OOTS #1173 - The Discussion Thread

[AutomatedTeller]

Huh. that is not the resolution I expected.

So, what happens when the table is fixed? Do the elders who were dominated and who will presumably no longer be dominated then get to revote?

Or, maybe, this just gives the Order enough time to deal with the last gate, cause it'll take 10 days to fix the table, at which time the vote goes through?

[Svata]

OTOH, the rule explicitly states "unbroken". Something which has been broken, even if subsequently fixed, could possibly still not count as "unbroken" if you define it as "never broken" rather than "not currently broken" ;)

Unbroken could also mean "un-broken" as in "something undid the breaking of it" They broke it. Now they un-break it and it will have been unbroken.

[Reboot]

Unbroken could also mean "un-broken" as in "something undid the breaking of it" They broke it. Now they un-break it and it will have been unbroken.

That would require the table to have been broken & mended before they ever held a meeting around it!

[Lord Torath]

On this side of the pond (i.e. in the USA) scones are made from bread dough deep fried in hot oil. Excellent when slathered in honey-butter. Or cinnamon-honey-butter.

Dang it, now I'm hungry!

[GregTD]

So the godsmoot is rendered moot? Can't someone just cast a spell to fix the table?

A GodsMoot that doesn't come to a decision is a GodsMoot that isn't destroying the world.

Works for the Order of the Stick

[JT]

Who the heck prepares Make Whole?

Somebody who used to dig a lot, but can’t spell.

[Elenna]

Sigdi: the literal best.

[Kantaki]

Clearly the Council has to vote wether a mended table counts as „unbroken”.
For which they need a new table.
So, it doesn't matter I guess?

[KorvinStarmast]

No, the issue is Durkon's letter claims his mother and grandfather have no idea what's happening to him. Which is false, if he's talking to her every week

... after he reached 7th level. Sending in 3.5e is a 4th level spell. (though it is/was a third level spell in some other editions)

[Svata]

That would require the table to have been broken & mended before they ever held a meeting around it!

Nothing suggests it wasn't

[GregTD]

Except the rules don't say "unbroken by the strictest defintion." It says "unbroken."

Really? You know every word in the rules?

Could you write them out for us? Because I'm looking at them, and there's a whole bunch of words i can't see

[Lord Torath]

So, what happens when the table is fixed? Do the elders who were dominated and who will presumably no longer be dominated then get to revote?

I suspect that only the members who have not yet voted get to cast their votes once the meeting is reconvened. That includes a fair number of the never-dominated members, and the one dominated member whose vote was interrupted. Presumably his vote changing from "ye-" to "No!" will give victory to the "Don't Destroy the World" side.

[GregTD]

It wasn't decades, at the time that the OotS started, Durkon was much lower level, 4 sendings at once is a high level cleric's action. Per class and level geekery, Durkon was level 8 at comic's start. Which was less than 2 years ago in comic, and much closer to back at Azure City. At that point sending was one of his highest level spells.

Assuming that he was leveling while adventuring with Roy, he'd almost certainly been able to cast sending for only a short time when the comic started.

While I’d never question yer worshipfulness’s judgment, I imagine that the manner in which I wiz asked to leave so suddenly might’ve caused them to wonder what happen’d ta me for all these years.”

If he was Level 8 at the start of the comic, then he had 2 fourth level spells + any wisdom bonus, for a while.

I have to believe that the first day he was resting up after making 7th level, he sent a Sending to his Ma, to let her know he was alive. And that they continued, until he had given her the whole story

[Kantaki]

Really? You know every word in the rules?

Could you write them out for us? Because I'm looking at them, and there's a whole bunch of words i can't see

As far as I can tell the interrupted section after the table gets specified as „unbroken” pertains its size, not the unbroken-ness.

Edit:

Votes shall take place a table fashioned from the corpse of [a oak] tree. The table shall be of one (1) piece, unbroken and bearing suffi[cent] circumference to permit one (1) representative of each currently ext[ant clan] to stand before it simultaneously. No vote shall be completed in any [halls that]fail to meet these requirements.

[Brackets] are my guesses for the missing sections.

[ATHATH]

Doesn't Elan have mending? I bet they defeat the vampires and then simply mend the table so the council can resume.

He can't cast it inside of the barrier without being zotted, no?

[Zhorn]

*unzot*

heh. Gotta love those little details to the sound effects

[2.5 cats]

Sorry if someone commented on this upthread, but (unless it's an archaic spelling I'm unaware of), there appears to be a typo on page 2, panel 7, with all the rules text.

In the top paragraph, which we only partially see, it reads "possiblt" rather than "possible".

[Fyraltari]

While I’d never question yer worshipfulness’s judgment, I imagine that the manner in which I wiz asked to leave so suddenly might’ve caused them to wonder what happen’d ta me for all these years.”

If he was Level 8 at the start of the comic, then he had 2 fourth level spells + any wisdom bonus, for a while.

I have to believe that the first day he was resting up after making 7th level, he sent a Sending to his Ma, to let her know he was alive. And that they continued, until he had given her the whole story

The five of us never left our cells.

While I doubt that was the intent at the time the letter was written, I can see Durkon carefully choosing his words to make Hurak believe he never had any contact with his family, lest Hurak throws them out too.

After all, it's true that they wondered what happened to him during all hese years he didn't have Sending. And he would like to see his grandfather again, alas he is dead.

[DavidSh]

He can't cast it inside of the barrier without being zotted, no?

Depends on whether the corpse of a dead tree counts as a creature.

[Ortho]

There's a typo in the first paragraph of the rules text: "At the earliest possiblt convenience."

Sorry or someone commented on this upthread, but (unless it's an archaic spelling I'm unaware of), there appears to be a typo on page 2, panel 7, with all the rules text.

In the top paragraph, which we only partially see, it reads "possiblt" rather than "possible".

Dangit, ninja'd.

[Schroeswald]

There's a typo in the first paragraph of the rules text: "At the earliest possiblt convenience."

No it isn't, possiblt is an obscure word that refers to the god of buildings, meaning that it is somehow about Posyblit the Egyptian god (who just so happens to be a short child, almost like a dwarf).

[Kashem]

Second theory: Durkon hits the ceiling and collapses it, but all of the Vamps have already voted. However, the vote becomes invalid since it must take place inside the council chambers, and the council chambers no longer exist, or at least are no longer "inside".

Dude, I CALLED it. I wasn't quite there on the council chambers collapsing, but nailed it on "The chambers is no longer suitable to hold a vote"!

[Nazzo, the 102nd]

I just noticed this: the blue "light" that is all over the chamber is all but gone as soon as Dvalin's cleric is "unzotted". Compare the color of the Council Speaker two panels before. It seems that the petrification effect no longer applies now. The lack of the blue barrier in the door behind Durkon also shows this.

[Fyraltari]

I just noticed this: the blue "light" that is all over the chamber is all but gone as soon as Dvalin's cleric is "unzotted". Compare the color of the Council Speaker two panels before. It seems that the petrification effect no longer applies now. The lack of the blue barrier in the door behind Durkon also shows this.

Oh, good catch, I hope That Logann and the others can come quick, because I'm not sure Sigdi can deal with The Exaargh by her lonesome.

[Rogar Demonblud]

And this is how you use Knowledge: bureaucracy to win.

Also, the Order just needs to dust whichever vampire Dominated the last voter, and suddenly they can vote freely.

Or just go solve the Gates problem and have Dvalin say "You know what, proposal withdrawn. New business: I open the floor for suggestions on upgrading security."

[Ridureyu]

OKay okay, let me try my hand on this. So, if I were unreasonably pessimistic and banked all my self-image on the bad guys winning (so i could be "right), my prediction would be:

Round 1: The vampire dominates everybody with ease.
Round 2: The vampire casts Mending on the table.
Round 3: Evil wins, good dies, lots of people go "I told you so!" on the forum. The comic ends in an unsatisfactory manner.
Round 4: Chaos in the streets, mass hysteria, dogs and cats living together.

[Grey_Wolf_c]

OKay okay, let me try my hand on this. So, if I were unreasonably pessimistic and banked all my self-image on the bad guys winning (so i could be "right), my prediction would be:

Round 1: The vampire dominates everybody with ease.
Round 2: The vampire casts Mending on the table.
Round 3: Evil wins, good dies, lots of people go "I told you so!" on the forum. The comic ends in an unsatisfactory manner.
Round 4: Chaos in the streets, mass hysteria, dogs and cats living together.

A vampire can only do one domination attempt per round

Grey Wolf

[HalfTangible]

OKay okay, let me try my hand on this. So, if I were unreasonably pessimistic and banked all my self-image on the bad guys winning (so i could be "right), my prediction would be:

Round 1: The vampire dominates everybody with ease-

The blue field turns the vampire to stone, good wins, case closed, miller time!

There's a reason they had to wait until they were inside the orange field but outside the blue one.

[Fyraltari]

The blue field turns the vampire to stone, good wins, case closed, miller time!

There's a reason they had to wait until they were inside the orange field but outside the blue one.

Blue field went away when the meeting was suspended as noted by the 102^nd of the Nazzo dynasty.

[Malphegor]

Hah none of us saw this coming in the last thread, I believe.