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2019-09-22, 02:36 PM (ISO 8601)
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“Wouldn't it be much worse if life were fair and all the terrible things that happen to us, come because we actually deserve them? So now I take comfort in the general hostility and unfairness of the Universe”- Marcus Cole
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2019-09-22, 02:38 PM (ISO 8601)
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The lack of pockets in TNG at least was a very purposeful attempt being futuristic. Everything was supposed to attach to the uniform as if made of “magic cloth.” They used Velcro.
Whether the aesthetic works to give it a future feel is up to you.
I like the practical pockets coming back in Enterprise.
Smallville is a good comparison. They definitely brought in too many powers too fast. You are never made to feel that the meteor freaks are any challenge to Young’s Clark Kent. They should’ve waited to introduce the bullet-time speed until the season finale or something.
However, Smallville always had new powers and other stuff to introduce right up to bringing out flight in the grand finale. They also decided the setting would be lousy with kryptonite so he’d be useless and reliant on his friends at critical times.
Enterprise puts all their toys right up front in season one and doesn’t even bother with playing with the idea for longer than that of what it would be like for the Enterprise to have to deal with problems while lacking technology the later shows had.
Clark certainly had his times way, way down the line when he was too weak, too slow, lacking flight, vulnerable etc and that was part of the fun of the show.The laws of physics are not crying in a corner, they are bawling in the forums.
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2019-09-22, 02:39 PM (ISO 8601)
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“Wouldn't it be much worse if life were fair and all the terrible things that happen to us, come because we actually deserve them? So now I take comfort in the general hostility and unfairness of the Universe”- Marcus Cole
This has become my philosophy!
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2019-09-22, 03:36 PM (ISO 8601)
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The funny thing was that when I was doing my fact checking, I found out that Amok Time was written by Theodore Sturgeon - yes, he of Sturgeon's law fame - and that the episode is consistently ranked high in any poll of episodes - even polls covering the entire franchise. The man was truely a genius.
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2019-09-22, 09:08 PM (ISO 8601)
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2019-09-22, 10:22 PM (ISO 8601)
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2019-09-23, 02:40 AM (ISO 8601)
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Don't forget that by the time the movies rolled around, Spock ended up stuffing his soul-equivalent into McCoy for a while, too. They bickered like siblings, but they were tight. Either one of them would put their life on the line for the other without even thinking about it. So McCoy busting Spock's balls a bit has a very, very different context than T'Pol being all "Pfft, humans." at Archer (sorry, the Spock/McCoy interactions were some of my all-time favourite bits of any Trek. DeForest Kelley and Leonard Nimoy were magnificent actors).
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2019-09-23, 07:17 AM (ISO 8601)
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Last edited by Peelee; 2019-09-23 at 07:17 AM.
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2019-09-23, 11:52 AM (ISO 8601)
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"And if you don't, the consequences will be dire!"
"What? They'll have three extra hit dice and a rend attack?"
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2019-09-23, 01:00 PM (ISO 8601)
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Maybe, I've never played STO myself but I know there's some overlap with canon Trek characters appearing in-game with the actors voicing them and whatnot.
The problem is you've got to do a lot to justify fairly core aspects of a MMORPG that don't make sense for Star Trek outside that medium, like providing a narrative that will support endless conflict so your character will always have things to fight.Last edited by Kitten Champion; 2019-09-23 at 01:01 PM.
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2019-09-23, 02:24 PM (ISO 8601)
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"And if you don't, the consequences will be dire!"
"What? They'll have three extra hit dice and a rend attack?"
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2019-09-23, 02:50 PM (ISO 8601)
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We sort of drifted past this question, but canonically Romulans are quite strong, but not as strong as Vulcans. This is because the planet Vulcan is supposed to have a gravity of 1.4G (something that we basically never see when humans are actually on the planet, but we could handwave that Star Trek tech has adapters for that) and Romulus has a gravity of 1.0G. The combination of two thousand years of living on a lower-gravity world and of individual people being born there makes them not quite as strong as Vulcans.
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2019-09-23, 09:49 PM (ISO 8601)
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The laws of physics are not crying in a corner, they are bawling in the forums.
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2019-09-24, 04:00 AM (ISO 8601)
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I'm not sure McCoy actually had any deep-seated beliefs about Vulcans. I always got the impression that McCoy's irascible comments about Spock's Vulcan-ness were less an 'I hate Vulcans' thing and more a 'you have pissed me off and happened to be a Vulcan while doing it'. As far as I remember (and it has admittedly been years since I watched ToS), on those rare occasions Bones interacts with non-Spock Vulcans, he's as respectful to them as he is to anybody else, which is admittedly not very
(random aside, if you happen to watch/rewatch Amok Time, the old Vulcan lady who oversees the Pon Farr trials has the most amazing Norwegian accent. I'd love to hear how that happened in-universe...)Last edited by TeChameleon; 2019-09-24 at 04:01 AM.
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2019-09-24, 04:06 AM (ISO 8601)
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2019-09-24, 05:16 AM (ISO 8601)
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2019-09-24, 08:39 AM (ISO 8601)
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2019-09-24, 01:21 PM (ISO 8601)
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I remember, about the time Voyager came out, there was some discussion about Tim Russ being a black Vulcan (not to be confused with Black Vulcan, who I now want Tim Russ to voice in a TV show/movie, because it would be hilarious for certain values thereof), and his basic response was "Look, Vulcan is a big, hot, planet. You're going to have a lot of people on Vulcan who look different, just like on Earth. This makes no less sense than a Vulcan looking like a white dude."
So, yeah, Norwegian Vulcan? They come from an archipelago in the southern ocean where they learn to speak a different language until they're five, and thus have a weird accent, instead of sounding like Americans, like most Vulcans do, because the normal Vulcan accent is TOTALLY an American accent.The Cranky Gamer
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*Picard management tip: Debate honestly. The goal is to arrive at the truth, not at your preconception.
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2019-09-25, 09:55 AM (ISO 8601)
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Which is technically a misnomer. They still believed in Surak's teachings, their interpretation was that one could embrace logic and emotional control without going to the extreme of acting like an emotionless robot all the time.
Which reminds me of an episode of Voyager with a bunch of Tuvok flashbacks in which we meet one of Tuvok's teachers. Said teacher has no qualms about expressing, at least verbally, what emotions he was feeling. He didn't let them control his actions, but he didn't just straight up ignore them. Speaking of Tuvok, there was also that episode where he got amnesia and he spent a bunch of the episode in the kitchen cooking desserts and sweets because he loved that the tasted the best and that they made the other crew members happy.
On the old topic of the Klingon society not making sense, there is an Enterprise episode where a Klingon, played by the actor who played General Martok, laments that the warrior culture has permeated all aspects of Klingon society, and that it is a somewhat recent development. He talks about how he is a lawyer, his dad was a teacher, his mom was a biologist, and states that you could earn honor through duty and integrity and not just violence, bloodshed and dying in battle.Two by two, hands of blue.
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2019-09-28, 07:48 PM (ISO 8601)
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I heard an interesting fan-theory about the Klingons:
That they were engineered as a race of super-soldiers, but a now-extinct and unknown race that they overthrew. This would explain:
* Why they are naturally tougher and better fighters than most other races.
* Why their military tech is pretty advaced, but the restof their society isn't.
* Why their mythology tells that they killed their gods.
Another fan-theory (unfortunately nixed by Enterprise):
* Some time between TOS and TNG, there was a political, social, cultural and ethnic revolution in the Klingon Empire, that resulted in the angry, lumpy-headed sub-race of Klingons overthrowing and suppressing or ethnicly clensing the formerly-dominant smooth-headed sub-race.
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2019-09-28, 09:13 PM (ISO 8601)
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Well, the idea that the Klingon didn't actually develop their tech is not an entirely new one. It's canon the Klingons were once conquered by a race called the Hurq, who were eventually driven off by the Klingons. It's more than possible the Klingons reverse engineered their tech in their uprising.
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Isn't that basically the plot of Nemesis with the Romulans and Remans? I've never made it far past the dune buggy scene, but that's essentially what I remember of it.
It would have made a much better explanation for the change in the Klingons than what Enterprise actually gave us.Allergy advice: posts may contain traces of sarcasm
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2019-09-29, 07:09 AM (ISO 8601)
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2019-09-29, 07:23 AM (ISO 8601)
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2019-09-29, 08:49 AM (ISO 8601)
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2019-09-29, 10:20 PM (ISO 8601)
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Except that the question got raised right back up again in "Trials and Tribble-ations", also DS9, where the DS9 cast ended up in "The Trouble with Tribbles" ToS episode- quoth O'Brien, upon seeing the Klingons in the DS K7 bar:
O'Brien: "Those are Klingons?"
Worf: "We... do not speak of it."
So... uhm... yeah.
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2019-09-29, 11:40 PM (ISO 8601)
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Didn't ENT put that all to bed with the whole 'augment virus' thing?
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2019-09-29, 11:52 PM (ISO 8601)
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Technically.
Then again, Discovery put it to bed as well, but completely the other way. By having another style and makeup change for the Klingons without an in universe reason or acknowledgement for the change they confirmed that there can just be random visual updates in the Star Trek series. So it follows that the ridged look introduced in the TOS movies were an art upgrade and we can all safely ignore it.
Or we go with the confirmed augment theory, or we just keep whatever headcanon we like. But we certainly don't need another official explanation.The Hindsight Awards, results: See the best movies of 1999!
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2019-09-30, 04:14 AM (ISO 8601)
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