SZbNAhL's Similarly Sibilant (if unpronouncable) Random Banter #223

[LaZodiac]

Well I just discovered the Zelda Oracle games are on the Nintendo eShop, I've picked up Ages and will get Seasons for a linked game when I've finished because I remember I got the orange one as a kid thinking it was like Pokémon for some reason, because hey it was my first exposure to the series (I was pretty much the only Zelda fan around when growing up, first playing Seasons and then the original and LttP when they came out on GBA, and Twilight Princess on the Wii before I lost access to all Nintendo consoles until a few years ago).

This makes me incredibly happy, I loved OoS back in the day and didn't think to check because I remember the games not being that well recieved when I looked them up online. So while they aren't as good as LttP (or ALBW, which I'd adore if it wasn't for the 'renting items' mechanic) it's going to be nice going back to something I have incredibly fond memories of.


In other news, it's going to take about six months before my hair's at a decent length, anybody got tips to making it look good in the in-between period?

The Oracle games are my first owned Zelda games, and some of my favorites. Straight up just, the best hand held Zeldo's in my opinion, baring things ported from N64 to 3DS.

I will think of better advice after work but; invest in nice hats.

I don't know if I mentioned it here, but my grandfather died a few weeks ago. We weren't particularly close, but...

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*sends hugs*

[Tvtyrant]

I don't know if I mentioned it here, but my grandfather died a few weeks ago. We weren't particularly close, but...

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I'm sorry to hear that.

[Anonymouswizard]

I don't know if I mentioned it here, but my grandfather died a few weeks ago. We weren't particularly close, but...

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*hugs* yeah that sucks.

The Oracle games are my first owned Zelda games, and some of my favorites. Straight up just, the best hand held Zeldo's in my opinion, baring things ported from N64 to 3DS.

Going back to them, the controls are incredibly good, much better than I remember them being. The shield being an item just makes sense, the items so far are as intuitive as I remember (got the sword, shield, shovel, seed satchel, and power bracelet so far), but considering how much I played Seasons it's going to take a bit of time not to expect to have the Seed Sliongshot (I hope that's in here) or Roc's Cape on hand. Also need to see if I can find the right horn if they're in the game, I like the swimmy mount the best.

Nice to see more changes in the overworld compared to Seasons as well, it's looking to be a fun ride.

I will think of better advice after work but; invest in nice hats.

I'll need to find a decent hat shop then. I'm thinking a tricorn, a bobble hat for the winter months, a top hat, and the most outlandish feathered hat I can find.

[LaZodiac]

Going back to them, the controls are incredibly good, much better than I remember them being. The shield being an item just makes sense, the items so far are as intuitive as I remember (got the sword, shield, shovel, seed satchel, and power bracelet so far), but considering how much I played Seasons it's going to take a bit of time not to expect to have the Seed Sliongshot (I hope that's in here) or Roc's Cape on hand. Also need to see if I can find the right horn if they're in the game, I like the swimmy mount the best.

Nice to see more changes in the overworld compared to Seasons as well, it's looking to be a fun ride.

I'll need to find a decent hat shop then. I'm thinking a tricorn, a bobble hat for the winter months, a top hat, and the most outlandish feathered hat I can find.

I forget how to get Dimitri's Flute in Ages, sorry. It may be the same way as in Seasons, where you do a silly dance minigame to get it.

I can say, sadly, the Seed Slingshot is not in Ages. There's something cooler . I'm pretty sure they both have Roc's Cape though. But it has been awhile!

Yeah, Ages being a past/present scenario leads to a bit more of a dynamic overworld than Season's Fall/Winter/Spring/Summer dynamic, because it's both more and less complicated. Seasons also having an entire secondary overworld due to Subrosia is likely related to this.

[2D8HP]

Spoiler: When the whole tavern is filled with Bards

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[Insane Jeenyus]

I don't know if I mentioned it here, but my grandfather died a few weeks ago. We weren't particularly close, but...

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So sorry for you. My grandpa and I were very close and I wept off and on for about 2 decades. I was about 26 or so.

[Anonymouswizard]

I forget how to get Dimitri's Flute in Ages, sorry. It may be the same way as in Seasons, where you do a silly dance minigame to get it.

I can say, sadly, the Seed Slingshot is not in Ages. There's something cooler . I'm pretty sure they both have Roc's Cape though. But it has been awhile!

Yeah, Ages being a past/present scenario leads to a bit more of a dynamic overworld than Season's Fall/Winter/Spring/Summer dynamic, because it's both more and less complicated. Seasons also having an entire secondary overworld due to Subrosia is likely related to this.

I just looked up Dimitri's Flute, apparently you get it via, shop which is good, I remember that mini game (my first encounter with Dimitri wad actually because I went back to see if you could redo that).

And I'm not sie you can hey cooler than shooting three seeds at once.

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How's this different to a normal pub?

[Teddy]

Anyone ever go to eat something while reading, and then realize they devoured the food instantly? I unpeelee a banana just a moment ago, got a text and somehow swallowed the entire banana by the time I unlocked my phone. I'm in public and hoping no one saw.

I'm the exact opposite. I throw a glance upon the screen and an hour later I realise I still haven't touched my food. So I dutifully shove down a pair of bites, then throw a glance at the screen...

How's this different to a normal pub?

Every patron is a man in the age bracket 25-35 with relatively high voices, and there's no barkeep?

[Rawhide]

ALBW, which I'd adore if it wasn't for the 'renting items' mechanic

Why should this being an option affect your experience? I played the entire game without renting a single item. You only need to rent if you want to play the dungeons out of order.

[LaZodiac]

I just looked up Dimitri's Flute, apparently you get it via, shop which is good, I remember that mini game (my first encounter with Dimitri wad actually because I went back to see if you could redo that).

And I'm not sie you can hey cooler than shooting three seeds at once.

In my defense I forgot the Seed Shooter is in Seasons and not Ages. I think Ages has something good for the slingshot upgrade since so much of the game involves using seeds for puzzles... unless I'm thinking about Seasons which was primarily combat based but did at times have puzzles.

Look I'll have a more concrete answer to this question when I do an LP of the game.

Why should this being an option affect your experience? I played the entire game without renting a single item. You only need to rent if you want to play the dungeons out of order.

What he means is that he prefers to find them in dungeons.

As for myself, I love the item system in A Link Between Worlds, since the item gauge being a thing plus all the items effectively being available at once if you've got the cash means you get to actually experiment with items that you'd tend not to normally. It's one of my favorite things in Zelda, taking my tools and rubbing them against things to find out what works and what doesn't. It's why in Skyward Sword I basically just kinda bopped everything with my beetle friend.

[Peelee]

What he means is that he prefers to find them in dungeons.

As for myself, I love the item system in A Link Between Worlds, since the item gauge being a thing plus all the items effectively being available at once if you've got the cash means you get to actually experiment with items that you'd tend not to normally. It's one of my favorite things in Zelda, taking my tools and rubbing them against things to find out what works and what doesn't. It's why in Skyward Sword I basically just kinda bopped everything with my beetle friend.

You just reminded me of the bomb arrows in Link's Awakening, which made me smile.

[DataNinja]

You just reminded me of the bomb arrows in Link's Awakening, which made me smile.

Still never as good as path-directed explosive mouse friends from Phantom Hourglass.

In other news: Looking forwards to tonight, because I'm getting to go see Weird Al live. I'm not normally a concert girl... but I can make an exception in this case.

[enderlord99]

Are the words "well" and "actually" monosyllabic?

[Tvtyrant]

Are the words "well" and "actually" monosyllabic?

"Well" is I believe, actually isn't. At least not how I say it.

[Rawhide]

What he means is that he prefers to find them in dungeons.

I prefer to find them in dungeons. I found them in dungeons. I didn't once rent an item.

It's a completely optional system, you do not need to use it at all unless you want to break from the more linear sequence of exploration.

[LaZodiac]

I prefer to find them in dungeons. I found them in dungeons. I didn't once rent an item.

It's a completely optional system, you do not need to use it at all unless you want to break from the more linear sequence of exploration.

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No.

A Link Between Worlds does not have that as a function by it's very nature.

[Bartmanhomer]

"I'm so bored. I'm watching actual static on TV right now."

[HalfTangible]

"I'm so bored. I'm watching actual static on TV right now."

Gee I wonder why you're bored.

[Rawhide]

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No.

A Link Between Worlds does not have that as a function by it's very nature.

What are you talking about?

I finished A Link Between Worlds 100% without renting a single item. Ever.

[Bartmanhomer]

Gee I wonder why you're bored.

You do realize that I was being sarcastic right?

[enderlord99]

What are you talking about?

I finished A Link Between Worlds 100% without renting a single item. Ever.

Just to be clear:

Buying counts as renting for the purpose of this discussion, right?

I've never played it and I don't know who to believe.

[Rawhide]

Just to be clear:

Buying counts as renting for the purpose of this discussion, right?

I've never played it and I don't know who to believe.

Why would buying count as renting?

[Qwertystop]

Just to be clear:

Buying counts as renting for the purpose of this discussion, right?

I've never played it and I don't know who to believe.

It does not. To beat the game, assuming no glitches to skip things, you need to have all of the rentable items (though not necessarily all at once). Whether you bought or rented it doesn't matter, but each dungeon needs a different rentable item to get in, and no dungeon is optional.

Renting is cheaper, but you lose the item when you die, and you can't upgrade it. Upgrades are never required but are generally nice to have.

[HalfTangible]

You do realize that I was being sarcastic right?

Yes Bart, as much as I personally dislike the trend of using blue text to denote sarcasm, I am aware of it and I am not colorblind.

You realize I was being snarky too, right?

[Bartmanhomer]

Yes Bart, as much as I personally dislike the trend of using blue text to denote sarcasm, I am aware of it and I am not colorblind.

You realize I was being snarky too, right?

No I didn't realize it thank you very much.

[Peelee]

Still never as good as path-directed explosive mouse friends from Phantom Hourglass.

In other news: Looking forwards to tonight, because I'm getting to go see Weird Al live. I'm not normally a concert girl... but I can make an exception in this case.

Fun fact! I've danced onstage with Weird Al during a concert in Montgomery. The meet n greet before didn't happen but we got to get the small one after. Dude is super kind and down to earth.

I prefer to find them in dungeons. I found them in dungeons. I didn't once rent an item.

It's a completely optional system, you do not need to use it at all unless you want to break from the more linear sequence of exploration.

I thought they weren't in dungeons and you had to get them from Ravio?

[Rawhide]

I thought they weren't in dungeons and you had to get them from Ravio?

There are items you find, and there are items you can (optionally) rent or buy.

You've always been able to buy some of the items/item upgrades in Zelda, and some have been ones you find. This is no different, you can just choose to rent if you want.

[Peelee]

There are items you find, and there are items you can (optionally) rent or buy.

You've always been able to buy some of the items/item upgrades in Zelda, and some have been ones you find. This is no different, you can just choose to rent if you want.

It's just, I don't remember being able to get the sand rod any other way (or being able to control sand any other way), for example.

[Qwertystop]

There are items you find, and there are items you can (optionally) rent or buy.

You've always been able to buy some of the items/item upgrades in Zelda, and some have been ones you find. This is no different, you can just choose to rent if you want.

The difference is, the rentable items in ALBW are of the sort that gives some significant new capability and are required to get past some obstacles. A few games have one or two of those as purchases (the wooden shield and Zora and Goron tunics in OoT, the slingshot in TP), but almost always they're found in dungeons. Purchased items are more often nice-to-haves – a fishing rod, heart container, larger storage capacity for one consumable or another, potions, and so on.

ALBW has every dungeon (after the first section of the game) focus on the use of a single item, you have to have that item to get in the front door, and all (or nearly all?) of those items are exclusive to Ravio's shop, as far as I know.

(As a side effect, no dungeon is designed under the assumption of you having any item other than the one you need to have to get in, and all of the rentable items except the Sand Rod are available from the start, so the difficulty curve is pretty flat. Even the dungeon that needs the Sand Rod doesn't assume you have anything else, because even though you needed it earlier, if it was a rental you might have lost it.)

[Rawhide]

It's just, I don't remember being able to get the sand rod any other way (or being able to control sand any other way), for example.

The sand rod is given to you as a "rental" (for free), it's taken away at the end of the sequence. You have to rent or buy it after that to continue using it.