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2019-07-30, 01:13 PM (ISO 8601)
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Re: OOTS #1172 - The Discussion Thread
Even then, from what I understand, as it originated as either speaking for the Royal Family (who would of COURSE agree with the monarch about everything), or the Monarch and God for all that extra Divine Right of Kings stuff, depending on who you ask. So you're still claiming to speak for SOMEONE else using the Royal We.
"Besides, you know the saying: Kill one, and you are a murderer. Kill millions, and you are a conqueror. Kill them all, and you are a god." -- Fishman
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2019-07-30, 01:14 PM (ISO 8601)
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Re: OOTS #1172 - The Discussion Thread
Partially. I also read James Fallows. Not because of his flying articles but because of his international poltiics (of which I will say no more, because board rules), but he does like flying, so he was all over the 737 Max crash. When he and Wendover pretty much agreed on all points, I took at as close enough to the truth.
Yes, I'm aware that there is a fallacy in there where Wendover might have sourced Fallows too (not the other way round, Fallows was out first).
ETA: I didn't quote either because I'm at work, and youtube and twitter searching is less-than-easy and NSFW.
But consider them both cited as the basis for my position
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2019-07-30, 01:17 PM (ISO 8601)
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Re: OOTS #1172 - The Discussion Thread
Each one of us, alone, is but a drop in the sea
Our powers pale compared with the great heroes
Our battles don’t hit theheadlines or shake the earth
But they are few, can’t be everywhere, and we, many
So, when the world or universe needs saving, they come
But when people needs saving, we are the ones to appear
We're underdogs, but we rise up to the challenge to be heroes.
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2019-07-30, 01:20 PM (ISO 8601)
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Re: OOTS #1172 - The Discussion Thread
Cuthalion's art is the prettiest art of all the art. Like my avatar.
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2019-07-30, 01:20 PM (ISO 8601)
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Re: OOTS #1172 - The Discussion Thread
Ostensibly, the ban here in Oregon was originally put in place in 1951 over fears of untrained people spilling fuel. I suspect the actual motivation was existing gas stations wanting to protect their profit margins from then-newfangled self-service stations. And regardless, that was almost seventy years ago; it's picked up a lot of cultural inertia.
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2019-07-30, 01:21 PM (ISO 8601)
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"Besides, you know the saying: Kill one, and you are a murderer. Kill millions, and you are a conqueror. Kill them all, and you are a god." -- Fishman
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2019-07-30, 01:24 PM (ISO 8601)
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Avatar by linklele. How Teleport Worksa. Malifice (paraphrased):
Rulings are not 'House Rules.' Rulings are a DM doing what DMs are supposed to do.
b. greenstone (paraphrased):
Agency means that they {players} control their character's actions; you control the world's reactions to the character's actions.
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2019-07-30, 01:25 PM (ISO 8601)
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Re: OOTS #1172 - The Discussion Thread
I realise this has nothing to do with AI or whether new Star Wars films are any good, but have we had a translation of the blue runes? It looks like 'follow the law', if I was to guess.
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2019-07-30, 01:36 PM (ISO 8601)
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Re: OOTS #1172 - The Discussion Thread
Random thought -
Would casting Dispell on the priest who cast the "summon proxy" call of the meeting?
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2019-07-30, 01:39 PM (ISO 8601)
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2019-07-30, 01:39 PM (ISO 8601)
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Re: OOTS #1172 - The Discussion Thread
They are Allegedly tampering with the vote. A full investigation will take place later. We don't want to do things out of turn.
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Look, I'm pretty sure I haven't been dominated by vampires. My good buddy Vlad told me so, and I believe him.
edit: as someone who sells gas station parts in Colorado. I'm very positive some people shouldn't pump their own gas. Those people should also not be driving at all. You wouldn't believe how much I have to charge people to replace hoses and nozzles when people drive off.Last edited by Ornithologist; 2019-07-30 at 01:42 PM.
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Originally Posted by The Giant
Belkar's Death Countdown best guess: 31/49 days used before Belkar is gone forever more! - updated to morning at 1190!
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2019-07-30, 01:41 PM (ISO 8601)
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2019-07-30, 01:42 PM (ISO 8601)
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Three key root causes, known because a few crews were able to deal with a failure without crashing. (Read up on the Lion Air crash for details).
1. AoA signal to MCAS trigger architecture (short version "single point of failure" but there is still some detail to become public) The flight regime that the MCAS was suppsed to handle was an extreme corner case that was not expected to be seen in normal operaions. Fur sure not on take off.
2. the choice to make the AoA signal/issue alert optional.
3. the "cost savings" having to do with pilot traning not needed, which led to "if this {new} bit goes pear shaped, here is our procedure for handling it" not being known and trained for all crews. <--- That IMO (due to a number of years of flying, etc) is the real black mark for the FAA, Boeing, and the companies operating those aircraft. That was the collective head in the sand bit (or the heads up their back sides bit) that led to some crews being able to sort it out, and some not. (More or less a few crews guessed correctly)
The pilots are the last line of defense. If the system hangs them out to dry with an aircraft feature that operates a primary flight control, such that they have to ask "what is it doing?" and honestly not know the answer ... I'll stop there ... because it upsets me a lot. 60+ years of "lessons learned" by tragic accidents ... no, they can't say "we didn't know better." The aggregate system knows/knew better, and looked away. (I better stop ...)
Heh, hope this works.
I read the Atlantic every month. Fallows is not an aviation professional, but he is a good writer. I would not use him as a primary source for anything technical. But he (IMO) did the public a service with a few of his articles where he discussed with some pilots who had filed "Eh, what's it doing?" reports via tha NASA (and IIRC FAA?) safety reporting systems. That article was a nice bit of counter balance to some of the garbage that was being repeated through the media that I will not further comment on.
In that respect, I'm glad that his passion for flying/aviation moved him to do that.
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Single points of failure is something that both Durkon's plan, and Gontor's plan, do not suffer from. They each have some back up plans to their basic plans.Last edited by KorvinStarmast; 2019-07-30 at 01:48 PM.
Avatar by linklele. How Teleport Worksa. Malifice (paraphrased):
Rulings are not 'House Rules.' Rulings are a DM doing what DMs are supposed to do.
b. greenstone (paraphrased):
Agency means that they {players} control their character's actions; you control the world's reactions to the character's actions.
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2019-07-30, 01:42 PM (ISO 8601)
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Originally Posted by The Giant
Belkar's Death Countdown best guess: 31/49 days used before Belkar is gone forever more! - updated to morning at 1190!
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2019-07-30, 01:47 PM (ISO 8601)
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Cuthalion's art is the prettiest art of all the art. Like my avatar.
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2019-07-30, 01:48 PM (ISO 8601)
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Re: OOTS #1172 - The Discussion Thread
It's probably already been said, so I'll go ahead and say it anyways:
"...But I would not feel so all alone,
Everybody must get stoned...""Character is what you are in the dark." - D.L. Moody
Life's too short to be ashamed of how you were born.
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2019-07-30, 01:50 PM (ISO 8601)
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I'm not claiming to understand the entire process that went into that design decision. I'm just saying it seems crazy to me that their design process allowed for the kind of changes that were made, to be made, without additional oversight and review required for approval. I believe your explanation for why those decisions were made, I was just saying I found it crazy that their process and regulatory bodies both allowed the specific system through without additional oversight.
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2019-07-30, 01:51 PM (ISO 8601)
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Re: OOTS #1172 - The Discussion Thread
I suspect that something will come through the hole that was just made in the ceiling.
Well, something other than sunlight and air.
Not sure what it's going to be, but I have a feeling that the purpose of the hole is for entry, rather than destruction.
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2019-07-30, 01:59 PM (ISO 8601)
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Re: OOTS #1172 - The Discussion Thread
If you want to learn more (insert Starship Troopers gif here), I recommend watching the video from Wendover productions linked earlier by GreatWyrmGold. As KorvinStarmast says (of Fallows, but it applies to both) it's a reporter's take on the issue. But it matches everything I have read from actual experts, so I consider it about as good a layman's explanation is going to be.
I'd say more about the regulatory process that should've stopped it and didn't, but politics.
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2019-07-30, 02:12 PM (ISO 8601)
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Huh, didn't know that. I guess that's one way to bolster the number of minimum-wage jobs nobody with other options wants in your state...can't think of any other reason to make self-serve illegal.
And I'm surprised nobody's realized that we're already transitioning to self-driving cars. All those new 'safety systems' are just turning more of the driving over to the computer because humans can't be trusted to not screw it up.
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2019-07-30, 02:14 PM (ISO 8601)
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It’s as foolish to say “the 737 was built this way for this one reason” as it is to say “car crashes mostly happen for this one reason” or “dwarven councils end the world for one reason”.
So yeah, the planes did crash because the software was hooked to one sensor. That really is the real reason. They also crashed because the FAA certification process was compromised. That really is the real reason too! They also crashed because Boeing wanted to compete with airbus fuel efficiency in the most profitable way, and that drove them to make an immense mistake. That’s also the real reason!
(You can even say “they crashed because of the failures of capitalism”, but at that point you’re so far away from an actual actionable problem that I can’t see how it’s useful to say that.)
Why are the dwarves likely to end the world without outside intervention? Is it because of the vampires? Or is it because of the rules of the meeting? Or is it because of the non-confrontational psychology that dominates any group of people who fear ostracism?
It’s all those reasons at the same time!Last edited by Dion; 2019-07-30 at 02:18 PM.
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2019-07-30, 02:33 PM (ISO 8601)
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I'd just like to point out that saying that something unsupported is the case unless someone else can prove that it is not is an utter failure of logic. - Kish