:
"Did you hear about the young Lady Vess?"
"Yeah, apparently she murdered and zombified her entire family and all of their household staff, then disappeared."
"It's such a shame to see another Uncle Istvan. Especially one so young."
"And her training as a healer had been going so well, too."
"Well, I think that could have been part of it. They say the stress of med school does strange things to your head."
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2020-10-27, 11:02 AM (ISO 8601)
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2020-10-27, 12:22 PM (ISO 8601)
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2020-10-27, 01:00 PM (ISO 8601)
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I always thought creatures were mana constructs shaped by a planeswalker's memories. Or was that in Force of Will? Anyways I remember that being the idea behind different versions of a Legend not blowing up, its based off what the planeswalker knew / remembered off them
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2020-10-27, 01:05 PM (ISO 8601)
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The only time a planeswalker has canonically "summoned" a legendary creature, in modern lore, is Kiora being like "hey Lorthos come help!" and then getting him killed because god damnit Kiora. Which is the standard "not actually magically creating just calling them up" thing.
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2020-10-27, 01:35 PM (ISO 8601)
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Huh, neat. A bit odd creatures can still be counterspelled then, but whatever, gameplay/story segregation and all that.
Speaking of the modern story, how is it? I remember enjoying them for what they were back in the day. I still remember reading about Urza and Gerard's temptation and defeat with Yawgmoth all those years ago, so something stuck with me. And truth be told, my friends still occasionally make reference to Squee "aiming for da butts."
From my quick glance over the story it seems a lot more Planeswalker focused. But this Gideon guy seems alright. A planeswalker that doesn't spend his time being a vague wizard stereotype and instead punches people. That's a planeswalker I can respect. Same with the Garruk guy, but he seems more like an idiot brute as far as I can tell.
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2020-10-27, 02:42 PM (ISO 8601)
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It's complicated, though thank you for giving me a frame of reference.
So, three entire major story arcs and shifts in storytelling have come and gone in the time since you've been here. The most modern stories are now firmly in the okay category after a brief period of "these two books set the fandom on fire" which were proceeded by divisive but ultimately very appreciated and very good web fiction that started in Tarkir block.
Gideon is a real good and strong boy he's also dead sorry. Garruk is not an idiot actually and is currently watching over these two dumbass teens like a big uncle, now that he is no longer cursed with evil.Last edited by LaZodiac; 2020-10-27 at 02:45 PM.
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2020-10-28, 01:11 AM (ISO 8601)
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Garruk was my favorite planeswalker before the whole chain veil thing. Mechanics wise, he was just the best and most fun of the Lorwyn 5. Story-wise, he's got a sympathetic and grounded past, and the whole 'hunt down and bond with beasts' thing made him seem like a generally cool dude. Man, eight years ago, I was devastated when he couldn't follow up on the Cursemute, 'cause who was going to be the Green Planeswalker without him? Nissa? The elf supremacist who willingly set the Eldrazi free, because "oh they're not going to eat my face", whose signature mechanics all revolved around Elf tribal? Man, that was just unthinkable.
Plus, even when his curse got bad, he was the one guy who could get Jace Beleran to shove it.
...It took eleven years to resolve that plot point. Man, I went from high school through college and got a job and a mortgage waiting for this quest to end, and it comes when Magic is at its lowest point since Combo Winter and I haven't bought cards since Aether Revolt.Last edited by Fable Wright; 2020-10-28 at 01:12 AM.
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2020-10-28, 10:29 AM (ISO 8601)
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