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Re: OOTS #1176 - The Discussion Thread
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Re: OOTS #1176 - The Discussion Thread
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An explanation of why MitD being any larger than Huge is implausible.
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2019-08-20, 06:16 PM (ISO 8601)
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Re: OOTS #1176 - The Discussion Thread
I gotta say, even though Hel is a wrongdoer, OOTS hits my "I hate my dad" bone every time.
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2019-08-20, 06:18 PM (ISO 8601)
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Re: OOTS #1176 - The Discussion Thread
i'm guessing this might be addressed in the last several pages but there was alot on the first page so..
i'm 95% sure that he wigs out when she exhausters herself and is THEN sad so i think it has little to do with her hating him and everything to do with the fact that she's malnourished and way more than he thought, which is made worse by the fact she's trying to destroy the world which she doesnt realize will kill her since she's not healthy enough to survive till they have new mortals again
she wants to destroy the world because she's literally dying in this one but doing so will kill her
its a loose loose unless they change how things work in THIS world which hopefully is related to how the pantheons will settle when this is all over.
maybe it will end with them changing the rules because them going 'screw it, this is our millionth planet so why not screw each other over and mess with the mortals" has literally twice over (between Hel and The Dark One) screwed over any chance of them stopping the snarl foreverPart of the "Raise Nale and Let Him Serve Life in Prison" fan-club
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Re: OOTS #1176 - The Discussion Thread
So The Giant's quote about Hel's lack of worshipers:
No one worships Hel, as was mentioned here. That means literally not one single living person, ever.
That said she's clearly suffering from the lack of worship (which she complains about specifically). Beyond that she's presumably getting plenty of belief since she's an important part of other god's stories, and should be getting dedication and souls, though Thor telling the dwarves about the bet is likely causing her to get less than she expected. I'm not sure all that is enough to destroy her between worlds though, Odin clearly didn't get much worship in the previous world, but he made it mostly intact.
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I really hope we get some kind of explanation for the bet. Seems like a terrible thing to do to your own daughter. Moreso knowing how the lack of believers can affect a god.
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I'd say that there's some sort of vague power that makes it so that whenever someone considers making a church of Hel, with clerics and living worshipers, they suddenly get the thought interrupted and start thinking about something unrelated.
Or maybe there's something in the water.
Hel is probably getting lots of belief because she is part of plenty of scary stories parents tell their children to keep them in line. "Don't steal, because that's dishonorable and then Hel will get you!" "If you lie, Hel's going to come out at night with her death giants and pluck you right out of bed!"Last edited by Squire Doodad; 2019-08-20 at 06:29 PM.
An explanation of why MitD being any larger than Huge is implausible.
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2019-08-20, 06:44 PM (ISO 8601)
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Re: OOTS #1176 - The Discussion Thread
Maybe Loki didn't prompt the wager to teach a lesson. Maybe Loki prompted the wager to help Thor become more powerful, so that a cleric of Thor would have enough strength to draw on in order to t-
Er, nvm, the wager was made when the world was being created, and the Dark One ascended during the current world's tenure. So the wager could not have been in preparation for getting Durkon in position to talk with Redcloak. My bad.
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2019-08-20, 06:55 PM (ISO 8601)
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Re: OOTS #1176 - The Discussion Thread
It could be mortals, especially evil ones, go where the power is. And while worshipping a God who can't bestow spells or anything to her clerics might get some hipster cred, the Church of Fenrir, Loki, Thrym, Surtr, or any other evil God can give the clerics power.
What Hel needs is dwarves to set up prayers for the dishonoured, asking Hel to be lenient to those who died in shame. While she won't get as much worship as she did before, maybe now she'll be more grateful for it.
Of course it's very likely she'll try to get Curly to vamp Hilgya out of spite and for everything to go horribly wrong.
As for my previous ragging on Thrym... Maybe I'm being a bit harsh. I did try and script out a conversation with Thor and him about getting his act together and resuming old hobbies... But the only hobby I could really think of was 'fighting Thor', which probably wouldn't be healthy either.
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Something else just occurred to me: if Hel succeeds at her plan to get the world destroyed, what would that make her?
SpoilerWoobie, Destroyer of Worlds. : P
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That quote is helpful because it lines up with the words in her flashback. Hel has no choice but to forgoe worship in this incarnation of the world.
In the past, she had the normal setup. I wonder what she was like in normal circumstances?
Loki seems like a truly awful father.
Ok... I'm nearly speechless, as that is fascinating. Why is Hel cruel to the dwarves? I assumed it was because she got a terrible deal, by her father.
In dnd lore, is Hel normally vicious towards souls or is that specific to OOTS?
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Re: OOTS #1176 - The Discussion Thread
Compare and contrast Loki's reaction from Hel's outrage and stated desire to see her father DEAD, to Tarquin's reaction to Nale saying he simply wanted nothing at all from his father.
Tarquin is far more sociopathic than the God of "I Do Whatever's Best For Me".
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Loki might be vaguely Neutral in comparison to most CE gods, though that's besides the point. Loki is Loki: he's a trickster, a man who rigs a scene where Thor suddenly starts kisses a cow, the sort of guy who follows his own agenda, but is also here for laughs. While he is no less dangerous than the likes of Xykon, Redcloak or Tarquin, Loki is (from what we've seen) a more entertaining person ("a better person" is not readily true, not sure how else to put it), not because of his spot in the alignment chart, but because of who he is.
For Xykon v Tarquin: Xykon kills and enjoys the killing.
Tarquin kills because it gets people out of the way quickly. (He arguably appreciates it in an academic sense though)An explanation of why MitD being any larger than Huge is implausible.
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While there's no direct source, belief, souls and dedications are what powers her, and she just lost a bunch of her souls, she also just gave up more power to give spells to clerics, that means her power just got dropped a lot lower than normal, its quite possible that this situation would be the same, this definitely hurt her a lot.
Profile of a sociopath I'd say it applies to them fairly similarly, I'd call Xykon more because he is much more sadistic, you can say Tarquin is more unfeeling but you can't say he's more sociopathic due to his Lawful nature.
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Most (successful) dictators in fiction tend to be much more pragmatic with regards to whom they hurt and even, sometimes, why. Imitating some Caligula-like figure, naming your horse consul or giving some sort of high post to your idiot son, only gets you so far before everyone else teams up to take you out.
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Basically, it seems to be "I killed you because you put your feet on my bed" suggests an emotional trigger for the killing, while "I killed you so I can maximize my council vote next weekend" suggests a political, detached mindset (thus more in line with various views of sociopath ideologies).An explanation of why MitD being any larger than Huge is implausible.
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