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    The unbound ones= unbound spirits? And those who see=the paladins I guess? It seems like a bit of a broad stroke to brush with, are the paladins and the magic spirits in a larger supernatural political conflict of some sort?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Kornaki View Post
    The unbound ones= unbound spirits? And those who see=the paladins I guess? It seems like a bit of a broad stroke to brush with, are the paladins and the magic spirits in a larger supernatural political conflict of some sort?
    I'm assuming unbound spirits, but hey, they could mean Ghouls for all we know.

    I'm inclined to think it isn't only paladins who can see spirits like that. I expect there are multiple groups in the G.O. who have that capability.
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    Huh.

    So, is Infinite somehow a special case with his power source, or do all magic users have a 'spirit of pandemonium' attached to them? If all magic users have an S.o.P. stuck to them, who's been doing the sticking? Because up until this point, all things pointed towards people with magic being born that way.

    And how special does this make Noah, since he apparently just randomly created a spirit of his own? Also, how inimical to humans are the various spirits, since Noah was warned against them?

    ... and how evil is humanity going to turn out to be when it's revealed that the spirits have a justifiable grievance and humans are the real monsters, as per the usual?

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    Wasn't Global order formed to stop magic users?

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    Wasn't Global order formed to stop magic users?
    If I recall correctly, GO was founded to establish order and stability in areas outside the jurisdiction of the Heroes Guild and the Empire rather than specifically to stop magic users, but due to the threat magic users pose to everyone else when they start getting violent the GO makes various magical bioweapons like the paladins, pod soldiers and Three with the specific aim of countering criminal magic users. To stop them going rogue, the paladins at least are unable to use their powers to harm non-magic people though Three and the pod soldiers seem to have no such limitation when it comes to their choice of targets.
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    So, is Infinite somehow a special case with his power source, or do all magic users have a 'spirit of pandemonium' attached to them? If all magic users have an S.o.P. stuck to them, who's been doing the sticking? Because up until this point, all things pointed towards people with magic being born that way.
    From the paladins comment, its at least all Pandemonium users who have a spirit attached to them. We dont know about other types yes.

    And how special does this make Noah, since he apparently just randomly created a spirit of his own? Also, how inimical to humans are the various spirits, since Noah was warned against them?
    Its in no way certain Ciel were created by Noah. Not after what we have seen with Infinity.
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    My guess is the magic users that can do anything are just calling on random different unbound spirits to help them out for a bit.

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    Quote Originally Posted by lord_khaine View Post
    From the paladins comment, its at least all Pandemonium users who have a spirit attached to them. We dont know about other types yes.

    Its in no way certain Ciel were created by Noah. Not after what we have seen with Infinity.
    Ciel herself implied pretty heavily that she was created by Noah's abilities, if not outright stated it, though.

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    Quote Originally Posted by TeChameleon View Post
    Ciel herself implied pretty heavily that she was created by Noah's abilities, if not outright stated it, though.
    Well, the specific manifestation of "Ciel" that Noah can see and talk to probably was.
    But, assuming Noah's magic works like Infinite's, I doubt the devil girl is the real "Ciel".
    Of course that assumes Noah's spirit-thing is talking through her.
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    I really thought that lose some comment was a lead in to their punishment for having no money, but I guess it was just a sick burn.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Kornaki View Post
    I really thought that lose some comment was a lead in to their punishment for having no money, but I guess it was just a sick burn.
    The thing is that the Smile Foundation itself will not punish the participants as long as they don't break the rules. They'll just keep putting the players in situations where they're likely to hurt each other or themselves. But not any sort of direct harm.

    A good example is that "penalty game". The losers of the trade game got put in an arena where you need superhuman mobility (or assistance) to reach the exit safely, and except for the starting position, everywhere is PVP-enabled.
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    The thing is that the Smile Foundation itself will not punish the participants as long as they don't break the rules. They'll just keep putting the players in situations where they're likely to hurt each other or themselves. But not any sort of direct harm.
    Absolutely. The main thing its the players themselves who are screwing each other over.
    For example. Had everyone behaved in the previous game. Then they would have earned a small fortune and gone free of this round.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Gez View Post
    A good example is that "penalty game". The losers of the trade game got put in an arena where you need superhuman mobility (or assistance) to reach the exit safely, and except for the starting position, everywhere is PVP-enabled.
    Also worth noting that the biggest danger is the PVP. The various 'cleaners' could pretty easily escort the other players out of the arena just fine. As Infinite basically did.
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    Really Bindy?
    Should I wash myself?
    May seems to be the better word here.
    Even your boss's confused by that one.

    "You smell like death. And not the good kind." is a great line though, even if I don't want to think to hard about it.
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    I am kinda hoping that making it abundantly clear he is working for not so great people motivates Noah to try to get out of the situation. (Well he knows that of course since he is basically there because he has a gun to his head but this is more large scale.) As hard as that would be if this mess doesn't give him an escape route.

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    New chapter

    Well, that's quite the development.

    Veda and Malhart both look kinda freakish.
    Veda more so, she has that "I'll eat your soul" quality to her, while the old man just looks old. "I was already an old man when your great-grandfather's great-grandfather was born" old, but still just old.

    Also, those reactions to meeting someone their own size.

    Malhart is cool though. Hope he sticks around.

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    The town is probably a write off, what with Veda just disabling the only thing keeping the nightmares at bay.
    On the other hand the "kid" (well, not anymore, after almost two decades. Unless she was really young back then.) seems to have some control now, so maybe things will turn out fine?

    Not sure if I should hope Veda bites it, she has it coming, but it might be bad for Noah and the other recruits if the project dies with her.
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    Yeah hot dam that was some revelations.
    Expose just what sort of sociopath Veda is. Unleashing that kind of horror on a major town.
    Also actually a lot of relevant bits about the world. Such as just how powerful high end magic users are.
    Or how Justopia actually managed to survive so far.
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    Quote Originally Posted by lord_khaine View Post
    Yeah hot dam that was some revelations.
    Expose just what sort of sociopath Veda is. Unleashing that kind of horror on a major town.
    Also actually a lot of relevant bits about the world. Such as just how powerful high end magic users are.
    Or how Justopia actually managed to survive so far.
    I mean, to be fair to Veda*, she did recommend evacuating Haven.
    Mind you, she looses all those points by going on with plan "murder the kindly old man keeping the horrors sealed" anyway, but she did try to reduce collateral damage.

    *Writing that's gonna leave a bad taste.
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    From page 1939 to page 1999, inclusive. 61 pages in one single update.

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    I mean, to be fair to Veda*, she did recommend evacuating Haven.
    Mind you, she looses all those points by going on with plan "murder the kindly old man keeping the horrors sealed" anyway, but she did try to reduce collateral damage.
    She already lost those points when she made it clear, the important part was to be on record as having asked for the evacuation.
    So that leaves her at a solid negative.

    Neorice puts it perfectly in chapter 1973 "Our antagonist of this arc everyone, a philantrophic rebellious painter trying to save people from horrific deaths."
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    Sweet, nice to get a whole chapter all at once. Or maybe most of a chapter?

    I really hope Veda dies here though. It's not that she's a despicable character, I don't mind that so much. But she's entirely way to self assured for my liking. Seeing her arrogance backfire and harm her personally would be immensely satisfying.
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    Veda really dropped the mask in that chapter, she was so certain she couldn't fail that she gave up on the pretenses...

    She said Malhart's magic could be replicated, why wasn't that actually part of her plan B?
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    What a drop.

    Also there is 0 chance this will bite Veda significantly. Nail and Noah are coming to her rescue.

    Fun moments.
    Triggering Noah with a question.
    And referring to height as length category.

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    ... am I the only one that thinks that the arm that grabbed Veda looks a lot like the Paladin's (the one hanging out with Tobi) flesh-construct thingies?

    Honestly, this world sounds more than a little precarious; it feels like it's the drop of a hat away from imploding when uber-powerful magic whatevers decide they've had enough of people doing weird crap to try and keep up with them and all the superweapons being fired at each other.

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    Quote Originally Posted by TeChameleon View Post
    ... am I the only one that thinks that the arm that grabbed Veda looks a lot like the Paladin's (the one hanging out with Tobi) flesh-construct thingies?

    Honestly, this world sounds more than a little precarious; it feels like it's the drop of a hat away from imploding when uber-powerful magic whatevers decide they've had enough of people doing weird crap to try and keep up with them and all the superweapons being fired at each other.
    It's quite possible that spirits are in some kind of competition, that would make Lorg look like a peaceful seaside town.

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    I really hope Veda dies here though. It's not that she's a despicable character, I don't mind that so much. But she's entirely way to self assured for my liking. Seeing her arrogance backfire and harm her personally would be immensely satisfying.
    See i think thats kinda funny xD
    I mean its quite justified for Veda to be so confident. She has, until now, basically been playing chess while everyone else were playing checkers.
    But she is a monster on a scale that dwarfs every other villain we have seen so far. Levin is just an unpleasant guy in comparison.

    Unfortunately it seems likely she is a powerful magic user. So i think she will survive.

    ... am I the only one that thinks that the arm that grabbed Veda looks a lot like the Paladin's (the one hanging out with Tobi) flesh-construct thingies?
    Likely. I took a second look at the arm. I dont think it look anything like the Paladins.
    Wrong color. has nails. And looks more like a real arm, less like a flesh abomination.

    Honestly, this world sounds more than a little precarious; it feels like it's the drop of a hat away from imploding when uber-powerful magic whatevers decide they've had enough of people doing weird crap to try and keep up with them and all the superweapons being fired at each other.
    It mostly seems like a nuclear stalemate. I dont think if you put all the ultra-mages in the same room, that they could agree on as much as what color the carpet were.
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    Quote Originally Posted by lord_khaine View Post
    See i think thats kinda funny xD
    I mean its quite justified for Veda to be so confident. She has, until now, basically been playing chess while everyone else were playing checkers.
    But she is a monster on a scale that dwarfs every other villain we have seen so far. Levin is just an unpleasant guy in comparison.

    Unfortunately it seems likely she is a powerful magic user. So i think she will survive.



    It mostly seems like a nuclear stalemate. I dont think if you put all the ultra-mages in the same room, that they could agree on as much as what color the carpet were.
    I mean, this mostly comes from Veda being two steps ahead, somehow. Our perspective is limited, but Veda's knowledge has never been justified or explained as far as I remember.

    My money is on her not being a magic user.

    I'd disagree with that. I think all the ultra-mages likely get along at least relatively fine. Because pretty much the only thing an ultra-mage needs to fear is another ultra-mage, so it's in their best interest to at least manage to get along well enough to not fight.
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    I mean, this mostly comes from Veda being two steps ahead, somehow. Our perspective is limited, but Veda's knowledge has never been justified or explained as far as I remember.
    Somehow? What is there to be justified or explained? Veda is smart and have done her research. While at the same time comming from a more advanced country.
    I dont think any of her conclusions has been unreasonable. She had a plan for catching Malharts kids that was solid. use other kids as bait.
    And a plan for catching Malhard that was equally solid. use Malhards kids to bait Malhard with the antidote.

    If she isnt a regular magic user, then she is still something else than normal. Seems quite clear it was her that were the monster who spooked the Elf during the attack.

    I'd disagree with that. I think all the ultra-mages likely get along at least relatively fine. Because pretty much the only thing an ultra-mage needs to fear is another ultra-mage, so it's in their best interest to at least manage to get along well enough to not fight.
    Thats.. not entirely correct. There is also being poisoned by black crystal. Being poisoned in general. Getting ganged up on by enough mega-mages. And getting stabbed by a gold weapon.
    We also know that all of them except one has signed up with some government. Since said government dont rule the world i think its fair to assume its different governments.
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    Quote Originally Posted by lord_khaine View Post
    If she isnt a regular magic user, then she is still something else than normal. Seems quite clear it was her that were the monster who spooked the Elf during the attack.
    She apparently isn't a magic user.

    But neither is Levin, and he still has some weirdness about him. Nor this guy, see the audience comments about lack of magical sparkles.

    Likewise, Veda can be surprised by a man with a gun while she's half-asleep in her nightgown, and it ends poorly for her attacker. Her reaction when she was about to get crushed wasn't one of fear, either.

    So it's clear that "magic" is not the only sort of supernatural capacity going around.
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    She apparently isn't a magic user.
    Yeah i personally claim BS on that
    Notice how she just say she took their test and came out clean.
    How hard do you think it would be for Veda to cheat that test?

    But neither is Levin, and he still has some weirdness about him. Nor this guy, see the audience comments about lack of magical sparkles.
    I also already had a minor flamewar over with at the dischord channel. While sparkles = magic, no sparkles does not = no magic.
    We have seen people using enhanced speed and strenght without sparkles before.

    More importantly. We have this. http://neorice.com/hoh_noah_324
    That seems pretty much magic to me.

    Or well. Supernatural at the very least. We do of course have other examples in Beastmen and Ghouls of alternative supernatural things.
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