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2021-05-01, 06:58 AM (ISO 8601)
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Re: The Index of the Giant's Comments VI―Making Dogma from Zapped Bananas
I am only against 5, 7 and 12. I am for the rest.
Attacks:
5: Irrelevant to the comic
7: This can be confirmed simply by comparing publishing and airing dates, we don't really need the author's denial.
12: Irrelevant to the comic.
Defenses:
1: Needs to stay just in case the author is being sarcastic
2: Nice background info
3: Nice glance into Redcloak's mindstate at that particular time.
4: Nice background info, even if I disagree on the why of his answer, as plenty of real creatures were once considered mythical
6: Nice background info
8: For the love of The Dark One, keep this one even if you discard all the rest.
9: Nice background info
10: Ah, the pains of editing. All aspiring writers should learn of it.
11: Interesting look at how the comic is written
13: Might as well keep this, since people keep trying to deny scenes in the comic by RAW
14: Interesting note on how the artstyle developed.
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2021-05-01, 07:11 AM (ISO 8601)
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Re: The Index of the Giant's Comments VI―Making Dogma from Zapped Bananas
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2021-05-01, 07:33 AM (ISO 8601)
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Re: The Index of the Giant's Comments VI―Making Dogma from Zapped Bananas
Sure, I'm sure I can find some:
https://www.discovery.com/nature/Myt...Out-to-Be-Real
If you don't want to click the link, I'll summarize it:
Narwhals: This was more of a Viking con where they didn't say where the horn was from, but the horns were from real creatures.
Rhinoceroses: Pliny's description of unicorn does not match the modern image: "has the head of a stag, the feet of an elephant, and the tail of a boar ... it makes a deep sound in lowing, and has a single black horn which projects from the middle of its forehead"
Platypus: Most well-known hoax that turned out to not be one
Gorilla: Human-like monsters that visit camps, not identified properly until 1847.
Giant Squid: The Kraken.
http://www.animalplanet.com/tv-shows...ut-to-be-real/
This article reinforces Gorilla and Platypus, and adds Komodo dragons, manatees, and okapis to the list.
Komodo dragons: No one believed it existed until live examples showed up.
Manatees: Mermaids!
Okapi: You know how giraffes easily seem mythical if you've never seen one? Well, the okapi is even worse, because it's half-deer, half-zebra.Last edited by WanderingMist; 2021-05-01 at 07:36 AM. Reason: Typo
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2021-05-01, 05:28 PM (ISO 8601)
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Re: The Index of the Giant's Comments VI―Making Dogma from Zapped Bananas
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2021-05-02, 10:35 AM (ISO 8601)
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Re: The Index of the Giant's Comments VI―Making Dogma from Zapped Bananas
To nearly all of those: were such creatures mythical to the indigonous populations, or to Europeans? I doubt Indonesians thought komodo dragons were mythical or central Africans thought gorrilas were mythical; its hardly their fault that foreign explorers didn't bother to believe the indigenous peoples or came in with the expectation that nothing in the flora and fauna would be different. This may be a bit unfair, since the article openly admits to this, but I still feel it's valid.
As for manatees/mermaids... Well, that's definitely a whole 'nother can of worms, but I'm leaning against saying "this fat cuddly sea cow is totally mythical because they were horrendously mis-imagined by sailors fantasizing about whatever they wanted the creatures to be". And narwhals are fairly definitively not unicorns.
Kraken I'll totally accept though.Last edited by Peelee; 2021-05-02 at 11:44 AM.
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2021-05-02, 11:33 AM (ISO 8601)
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Re: The Index of the Giant's Comments VI―Making Dogma from Zapped Bananas
I think I recall hearing about a biology book where the author specified he would only talk about creatures whose existence were confirmed by (then-)modern science, so no griffins, dragons, mermaids or pelicans.
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Re: The Index of the Giant's Comments VI―Making Dogma from Zapped Bananas
Include all except 1, 4, 5, 7, 12. I agree with the reasons given by others on those ones.
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2021-05-03, 08:29 AM (ISO 8601)
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Re: The Index of the Giant's Comments VI―Making Dogma from Zapped Bananas
On second thought, I agree with WanderingMist and others that we don't need #7.
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2021-05-07, 12:14 AM (ISO 8601)
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Re: The Index of the Giant's Comments VI―Making Dogma from Zapped Bananas
Okay.
Spoiler: Summary# Question In Favor Against Disposition Posters 1 "Do you regret killing fruit pie?"
(<SarcasmOverflowException/>)4 8 Vote-able In Favor: Metastachydium, Kish, Precure, WanderingMist
Against: Fyraltari, ByzantiumBhuka, Schroeswald, Darth V, Jaxzan Proditor, Reboot, Yendor, Gwynfrid2 "Did you enjoy writing for Tarquin? Was is hard to write the pun duel between him and Elan?"
(Yes, and no; respectively.)10 1 Include In Favor: Fyraltari, ByzantiumBhuka, Schroeswald, Metastachydium, Kish, Jaxzan Proditor, Reboot, WanderingMist, Yendor, Gwynfrid
Against: Precure3 "Why did Redcloak think the polymorphed hobgoblin spy had to die? Redcloak ended up telling Xykon that he destroyed the resistance and retrieved the phylactery from them, so there seems to be nothing the spy would know that needed to stay secret. Did he not want Xykon to know he could have destroyed the resistance earlier? Did he have a different plan before he killed Tsukiko? If so, was the original plan?"
(Less risky.)12 0 Include In Favor: Fyraltari, ByzantiumBhuka, Schroeswald, Metastachydium, Darth V, Kish, Jaxzan Proditor, Precure, Reboot, WanderingMist, Yendor, Gwynfrid
Against:4 "Are dinosaurs considered mythical creatures in the OOTS world? Or are they just ordinary animals that happen to exist in the world?"
(No.)3 6 Vote-able In Favor: Kish, Reboot, WanderingMist
Against: Fyraltari, Metastachydium, Darth V, Precure, Yendor, Gwynfrid5 "During the Kickstarter event you did two Monsters for Every Season (Autumn 2016 and Winter 2018). I really love them. Have you considered doing more of these and offering them for sale?"
(Yes.)0 10 Exclude In Favor:
Against: Metastachydium, Darth V, b_jonas, Kish, Jaxzan Proditor, Precure, Reboot, WanderingMist, Yendor, Gwynfrid6 "How do dragons run in the OOTS universe? Is it more like a weasel or a lizard? Perhaps dachshunds?"
(Big dogs or cats.)9 0 Include In Favor: Fyraltari, ByzantiumBhuka, Metastachydium, Kish, Jaxzan Proditor, Precure, Reboot, WanderingMist, Gwynfrid
Against:7 "I just started watching The Walking Dead a few months ago. I'm not sure if you have seen it. (Spoilers, sort of, on season 4) There is a character, a young girl, that loves the "walkers", and plays with them. She thinks they are misunderstood. This was in 2014, and I'm not sure what year Tsukiko came on scene. Was she inspired by this, a coincidence, did you think I already wrote that girl, or have you never watched TWD?"
(No.)6 4 Vote-able In Favor: Fyraltari, Metastachydium, Darth V, Kish, Jaxzan Proditor, Reboot
Against: Precure, WanderingMist, Yendor, Gwynfrid8 "In this comic the roaches mention 9 different groups in this conflict. Have all 9 been revealed or are some still hidden?"
(Demonic roaches betrayed you.)12 0 Include In Favor: Fyraltari, ByzantiumBhuka, Schroeswald, Metastachydium, Darth V, Kish, Jaxzan Proditor, Precure, Reboot, WanderingMist, Yendor, Gwynfrid
Against:9 "Do citizens of Azure City/paladins/members of the Sapphire Guard dye their hair/beards shades of blue, or does it grow that color naturally?"
(Natural.)12 0 Include In Favor: Fyraltari, ByzantiumBhuka, Schroeswald, Metastachydium, Darth V, Kish, Jaxzan Proditor, Precure, Reboot, WanderingMist, Yendor, Gwynfrid
Against:10 "How much stuff winds up on your "cutting room floor"? I know you've said your scripts end up too wordy and have to be trimmed. Do you find that trimming is more often of the 'consolidation' variety or of the "that whole weird tangent about gnome commoners and railguns has to go'? do you keep a notebook/log of cool things you had to snip, in hope to find somewhere else to use it?"
(Consolidated, mostly.)11 0 Include In Favor: Fyraltari, ByzantiumBhuka, Schroeswald, Darth V, Kish, Jaxzan Proditor, Precure, Reboot, WanderingMist, Yendor, Gwynfrid
Against:11 "Do you write the scripts for entire scenes in advance or strip-by-strip? For example did you write Durkon and redcloak's conversation in 1204-1210 all in advance and then separated it into individual pages (adding the necessary punchlines at the end of each strip) ar did you just had a rough idea of where the conversation had to be at the end of each strip and wrote that strip accordingly once the previous one was done? And do you proceed differently for conversations and battles?"
(Both.)12 0 Include In Favor: Fyraltari, ByzantiumBhuka, Schroeswald, Metastachydium, Darth V, Kish, Jaxzan Proditor, Precure, Reboot, WanderingMist, Yendor, Gwynfrid
Against:12 "By contrast, you don’t really engage with your fans on social media very much. Do you think that helps or hurts your comic, and what led you to make that decision?"
(Not that social.)4 7 Vote-able In Favor: ByzantiumBhuka, Schroeswald, Kish, Reboot
Against: Metastachydium, Darth V, Jaxzan Proditor, Precure, WanderingMist, Yendor, Gwynfrid13 "How much of a challenge is it at this point to incorporate DnD rules into the story? I know you've said before that you don't have specific stats for characters (and don't sweat the details about every rule as written for given spells). But a comic like like #928 still requires the general knowledge of "contingency" spells. Is that mostly based on memory/continued experience playing the game? Or do you come up with a storyboarding concept for a given comic first, then figure out how to make it work with DnD rules (looking things up as needed)?"
(Memory bound by apathy, usually.)13 0 Include In Favor: Fyraltari, ByzantiumBhuka, snowblizz, Schroeswald, Metastachydium, Darth V, Kish, Jaxzan Proditor, Precure, Reboot, WanderingMist, Yendor, Gwynfrid
Against:14 "You had much brighter and harsher colors in the older comics, but I like the colors you have now. What made you change the colors you use?"
(Colors evolved alongside art style and desire to publish books.)11 1 Include In Favor: Fyraltari, ByzantiumBhuka, Schroeswald, Darth V, Kish, Jaxzan Proditor, Precure, Reboot, WanderingMist, Yendor, Gwynfrid
Against: Metastachydium
Spoiler: Breakdown by PosterPoster 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 Fyraltari ByzantiumBhuka snowblizz Schroeswald Metastachydium Darth V b_jonas Kish Jaxzan Proditor Precure Reboot WanderingMist Yendor Gwynfrid
Haven't seen any movement for a couple days, so I guess I better draft some entry wording....
Proposed Items for Index 6.9 🍌Azurite Hair is Naturally Blue(#9)
"... I decided to riff on Emerald City from The Wizard of Oz and make almost everything blue, including the hair of many of its inhabitants."#1232 2021/04/27 Tentative, appears will be included without vote. 🍌How Dragons Run in OOTS(#6)
"...I would assume something like a larger dog or even a cat."#1232 2021/04/27 Tentative, appears will be included without vote. 🍌On Animals Being "Mythical"(#4)
"...I'm not sure what would qualify for that since there's been stats printed for pretty much every imaginary monster ever conceived at this point."#1232 2021/04/27 Tentative, appears will be eligible for a vote. 🍌On Scripting by Scene or by Strip(#11)
"In situations where a conversation needs to explicitly move the plot forward, I develop the entire scene ahead of time....But for other sorts of scenes, it's less likely that I script it completely in advance."#1232 2021/04/27 Tentative, appears will be included without vote. 🍌The Giant Hasn't Watched The Walking Dead(#7) #1232 2021/04/27 Tentative, appears will be eligible for a vote. 🍌The Giant on Killing Off Fruit Pie the Sorcerer(#1)
"I wail and gnash my teeth when I think about it, often because I am eating a fruit pie at the time and gnashing teeth is sort of how you do that."#1232 2021/04/27 Tentative, appears will be eligible for a vote. 🍌The Giant's Position on Social Media(#12)
"I write a comic, and the comic is the product, not me."#1232 2021/04/27 Tentative, appears will be eligible for a vote. 🍌There Have Already Been More Than Nine Sides in the Comic(#8)
"This is one of those things that I think has been maybe taken a little bit too literally, as if there are exactly nine factions involved."#1232 2021/04/27 Tentative, appears will be included without vote. 🍌Why Redcloak Thought the Polymorphed Hobgoblin Spy Had to Die(#3)
"...the bottom line is, he was prepared to kill him if he needed to....The exact situation he might have been worried about was probably not clear even to him."#1232 2021/04/27 Tentative, appears will be included without vote. 🍍🍌The Giant Writes Everything Too Long
In his own opinion, at least. See also here(#10) ("When I'm tight on space, I re-evaluate those clarifications to see...if I'm wasting space explaining details that 90% of the audience will get right away.").#980 2015/04/26 Tentative, appears will be included without vote. 🍍🍌The Inspiration for Tarquin was Elan
See also here(#2) ("It was fun to think about how to turn Elan's obsession with stories into something menacing....")#980 2015/04/26 Tentative, appears will be included without vote. 🍍🍌Art Colors can Change
Whether because the Giant doesn't like the old color, or because his system doesn't. See also here(#14) ("I started to pick more realistic colors for the scenery as I began drawing more complex situations, both to sell the scene and to help the characters be the visual focus of a given panel.")#942 2014/01/28 Tentative, appears will be included without vote. 🍍🍌Evolution of D&D Adherence
The Giant hasn't made explicit statements about feats/items since 2008, OOTS' internal consistency is still maintained, and the Giant has no regrets about using D&D in OOTS. See also the flowchart here(#13) "that explains the steps I take in incorporating the D&D rules into the comic's narrative".#886 2013/05/09 Tentative, appears will be included without vote. FeytouchedBanana eldritch disciple avatar by...me!
The Index of the Giant's Comments VI―Making Dogma from Zapped Bananas
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2021-05-07, 01:27 AM (ISO 8601)
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Re: The Index of the Giant's Comments VI―Making Dogma from Zapped Bananas
Of the Giant's Patreon Q&A post 2020-04, I vote to exclude question 1, 4, 5 (Fruit Pie Sorcerer, dinosaurs mythical, more AMFES), include question 2, 3, 14 (enjoy writing Elan, Redcloak and the Goblin who got the phylactery, more muted colors), abstain regarding question 6, 7, 8, 9, 10, 11, 12, 13.
For question 3, I recommend that the summary mentions something like “The fake Phylactery wasn't ready yet, so Redcloak was prepared to lie about when he recaptured the real one.” You can find the facts in the comic, but I haven't put them together, so perhaps other readers haven't either. For question 13, I'd make the statement in the table more explicit, such as “The Giant almost never looks up D&D rules or cares enough to change the script to match the rules.”
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2021-05-09, 05:44 AM (ISO 8601)
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Re: The Index of the Giant's Comments VI―Making Dogma from Zapped Bananas
If #7 makes it in, I would definitely point out that Tsukiko predates the Walking Dead TV show as part of the summary.
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2021-05-10, 01:46 PM (ISO 8601)
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Re: The Index of the Giant's Comments VI―Making Dogma from Zapped Bananas
Okay, that was enough to push #1 and #4 out of the vote-able range....
Spoiler# Question In Favor Against Disposition Posters 1 "Do you regret killing fruit pie?"
(<SarcasmOverflowException/>)4 9 Exclude In Favor: Metastachydium, Kish, Precure, WanderingMist
Against: Fyraltari, ByzantiumBhuka, Schroeswald, Darth V, Jaxzan Proditor, Reboot, Yendor, Gwynfrid, b_jonas2 "Did you enjoy writing for Tarquin? Was is hard to write the pun duel between him and Elan?"
(Yes, and no; respectively.)11 1 Include In Favor: Fyraltari, ByzantiumBhuka, Schroeswald, Metastachydium, Kish, Jaxzan Proditor, Reboot, WanderingMist, Yendor, Gwynfrid, b_jonas
Against: Precure3 "Why did Redcloak think the polymorphed hobgoblin spy had to die? Redcloak ended up telling Xykon that he destroyed the resistance and retrieved the phylactery from them, so there seems to be nothing the spy would know that needed to stay secret. Did he not want Xykon to know he could have destroyed the resistance earlier? Did he have a different plan before he killed Tsukiko? If so, was the original plan?"
(Less risky.)13 0 Include In Favor: Fyraltari, ByzantiumBhuka, Schroeswald, Metastachydium, Darth V, Kish, Jaxzan Proditor, Precure, Reboot, WanderingMist, Yendor, Gwynfrid, b_jonas
Against:4 "Are dinosaurs considered mythical creatures in the OOTS world? Or are they just ordinary animals that happen to exist in the world?"
(No.)3 7 Exclude In Favor: Kish, Reboot, WanderingMist
Against: Fyraltari, Metastachydium, Darth V, Precure, Yendor, Gwynfrid, b_jonas5 "During the Kickstarter event you did two Monsters for Every Season (Autumn 2016 and Winter 2018). I really love them. Have you considered doing more of these and offering them for sale?"
(Yes.)0 10 Exclude In Favor:
Against: Metastachydium, Darth V, Kish, Jaxzan Proditor, Precure, Reboot, WanderingMist, Yendor, Gwynfrid, b_jonas6 "How do dragons run in the OOTS universe? Is it more like a weasel or a lizard? Perhaps dachshunds?"
(Big dogs or cats.)9 0 Include In Favor: Fyraltari, ByzantiumBhuka, Metastachydium, Kish, Jaxzan Proditor, Precure, Reboot, WanderingMist, Gwynfrid
Against:7 "I just started watching The Walking Dead a few months ago. I'm not sure if you have seen it. (Spoilers, sort of, on season 4) There is a character, a young girl, that loves the "walkers", and plays with them. She thinks they are misunderstood. This was in 2014, and I'm not sure what year Tsukiko came on scene. Was she inspired by this, a coincidence, did you think I already wrote that girl, or have you never watched TWD?"
(No.)6 4 Vote-able In Favor: Fyraltari, Metastachydium, Darth V, Kish, Jaxzan Proditor, Reboot
Against: Precure, WanderingMist, Yendor, Gwynfrid8 "In this comic the roaches mention 9 different groups in this conflict. Have all 9 been revealed or are some still hidden?"
(Demonic roaches betrayed you.)12 0 Include In Favor: Fyraltari, ByzantiumBhuka, Schroeswald, Metastachydium, Darth V, Kish, Jaxzan Proditor, Precure, Reboot, WanderingMist, Yendor, Gwynfrid
Against:9 "Do citizens of Azure City/paladins/members of the Sapphire Guard dye their hair/beards shades of blue, or does it grow that color naturally?"
(Natural.)12 0 Include In Favor: Fyraltari, ByzantiumBhuka, Schroeswald, Metastachydium, Darth V, Kish, Jaxzan Proditor, Precure, Reboot, WanderingMist, Yendor, Gwynfrid
Against:10 "How much stuff winds up on your "cutting room floor"? I know you've said your scripts end up too wordy and have to be trimmed. Do you find that trimming is more often of the 'consolidation' variety or of the "that whole weird tangent about gnome commoners and railguns has to go'? do you keep a notebook/log of cool things you had to snip, in hope to find somewhere else to use it?"
(Consolidated, mostly.)11 0 Include In Favor: Fyraltari, ByzantiumBhuka, Schroeswald, Darth V, Kish, Jaxzan Proditor, Precure, Reboot, WanderingMist, Yendor, Gwynfrid
Against:11 "Do you write the scripts for entire scenes in advance or strip-by-strip? For example did you write Durkon and redcloak's conversation in 1204-1210 all in advance and then separated it into individual pages (adding the necessary punchlines at the end of each strip) ar did you just had a rough idea of where the conversation had to be at the end of each strip and wrote that strip accordingly once the previous one was done? And do you proceed differently for conversations and battles?"
(Both.)12 0 Include In Favor: Fyraltari, ByzantiumBhuka, Schroeswald, Metastachydium, Darth V, Kish, Jaxzan Proditor, Precure, Reboot, WanderingMist, Yendor, Gwynfrid
Against:12 "By contrast, you don’t really engage with your fans on social media very much. Do you think that helps or hurts your comic, and what led you to make that decision?"
(Not that social.)4 7 Vote-able In Favor: ByzantiumBhuka, Schroeswald, Kish, Reboot
Against: Metastachydium, Darth V, Jaxzan Proditor, Precure, WanderingMist, Yendor, Gwynfrid13 "How much of a challenge is it at this point to incorporate DnD rules into the story? I know you've said before that you don't have specific stats for characters (and don't sweat the details about every rule as written for given spells). But a comic like like #928 still requires the general knowledge of "contingency" spells. Is that mostly based on memory/continued experience playing the game? Or do you come up with a storyboarding concept for a given comic first, then figure out how to make it work with DnD rules (looking things up as needed)?"
(Memory bound by apathy, usually.)13 0 Include In Favor: Fyraltari, ByzantiumBhuka, snowblizz, Schroeswald, Metastachydium, Darth V, Kish, Jaxzan Proditor, Precure, Reboot, WanderingMist, Yendor, Gwynfrid
Against:14 "You had much brighter and harsher colors in the older comics, but I like the colors you have now. What made you change the colors you use?"
(Colors evolved alongside art style and desire to publish books.)12 1 Include In Favor: Fyraltari, ByzantiumBhuka, Schroeswald, Darth V, Kish, Jaxzan Proditor, Precure, Reboot, WanderingMist, Yendor, Gwynfrid, b_jonas
Against: Metastachydium
Spoiler: Breakdown by PosterPoster 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 Fyraltari ByzantiumBhuka snowblizz Schroeswald Metastachydium Darth V Kish Jaxzan Proditor Precure Reboot WanderingMist Yendor Gwynfrid b_jonas
That sounds like it'd undercut the "didn't know exactly what he was worried about" point. (Also sounds well suited for TheWombatOfDoom's annotated companion guide.)
Seems reasonable!
The comic series the TV series is based on predates Tsukiko, though; I'm not sure how effective the chronology is going to be, here. Still, the entry would benefit from a description...maybe there's a compromise that doesn't call for quoting the entire thing.
So with some removals and some rewording based on the last couple posts....
Proposed Items for Index 6.9 🍌Azurite Hair is Naturally Blue(#9)
"... I decided to riff on Emerald City from The Wizard of Oz and make almost everything blue, including the hair of many of its inhabitants."#1232 2021/04/27 Tentative, appears will be included without vote. 🍌How Dragons Run in OOTS(#6)
"...I would assume something like a larger dog or even a cat."#1232 2021/04/27 Tentative, appears will be included without vote. 🍌On Scripting by Scene or by Strip(#11)
"In situations where a conversation needs to explicitly move the plot forward, I develop the entire scene ahead of time....But for other sorts of scenes, it's less likely that I script it completely in advance."#1232 2021/04/27 Tentative, appears will be included without vote. 🍌The Giant Hasn't Watched The Walking Dead(#7)
"So if there's any connection there, it was the other way around."#1232 2021/04/27 Tentative, appears will be eligible for a vote. 🍌The Giant's Position on Social Media(#12)
"I write a comic, and the comic is the product, not me."#1232 2021/04/27 Tentative, appears will be eligible for a vote. 🍌There Have Already Been More Than Nine Sides in the Comic(#8)
"This is one of those things that I think has been maybe taken a little bit too literally, as if there are exactly nine factions involved."#1232 2021/04/27 Tentative, appears will be included without vote. 🍌Why Redcloak Thought the Polymorphed Hobgoblin Spy Had to Die(#3)
"...the bottom line is, he was prepared to kill him if he needed to....The exact situation he might have been worried about was probably not clear even to him."#1232 2021/04/27 Tentative, appears will be included without vote. 🍍🍌The Giant Writes Everything Too Long
In his own opinion, at least. See also here(#10) ("When I'm tight on space, I re-evaluate those clarifications to see...if I'm wasting space explaining details that 90% of the audience will get right away.").#980 2015/04/26 Tentative, appears will be included without vote. 🍍🍌The Inspiration for Tarquin was Elan
See also here(#2) ("It was fun to think about how to turn Elan's obsession with stories into something menacing....")#980 2015/04/26 Tentative, appears will be included without vote. 🍍🍌Art Colors can Change
Whether because the Giant doesn't like the old color, or because his system doesn't. See also here(#14) ("I started to pick more realistic colors for the scenery as I began drawing more complex situations, both to sell the scene and to help the characters be the visual focus of a given panel.")#942 2014/01/28 Tentative, appears will be included without vote. 🍍🍌Evolution of D&D Adherence
The Giant hasn't made explicit statements about feats/items since 2008, OOTS' internal consistency is still maintained, and the Giant has no regrets about using D&D in OOTS. See also here(#13): D&D rules used in the comic are "entirely based on memory".#886 2013/05/09 Tentative, appears will be included without vote.
What's everyone think?FeytouchedBanana eldritch disciple avatar by...me!
The Index of the Giant's Comments VI―Making Dogma from Zapped Bananas
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2021-05-12, 08:41 PM (ISO 8601)
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Re: The Index of the Giant's Comments VI―Making Dogma from Zapped Bananas
Hmm. Okay then....
UPDATE COMING, CALLING FOR PMs TO REQUIRE VOTES
Anyone thinking entries marked "Accepting PMs to require vote" should not be included in the Index should send me a private message, saying the entries should require a vote. (The default is to include, an item not voted on will be included in the Index.) If I get PMs from two or more people about a particular entry, it will be voted on to decide inclusion; the vote will be the next stage, and I'll announce it when the vote is ready.
The other entries below reached strong consensus already. A vote is considered unnecessary in that case; they will be included.
Proposed Items for Index 6.9 🍌Azurite Hair is Naturally Blue(#9)
"... I decided to riff on Emerald City from The Wizard of Oz and make almost everything blue, including the hair of many of its inhabitants."#1232 2021/04/27 No vote required, will be included. 🍌How Dragons Run in OOTS(#6)
"...I would assume something like a larger dog or even a cat."#1232 2021/04/27 No vote required, will be included. 🍌On Scripting by Scene or by Strip(#11)
"In situations where a conversation needs to explicitly move the plot forward, I develop the entire scene ahead of time....But for other sorts of scenes, it's less likely that I script it completely in advance."#1232 2021/04/27 No vote required, will be included. 🍌The Giant Hasn't Watched The Walking Dead(#7)
"So if there's any connection there, it was the other way around."#1232 2021/04/27 Accepting PMs to require vote.Will be included.🍌The Giant's Position on Social Media(#12)
"I write a comic, and the comic is the product, not me."#1232 2021/04/27 Accepting PMs to require vote.PM threshold met, vote required.🍌There Have Already Been More Than Nine Sides in the Comic(#8)
"This is one of those things that I think has been maybe taken a little bit too literally, as if there are exactly nine factions involved."#1232 2021/04/27 No vote required, will be included. 🍌Why Redcloak Thought the Polymorphed Hobgoblin Spy Had to Die(#3)
"...the bottom line is, he was prepared to kill him if he needed to....The exact situation he might have been worried about was probably not clear even to him."#1232 2021/04/27 No vote required, will be included. 🍍🍌The Giant Writes Everything Too Long
In his own opinion, at least. See also here(#10) ("When I'm tight on space, I re-evaluate those clarifications to see...if I'm wasting space explaining details that 90% of the audience will get right away.").#980 2015/04/26 No vote required, will be included. 🍍🍌The Inspiration for Tarquin was Elan
See also here(#2) ("It was fun to think about how to turn Elan's obsession with stories into something menacing....")#980 2015/04/26 No vote required, will be included. 🍍🍌Art Colors can Change
Whether because the Giant doesn't like the old color, or because his system doesn't. See also here(#14) ("I started to pick more realistic colors for the scenery as I began drawing more complex situations, both to sell the scene and to help the characters be the visual focus of a given panel.")#942 2014/01/28 No vote required, will be included. 🍍🍌Evolution of D&D Adherence
The Giant hasn't made explicit statements about feats/items since 2008, OOTS' internal consistency is still maintained, and the Giant has no regrets about using D&D in OOTS. See also here(#13): D&D rules used in the comic are "entirely based on memory".#886 2013/05/09 No vote required, will be included.
PMs will be accepted until May 14th, 9PM EDT. I'll try to update the table if/when entries get sufficient PMs.
To send me a PM, click my username (The vaguely-pronounceable(?)-looking word above the spellcasting-and-invocation-using banana with purple hair) and select "Private Message". Or I guess you could click here. Anyway, include the title of the entries you're nominating in the message. Mentioning something about "Index Nomination" in the subject line would be helpful.
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- Don't post suggestions to require votes. They're sent by PM to avoid filling up the thread with them, posts will not be counted.
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- We're not voting on the entries yet. The voting will be the next stage; I'll call for the vote at an appropriate time.
- We still have a banana in charge. Hi. (I neither confirm nor deny a zapped status.)
Further discussion of entries is encouraged at this point. In particular, recommendations for different titles and descriptions for the quote entries are things I'd be happy to consider.Last edited by Jasdoif; 2021-05-14 at 08:01 PM.
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The Index of the Giant's Comments VI―Making Dogma from Zapped Bananas
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2021-05-14, 08:04 PM (ISO 8601)
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Re: The Index of the Giant's Comments VI―Making Dogma from Zapped Bananas
And we've got another vote!
Item up for voting:
🍌The Giant's Position on Social Media(#12)
"I write a comic, and the comic is the product, not me."#1232 2021/04/27
- Please bold your yes/no vote, it'll make it easier for me to notice when I go through and count everything.
- Votes must be posted (as in, not PM-ed to me) to be counted.
- Please avoid discussing the quote itself, outside of giving an explanation for your vote in the same post as your vote. This'll make it easier to catch up after the vote, if a new quote comes along while we're still voting.
- Per Rule F4, inclusion by vote requires a quote to have two more votes in favor than votes against.
Voting will be open until May 17th, 9PM EDT.
The other ten entries will go into the Index after the vote is concluded.FeytouchedBanana eldritch disciple avatar by...me!
The Index of the Giant's Comments VI―Making Dogma from Zapped Bananas
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2021-05-14, 10:31 PM (ISO 8601)
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Re: The Index of the Giant's Comments VI―Making Dogma from Zapped Bananas
Yes, include.
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Re: The Index of the Giant's Comments VI―Making Dogma from Zapped Bananas
No, exclude.
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Re: The Index of the Giant's Comments VI―Making Dogma from Zapped Bananas
Yes, include.
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2021-05-15, 07:47 AM (ISO 8601)
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Re: The Index of the Giant's Comments VI―Making Dogma from Zapped Bananas
No, exclude.
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Re: The Index of the Giant's Comments VI―Making Dogma from Zapped Bananas
Yes, include.
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I just want to be part of history.
Arin, God of Nothing, votes Yes.
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Re: The Index of the Giant's Comments VI―Making Dogma from Zapped Bananas
Yes, include.
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2021-05-15, 06:28 PM (ISO 8601)
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Re: The Index of the Giant's Comments VI―Making Dogma from Zapped Bananas
And votes of the Snowblizz jury gives 12 points to... Yes, Include
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Re: The Index of the Giant's Comments VI―Making Dogma from Zapped Bananas
I lean on the side of No.
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2021-05-15, 10:54 PM (ISO 8601)
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Re: The Index of the Giant's Comments VI―Making Dogma from Zapped Bananas
I don't understand how the Giant asking that he not be the focus of comic fandom belongs in an index focused on comic fandom. arimareiji, demi-deity of sarcastic pedantry, votes No.
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2021-05-16, 08:21 AM (ISO 8601)
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Re: The Index of the Giant's Comments VI―Making Dogma from Zapped Bananas
This quote is much more about the Giant than about the comic.
I vote No.
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2021-05-16, 08:33 AM (ISO 8601)
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Re: The Index of the Giant's Comments VI―Making Dogma from Zapped Bananas
Damn, the suspense is griping.
Anyway, I think we ought not discuss the Giant's life outside of the comic, so I vote No.Forum Wisdom
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Re: The Index of the Giant's Comments VI―Making Dogma from Zapped Bananas
I concur with the above, my vote is also No.
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Re: The Index of the Giant's Comments VI―Making Dogma from Zapped Bananas
No, exclude.