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Re: [3.5] Favorite Obscure Prc, Feat, Spell etc.
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2019-08-05, 04:49 PM (ISO 8601)
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Re: [3.5] Favorite Obscure Prc, Feat, Spell etc.
Kelanen and Sixin, Greyhawk deities, both have war and travel domains. Tem-Et-Nu or Gilgamesh from Sandstorm.
Also, worshipping the Asgardian, Olympian or Pharonic pantheons in Deities in Demigods.
There's a few others, too.My winning competition entries: Kinvig Arrumskor | The Great Pumpkinhead | Wynfrith d'Acker
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2019-08-05, 08:54 PM (ISO 8601)
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Re: [3.5] Favorite Obscure Prc, Feat, Spell etc.
If his god happens to have the Time domain as well, it could literally be a warrior devoted to fighting a Time War, which by definition is everywhere and everywhen at once; your cleric is a warrior assigned to this particular space of time and space and gets his teleport-hopping powers in order to go about smashing threats to causality and/or reality.
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2019-08-06, 12:31 AM (ISO 8601)
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I don't think Ordained Champion can be CG (which my wood elf soulborn/paladin of freedom would be).
But for +16 BAB I could go for Soulborn 2/Paladin of Freedom 3/Ranger 2/Divine Crusader 8/Wayfarer Guide 3/Ranger 2.
Well, it could never (John) hurt!
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2019-08-06, 12:39 AM (ISO 8601)
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Re: [3.5] Favorite Obscure Prc, Feat, Spell etc.
IIRC Ordained Champion has an adaptation section that might help.
Divine Crusader has a +7 BAB requirement doesn't it? Makes it tricky.
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2019-08-06, 12:47 AM (ISO 8601)
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2019-08-06, 01:18 AM (ISO 8601)
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2019-08-06, 01:38 AM (ISO 8601)
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P.S. sorry everyone, I didn't mean to turn this thread into "make suggestions about Particle_Man's character", I just liked where it was going, it piqued my interest!
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2019-08-11, 12:00 AM (ISO 8601)
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Re: [3.5] Favorite Obscure Prc, Feat, Spell etc.
Got a few personally, classwise.
Mountebank (Dragon Compendium): Before they made a prestige class with this name in the Complete Scoundrel book, the Mountebank was arguably the OG warlock. It isn't really powerful (has a lot of mind-affecting abilities, which can be situational), but it is very intriguing as a servant of an evil power. Also, it has a bit of flavor built in. Give it a look if you're looking for an alternative to Warlock (or something quirky to gestalt with it, now that I think about it...)
Candle Caster: Someone mentioned this, but I wanted to again. I didn't really give it a lot of thought for a while, but I realized that you could use it as an effective grenade. Light a wick, throw the candle, kaboom. Also, it's notable because it's one of the few examples of an iconic character in a prestige class - Mialee was the original Candle Caster artwork. Other characters may have gotten such boosts, but I've not found one in the books (though Redgar is a binder, per the cover of Tome of Magic...)
-Sidenote that fits as an obscure theory: If you take all appearances of the iconic characters and consider them all canon as part of a long story, you could argue that Mialee is the most powerful. Not only does she have a prestige class AND reaches epic levels as a wizard besides that, she is literally the only character in the game portrayed as a Gestalt character, not once but thrice. If you assume she hit all 20 levels in each class, and was using wizard and candlecaster to fill in the other side, she arguably ends up a (Wizard 50/Candlecaster 10)//(Fighter 20/Rogue 20/Ranger 20).
Hatamoto and Landed Samurai (Way of the Daimyo, Rokugan): This is 3rd party Rokugan material, but it's weird. The two prestige classes represent social positions, and only go for three levels. The weirdest thing, though, is that in theory you can take them by level 2. Landed Samurai requires a Charisma of 11 and Void Use, meaning the only thing keeping it from being taken level 1 is that class choice comes before Feat choice technically (but then again, race choice comes earlier, so you could take your human feat as Void Use). Hatamoto simply requires points of Station, a mechanic in the book (which is designed to simulate leaders and officials of various sorts). In theory, someone could obtain that station at level one and become a Hatamoto at level 2 (inadvisable, since a hatamoto is an adviser and should be experienced, but possible). They aren't great (except for being part of the subsystems introduced in that book) but I like the idea that you could potentially just take a level of samurai and then jump into running a small parcel of land because you're slightly better at speaking than average (and not even significantly) and have a channel to the Void (which sometimes is even given for free in a campaign), or that a young adult who just graduated the equivalent of high school can be granted the position as the local lord's right hand man.
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2019-08-11, 02:37 AM (ISO 8601)
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Re: [3.5] Favorite Obscure Prc, Feat, Spell etc.
Let's go with a monster; haven't seen one of those in this thread for a while:
Dream Vestiges are the result of a city's worth of people becoming trapped while dreaming, banding together, and returning hungry for... well, everything. Fans of the Wheel of Time series will recognize the influence of Mashadar in its design and powers (though honestly, as a CR 16 incorporeal undead with no-save ability damage and the ability to absolutely consume its prey... it's still less powerful and intimidating than Mashadar. More intelligent, though).
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2019-08-11, 04:32 PM (ISO 8601)
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Re: [3.5] Favorite Obscure Prc, Feat, Spell etc.
One monster I like is The Lost from magic of incarnum. A template that happens when an incarnum storm hits, leaving its victims basically soulless and consumed with one of four emotions. Reminds me of what happened to some people in Robin Hobb’s Assassin trilogy.
Just to give a coda to this: Wood Elf Soulborn 2 (with both elf substitution levels)/Paladin of Freedom 3/Ranger 2 (fe: undead, twf (mostly unused))/Divine Crusader 5 (of Sehanine Moonbow)/Ranger 1/Horizon Walker 7 (hills, plains, underground, desert, forest, aligned, and shifting). I like being immune to blasphemy. Feats likely weapon focus quarterstaff (god’s favoured weapon), power attack, martial study (counter charge), martial stance (step of the wind), melee weapon mastery (bludgeoning), dimensional jaunt, and crushing strike. Usually going for spot and listen. Travel Domain. Usually go with heavy armour and using quarterstaff as a two handed weapon. And once I get dimension door once every four rounds, I can leave the divine crusader spell in place and keep dimensional jaunt up all day long too!
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2019-08-11, 09:06 PM (ISO 8601)
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Re: [3.5] Favorite Obscure Prc, Feat, Spell etc.
Not sure if it's been mentioned yet but mine is probably the Mercurial Strike feat from Dragon Compendium.
It says the following:
MERCURIAL STRIKE [GENERAL]
With a single motion, you draw your weapon and slash
at an opponent.
Prerequisite: Quick Draw, base attack bonus +5.
Benefit: Any time an opponent provokes an attack
of opportunity from you but you are unarmed, you
may draw a melee weapon and make your attack
of opportunity with it. The target of your attack of
opportunity is caught flat-footed for that attack.
Author: Mike Mearls and Jeff Quick. Source: #310.
...Until you really sit down and read it and realize that this feat as written doesn't actually do anything.
In order for someone to provoke an attack of opportunity from you, they have to take a distracting action while they are within an area that you threaten. You only threaten squares when you are armed with a weapon. However in order to be permitted to draw a weapon as part of your attack of opportunity, it must be provoked when you are unarmed, which is impossible.
The DM and I agreed to essentially just house-rule it as, "Yeah screw it, it does what the designers clearly wanted it to do."Resident Mad Scientist...
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2019-08-11, 09:09 PM (ISO 8601)
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Re: [3.5] Favorite Obscure Prc, Feat, Spell etc.
Why is this asking for someone to be without an arm ( unarmed ), draw the ground ( improvised melee weapon ), and attack with the ground as the attack of opportunity?
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2019-08-11, 09:10 PM (ISO 8601)
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2019-08-12, 03:53 AM (ISO 8601)
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You should check out the latest Junkyard Wars. One of the entries is an Iaijutsu Focus/stealth build, that appears to be actually named after the Mercurial Strike feat.
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2019-08-12, 07:22 AM (ISO 8601)
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Re: [3.5] Favorite Obscure Prc, Feat, Spell etc.
See this came up because the character in question has levels in Unarmed Swordsage and both of those have the same problem.
You are considered armed when unarmed if you have Improved Unarmed Strike, and you must be unarmed when the attack is provoked in order to benefit from Mercurial Strike.
In order for the feat to do what the designers wanted it would have to be worded like this:
Benefit: When you take this feat, choose one weapon that you are proficient with. As long as you are carrying the chosen weapon, you are considered to be threatening any area within reach as though you were wielding it. Whenever an opponent provokes an attack of opportunity and the weapon is not drawn, you can draw the chosen weapon as part of the attack. The enemy is considered flat-footed for this attack of opportunity.Resident Mad Scientist...
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2019-08-12, 03:13 PM (ISO 8601)
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Re: [3.5] Favorite Obscure Prc, Feat, Spell etc.
I checked Dragon Compendium errata, and this wasn't addressed.
To me, the most reasonable course would be to allow the feat to function when unarmed, even without IUS or armor spikes etc.
Benefit: Any time an opponent would provoke an attack of opportunity from you if you were armed, but you are unarmed, you may draw a melee weapon and make your attack of opportunity with it. The target of your attack of opportunity is caught flat-footed for that attack.My winning competition entries: Kinvig Arrumskor | The Great Pumpkinhead | Wynfrith d'Acker
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2019-08-12, 04:26 PM (ISO 8601)
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2019-08-12, 05:08 PM (ISO 8601)
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My winning competition entries: Kinvig Arrumskor | The Great Pumpkinhead | Wynfrith d'Acker
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2019-08-12, 05:12 PM (ISO 8601)
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Re: [3.5] Favorite Obscure Prc, Feat, Spell etc.
Last edited by PoeticallyPsyco; 2019-08-12 at 05:13 PM.
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2019-08-14, 07:55 PM (ISO 8601)
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Re: [3.5] Favorite Obscure Prc, Feat, Spell etc.
Naturally. I'm mostly pointing out how excessively wordy and complex this feat would actually need to be in order to do what Mearls and Quick wanted it to do.
I actually did find one scenario in which the feat would function as written:
The Feigned Opening maneuver in the Setting Sun school in the Tome of Battle says that whenever an opponent takes an attack of opportunity against you, you can activate the maneuver and if their attack fails to hit you they immediately provoke an attack of opportunity from you. Since there are otherwise zero conditions or requirements for this maneuver, you could run through the enemy's threatened area with your weapon sheathed, use this maneuver and (if they miss) cause them to provoke an attack of opportunity while you are unarmed. This would then trigger Mercurial Strike, allowing you to draw your weapon for the attack and catch the enemy flat-footed.
This setup makes Feigned Opening a middling (if risky) choice for an IF build.Resident Mad Scientist...
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2019-08-14, 10:37 PM (ISO 8601)
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Re: [3.5] Favorite Obscure Prc, Feat, Spell etc.
That's a good one, but Robilar's Gambit (only requires an opponent "striking at you", no requirement for threatening them) and Karmic Strike (they have to hit you with a melee or melee touch attack; also no requirement for threatening the square they're in) are easier to pull off consistently. Though either one requires more build investment than taking a single maneuver if you're already taking a Setting Sun class. Also, all three options are admittedly pretty risky unless you've got a lot of extra damage going on (or some other riders on your attacks, like tripping).
Hmm, actually, would combining Mercurial Strike and Defensive Throw (make a trip attack against an opponent who misses you) let you add your Iaijutsu Focus damage to the touch attack?
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2019-08-15, 04:10 PM (ISO 8601)
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Mask of lies was updated in Magic Item Compendium to only give you three daily charges of disguise self. This was a huge power boost, of course, since the price was slashed to 4,500 gp (down from 17,000 gp) in the process.
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2019-08-15, 10:10 PM (ISO 8601)
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Props again for the mountebank. I actually made a fix for it, mostly because I hated the fact it's capstone was "beg the DM or be removed from play harder than risen martyr." The concept was really cool and was like a sneaky warlock at base.