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    Ettin in the Playground
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    I stuck with Supergirl for two and a bit seasons but I have to admit some choices and outright flaws in the show drove me away, even though Supergirl is one of my favourite characters and I think Melissa Benoist is all kinds of wonderful and I actually went to school with Katie McGrath.

    Still, I'm considering watching this since I sort of like the Batwoman from the comics. If anything the fact that I don't have any pre-existing sacred cows might even help. How does it compare with Supergirl?

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    Honestly? About the same. It's a Berlanti-verse show and they don't even try to hide the formula.

    Reminds me I need to catch up again.

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    So, as expected, the first part of Crisis On Infinite Earths has definitively stated that Batwoman takes place on Earth-1.

    I'm looking forward to seeing Kevin Conroy (from the Batman animated series) finally making his appearance as a live-action Bruce Wayne, and I'm wondering about the possibility of him sticking around in some kind of limited advisory role for Batwoman (similar to the limited appearances of Superman on the Supergirl show)? Would be cool.
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    Remember, Evil isn't "selfish". It's Evil. "Look out for number one" is a Neutral attitude. Evil looks out for number one while crushing number two.

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    Especially if they find an excuse to let him sing. That was an awesome episode of JLU.

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    Well, Batman turned out to be a huge jerk and tried to kill Kara. He's dead now.

    I wonder what Kate is planning to do with that kryptonite she swiped from him?
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    Remember, Evil isn't "selfish". It's Evil. "Look out for number one" is a Neutral attitude. Evil looks out for number one while crushing number two.

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    Quote Originally Posted by KillianHawkeye View Post
    Well, Batman turned out to be a huge jerk and tried to kill Kara. He's dead now.
    Please calm down,i believe batman will be back.

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    Quote Originally Posted by KillianHawkeye View Post
    I wonder what Kate is planning to do with that kryptonite she swiped from him?
    Just being practical.
    They just skipped to a version of a bad and broken Batman, so preparing for an option of a similar Superman is acceptable.
    Not to mention that Superman has the tendency of being mind-controlled every other Tuesday.
    And as a bonus, it can stop the other Kryptonians who apparently didn't hear that Superman and Supergirl are supposed to be the last ones.

    With all the reasons, I don't even think it needs to be kept as a secret.
    All Kate has to do is to ask Kara "if you are being controlled to kill people, will you want me to stop you?"
    But of course it's a CW, and keeping secrets is pretty much the default setting.

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    Quote Originally Posted by random11 View Post

    With all the reasons, I don't even think it needs to be kept as a secret.
    All Kate has to do is to ask Kara "if you are being controlled to kill people, will you want me to stop you?"
    But of course it's a CW, and keeping secrets is pretty much the default setting.
    It was sorted out in this episode of Crisis.
    "I pulled this off Batman just in case, but I trust you now, take it."
    "No, I trust you, keep it."

    Probably gonna be used sometime in the last two hours.
    Now with half the calories!

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    Quote Originally Posted by KillianHawkeye View Post
    Well, Batman turned out to be a huge jerk and tried to kill Kara. He's dead now.

    I wonder what Kate is planning to do with that kryptonite she swiped from him?
    TBH if Kara was acting anything like she was in the middle portion of the last season I watched (the one with Manchester Black; I dropped it around the time he formed the Elite) then I'd probably try to kill her too.

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    As I always suspected, they're planning on collapsing all of the Earth-whatevers into one!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Beleriphon View Post
    As I always suspected, they're planning on collapsing all of the Earth-whatevers into one!
    I mean, that was kind of the point of these Crisis events in the comics, as well. It's DC's classic "We have too many universes" solution.
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    Remember, Evil isn't "selfish". It's Evil. "Look out for number one" is a Neutral attitude. Evil looks out for number one while crushing number two.

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    Quote Originally Posted by KillianHawkeye View Post
    Well, Batman turned out to be a huge jerk and tried to kill Kara. He's dead now.

    I wonder what Kate is planning to do with that kryptonite she swiped from him?
    So I ended up dropping the show after 3 episodes like I thought I would. And then after writing off basically all of Arrowverse DC I hear my Batman, the one and only Kevin Conroy is getting a chance to play Bruce live action. And by Jove I went and watched it.

    Man. Seeing him get villainfied kinda stung. Hope he comes back as a proper Bruce sometime. When that happens Iíll tune in again. Basically like I did for Hamill as the Trickster.

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    Quote Originally Posted by The New Bruceski View Post
    It was sorted out in this episode of Crisis.
    "I pulled this off Batman just in case, but I trust you now, take it."
    "No, I trust you, keep it."

    Probably gonna be used sometime in the last two hours.
    I still think there is a difference between "I trust you, you can have it" to "I have it, but it is not intended for you, I trust you enough to let you know about it".

    Kara's reaction to someone else having Kryptonite always seem to be like a point of view of an entitles person.
    She doesn't like it when even someone she trusts has the means to stop her as a safeguard, but her mere existence is the means to stop pretty much anyone else if he goes bad.
    The weapon can be stolen, but she can be brainwashed, mind-controlled or simply manipulated just as easily.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Dienekes View Post
    So I ended up dropping the show after 3 episodes like I thought I would. And then after writing off basically all of Arrowverse DC I hear my Batman, the one and only Kevin Conroy is getting a chance to play Bruce live action. And by Jove I went and watched it.

    Man. Seeing him get villainfied kinda stung. Hope he comes back as a proper Bruce sometime. When that happens Iíll tune in again. Basically like I did for Hamill as the Trickster.
    Ep 3? The one where
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    Yeah, that was upset with canon Batman, I could have seen a sleep dart/knockout bullet instead.

    I'm watching on CW AP due to Crisis got me interested, but this seemed worse than Green Arrow first season issues.
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    If Batman on her earth was thinking of being a killer (even as a last resort)... then the Keven Conroy version seems to be her future not alternate timeline.

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    The gun was to kill him, not other people. Bat-Kryptonite, if you will.

    As later episodes showed, he was hardly the only one with that idea.

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    What really bugged me about the gun episode was that this money-guy's master plan was to shoot Batman with a gun!? And his back up plan was to punch him!? That hasn't worked in 80 years! Is that more insane or inane?
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    I go back and forth on that.

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    This universe's Batman seems to rely on his invulnerable armour a bit more than usual, so a Bat killing gun isn't necessarily a bad idea...but if Batman knows you have his Bat killing gun, he probably doesn't fight head on.

    On the other hand, Batman has also developed a kill switch for his Anti Bat gun, which doesn't make it especially useful if he goes rogue. Someone could steal the suit, but it already comes with a remotely activated defibrillator, so you could just disable the thief with that.

    Is there a bat rogue that's a really good hacker, who might be able to disable the defibrillator?

    I think Tommy must have been panicking a bit, Kate had just discovered him so he had to act fast.

    I wonder how Catherine pitched her Batman killing gun to her investors. Batman isn't a threat to her, the police wouldn't want it and couldn't afford it if they did, and he's been missing for years by now. The only people that would need it are his rogues, who are unlikely to walk into her company and while Jacob doesn't like the Bat, I don't think he'd be on board with killing him outright. So who was she going to sell it to?


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    Quote Originally Posted by Sapphire Guard View Post
    I go back and forth on that.

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    This universe's Batman seems to rely on his invulnerable armour a bit more than usual, so a Bat killing gun isn't necessarily a bad idea...but if Batman knows you have his Bat killing gun, he probably doesn't fight head on.

    On the other hand, Batman has also developed a kill switch for his Anti Bat gun, which doesn't make it especially useful if he goes rogue. Someone could steal the suit, but it already comes with a remotely activated defibrillator, so you could just disable the thief with that.

    Is there a bat rogue that's a really good hacker, who might be able to disable the defibrillator?

    I think Tommy must have been panicking a bit, Kate had just discovered him so he had to act fast.

    I wonder how Catherine pitched her Batman killing gun to her investors. Batman isn't a threat to her, the police wouldn't want it and couldn't afford it if they did, and he's been missing for years by now. The only people that would need it are his rogues, who are unlikely to walk into her company and while Jacob doesn't like the Bat, I don't think he'd be on board with killing him outright. So who was she going to sell it to?

    There are 2 uses that I see. First, wanting to stay ahead of the curve; tech that only Batman has today, others will have tomorrow. Second, shooting people and things that are on the other side of walls that normal armor piercing rounds can't go through.

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    I agree that while it may have been designed to penetrate the Bat Suit, a gun that can shoot through almost anything has a much wider array of uses than just killing Batman.
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    Remember, Evil isn't "selfish". It's Evil. "Look out for number one" is a Neutral attitude. Evil looks out for number one while crushing number two.

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    Bugbear in the Playground
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    You can just use ordinary heavy weapons for most of that, though.

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    The rail gun pistol is more portable than that stuff, though.

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