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Re: The Index of the Giant's Comments VI―Making Dogma from Zapped Bananas
Arrrgh, here be me extended sig!
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Re: The Index of the Giant's Comments VI―Making Dogma from Zapped Bananas
In my opinion, the ambiguity itself is helpful. It helps to know that The Giant wasn’t deliberately intending for it to be established either way.
If I can answer “Yes” to both of the following questions:
1) Can I expect this to come up in discussion?
2) Would I cite this post if it came up?
then I typically vote to include.Number of Character Appearances VII - To Absent Friends
Currently playing a level 20 aasimar necromancer named Zebulun Salathiel and a level 9 goliath diviner named Lo-Kag.
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2020-03-06, 04:19 PM (ISO 8601)
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Re: The Index of the Giant's Comments VI―Making Dogma from Zapped Bananas
Okay, let's see how well this new way of tracking/displaying opinions works...Admittedly I was more thinking tracking actual votes with it; but at 32 questions and the possibility (however slight) of this volume being a monthly exercise, I figure I should work out bugs in advance....
In case anyone's missed it: The Giant's Patreon supporters can post questions over there, and the Giant will answer some of them monthly for everyone to see; we're currently going through the February 2020 questions.
Spoiler: Understandably it's rather big....
# Question In Favor Against Disposition Voters 1 "May I use Elan for my Patreon avatar?"
(Yes.)0 8 Exclude In Favor:
Against: Schroeswald, Doug Lampert, Gwynfrid, Grey_Wolf_c, Personification, Zherog, Fyraltari, Precure2 "Do you know how is it gonna end? If yes, since when?"
(Yes, since the Scribble drawings.)4 4 Vote-able In Favor: Gwynfrid, Personification, Zherog, Fyraltari
Against: Schroeswald, Doug Lampert, Grey_Wolf_c, Precure3 "...will we actually get an answer to what the thing in the darkness is?"
(Yes.)4 4 Vote-able In Favor: Gwynfrid, Personification, Zherog, Fyraltari
Against: Schroeswald, Doug Lampert, Grey_Wolf_c, Precure4 "Why is Roy the only one who seems to have perspective-scaled footwear?"
(He doesn't, it's just disproportionate.)5 2 Include In Favor: Doug Lampert, Gwynfrid, Personification, Zherog, Fyraltari
Against: Grey_Wolf_c, Precure5 "What inspired the idea of mummies repeating the words said around them?"
(A desire to shock Vaarsuvius without in-world intent.)7 1 Include In Favor: Schroeswald, Doug Lampert, Gwynfrid, Grey_Wolf_c, Personification, Zherog, Fyraltari
Against: Precure6 "Is there any chance V being genderqueer will be mentioned on-panel?"
(Not really.)6 1 Include In Favor: Gwynfrid, Grey_Wolf_c, Personification, Zherog, Fyraltari, Precure
Against: Doug Lampert7 "We've seen a lot about most characters' families. Are there plans to learn more about Belkar's?"
(No.)6 1 Include In Favor: Doug Lampert, Gwynfrid, Grey_Wolf_c, Personification, Zherog, Fyraltari
Against: Precure8 "When you finish OOTS, will you go back and remaster the earlier comics?"
(No.)3 4 Vote-able In Favor: Gwynfrid, Personification, Zherog
Against: Doug Lampert, Grey_Wolf_c, Fyraltari, Precure9 "Have you ever considered an animated series?"
(“Considered” yes, “pursuing” no.)4 4 Vote-able In Favor: Gwynfrid, Personification, Zherog, Fyraltari
Against: Schroeswald, Doug Lampert, Grey_Wolf_c, Precure10 "...do you have any ideas for future projects once OOTS wraps up? Some other writing ventures, perhaps?"
(Yes, but haven't decided specifics yet.)3 5 Vote-able In Favor: Schroeswald, Personification, Zherog
Against: Doug Lampert, Gwynfrid, Grey_Wolf_c, Fyraltari, Precure11 "Have you considered making a OotS campaign world supplement for D&D (or other games)?"
(Yes, even started on it; but decided against it later.)2 6 Exclude In Favor: Personification, Zherog
Against: Schroeswald, Doug Lampert, Gwynfrid, Grey_Wolf_c, Fyraltari, Precure12 "Have you ever considered (after OOTS is done) putting together some parts of your book commentaries and some new material for a book on writing fantasy sagas?"
(No.)1 7 Exclude In Favor: Personification
Against: Schroeswald, Doug Lampert, Gwynfrid, Grey_Wolf_c, Zherog, Fyraltari, Precure13 "What can you share about future plans and upcoming sets of your "Monster for Every Season" minis?"
(Starting on “Summer 2” now.)1 7 Exclude In Favor: Personification
Against: Schroeswald, Doug Lampert, Gwynfrid, Grey_Wolf_c, Zherog, Fyraltari, Precure14 "Will the setting that you submitted to WOTC for the Fantasy Setting Search ever come to light?"
(Probably not.)1 7 Exclude In Favor: Personification
Against: Schroeswald, Doug Lampert, Gwynfrid, Grey_Wolf_c, Zherog, Fyraltari, Precure15 "Why is your silly stick figure parody one of my favorite fantasy stories of all time?"
((insert Giant Self-Deprecation(TM) here))1 7 Exclude In Favor: Personification
Against: Schroeswald, Doug Lampert, Gwynfrid, Grey_Wolf_c, Zherog, Fyraltari, Precure16 "Is OOTS based on a real table top game?"
(No.)3 5 Vote-able In Favor: Gwynfrid, Personification, Fyraltari
Against: Schroeswald, Doug Lampert, Grey_Wolf_c, Zherog, Precure17 "When you first started writing OOTS, did you think you were signing up for a 17+ year journey? How much of the plot did you have in mind when you wrote the first strip?"
(No, and none. (The Elven pantheon being an example of post-planning))7 2 Include In Favor: Schroeswald, hroţila, Doug Lampert, Gwynfrid, Personification, Zherog, Fyraltari
Against: Grey_Wolf_c, Precure18 "What exactly was going on in Vampire Durkon's mind when he was a thrall?"
(An impression of Malack's expectations.)8 1 Include In Favor: Schroeswald, hroţila, Doug Lampert, Gwynfrid, Grey_Wolf_c, Personification, Zherog, Fyraltari
Against: Precure19 "Did you ever consider not restoring Durkon, so he would have remained as an undead for the rest of the story?"
(Never.)5 3 Vote-able In Favor: Gwynfrid, Grey_Wolf_c, Personification, Zherog, Fyraltari
Against: Schroeswald, Doug Lampert, Precure20 "Are the three souls that were spliced to V when V fought the dragon from previous versions of the world?"
(Maybe?)7 3 Include In Favor: Doug Lampert, Gwynfrid, Personification, Zherog, Fyraltari, mjasghar, Emanick
Against: Schroeswald, Grey_Wolf_c, Precure21 "Do you still map out combat scenes like Miko's rumble in the rain?"
(No.)5 3 Vote-able In Favor: Schroeswald, Gwynfrid, Personification, Zherog, Fyraltari
Against: Doug Lampert, Grey_Wolf_c, Precure22 "Do you handle XP according to DnD rules, or is it more about moving at the speed of plot? When you had Hilgya kill Durkon an extra time, was there an element of purposefully lowering his level? Or, his level set to whatever level it needs to be for him to have access to whatever spells & consistency the plot needs?"
(No. Hilgya killed Durkon because it was funny and true to her character.)4 4 Vote-able In Favor: Gwynfrid, Personification, Zherog, Fyraltari
Against: Schroeswald, Doug Lampert, Grey_Wolf_c, Precure23 "Do you have a home game currently?"
(No.)1 7 Exclude In Favor: Personification
Against: Schroeswald, Doug Lampert, Gwynfrid, Grey_Wolf_c, Zherog, Fyraltari, Precure24 "You've done some writing for the actual canonical D&D books. Do you have a favorite piece of content that you contributed to the game rules?"
(Chapters in Dungeonscape, and a table in Explorer's Handbook.)3 5 Vote-able In Favor: Grey_Wolf_c, Personification, Zherog
Against: Schroeswald, Doug Lampert, Gwynfrid, Fyraltari, Precure25 "Since you started and even prior D&D has changed a bunch (both rules and culturally as well). What is your opinion about the game and the direction it's taking?"
(Bad person to ask.)1 7 Exclude In Favor: Personification
Against: Schroeswald, Doug Lampert, Gwynfrid, Grey_Wolf_c, Zherog, Fyraltari, Precure26 "Do you consume a lot / enough (for a fitting definition of that word) of webcomics of other authors and would you say it's imperative for "good" webcomic writing?"
(“Webcomics” aren't a thing.)6 2 Include In Favor: Schroeswald, Gwynfrid, Grey_Wolf_c, Personification, Zherog, Fyraltari
Against: Doug Lampert, Precure27 "Do serious "grim-dark" style bards exist as well in the oots universe?"
(Nothing both grim-dark and serious exists in OOTS-World.)6 2 Include In Favor: Schroeswald, Doug Lampert, Gwynfrid, Personification, Zherog, Fyraltari
Against: Grey_Wolf_c, Precure28 "What is Elan's mother's name?"
(Deliberately undefined.)7 1 Include In Favor: Schroeswald, Doug Lampert, Gwynfrid, Grey_Wolf_c, Personification, Zherog, Fyraltari
Against: Precure29 "Will it ever be revealed how Tarquin and Elan's mother managed to get married and have children together? I'm re-reading BitF and a line from Utterly Dwarfed stuck out to me too, about how it was an unresolved plot point. "
(Potentially; but it isn't an unresolved plot point at all.)4 4 Vote-able In Favor: Gwynfrid, Personification, Zherog, Fyraltari
Against: Schroeswald, Doug Lampert, Grey_Wolf_c, Precure30 "How do you manage pacing and timing of the story (and the humour) in such small pieces over so long a time?"
(A panel structure, and a reason to exist, for each strip.)6 2 Include In Favor: Schroeswald, Gwynfrid, Grey_Wolf_c, Personification, Zherog, Fyraltari
Against: Doug Lampert, Precure31 "Who is your favorite character to write? Whose arc has (thus-far) been the most satisfying to write?"
(Favorite, whoever's been written. Most fun with Zhou Bo.)5 2 Include In Favor: Gwynfrid, Grey_Wolf_c, Personification, Zherog, Fyraltari
Against: Doug Lampert, Precure32 "Was there something in your work that you paid special attention to/worked hard, thought it was really cool or awesome, but the reception was totally different than what you thought it would be - maybe the audience ignored or hated it."
(Most everything has at least one outlandish reaction.)5 2 Include In Favor: Gwynfrid, Grey_Wolf_c, Personification, Zherog, Fyraltari
Against: Doug Lampert, Precure
Voter 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 25 26 27 28 29 30 31 32 Schroeswald hroţila Doug Lampert Gwynfrid Grey_Wolf_c Personification Zherog Fyraltari Precure mjasghar Emanick FeytouchedBanana eldritch disciple avatar by...me!
The Index of the Giant's Comments VI―Making Dogma from Zapped Bananas
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2020-03-06, 04:27 PM (ISO 8601)
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Re: The Index of the Giant's Comments VI―Making Dogma from Zapped Bananas
I don’t get the smileys. What do they represent and why are they different sizes?
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2020-03-06, 04:34 PM (ISO 8601)
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Re: The Index of the Giant's Comments VI―Making Dogma from Zapped Bananas
They represent the individual yes( )/no( ) per person per question and...apparently the forum is shrinking some of them in a failed attempt to get all of them to fit on the screen, because I'm certainly not resizing them and they're all normal/correct size on the preview and on the "topic review" here on the posting screen....
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2020-03-06, 06:57 PM (ISO 8601)
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Re: The Index of the Giant's Comments VI―Making Dogma from Zapped Bananas
I would say the table cell width is determined by the text content and the smileys are forced into that size. the small ones are all with the single digit numbered questions.
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2020-03-06, 07:21 PM (ISO 8601)
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Re: The Index of the Giant's Comments VI―Making Dogma from Zapped Bananas
Peculiar. They're all the same standard small size to my visuals.
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2020-03-06, 07:28 PM (ISO 8601)
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Re: The Index of the Giant's Comments VI―Making Dogma from Zapped Bananas
Looks like it's both....There's a CSS rule limiting image widths to the containing space, but that'll only come up if there's not enough room to size all the columns to fit all their content on one page width; and if that happens the browser'll try to squeeze it as much as possible...and since the images can be shrunk (because of the CSS rule) the text content is the defining factor. (Like, if I change the zoom setting on my browser enough to fit the table on one screen, it's all fine)
Guess I need to decide on some alternate symbols and/or if I should worry about it unless/until the next Q&A set has this problem.FeytouchedBanana eldritch disciple avatar by...me!
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I guess, in the interest of potentially moving some entries into or out of voting range, I’ll say that I’m against including 2, 3, 9, 10, 19, 24, and 29. and in favor of 8, 16
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2020-03-07, 09:45 AM (ISO 8601)
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Re: The Index of the Giant's Comments VI―Making Dogma from Zapped Bananas
I guess it'd be an improvement over what's happening to the smilies....
Spoiler: Let's See!
# Question In Favor Against Disposition Voters 1 "May I use Elan for my Patreon avatar?"
(Yes.)0 9 Exclude In Favor:
Against: Schroeswald, Doug Lampert, Gwynfrid, Grey_Wolf_c, Personification, Zherog, Fyraltari, Precure, Joerg2 "Do you know how is it gonna end? If yes, since when?"
(Yes, since the Scribble drawings.)4 6 Vote-able In Favor: Gwynfrid, Personification, Zherog, Fyraltari
Against: Schroeswald, Doug Lampert, Grey_Wolf_c, Precure, Jaxzan Proditor, Joerg3 "...will we actually get an answer to what the thing in the darkness is?"
(Yes.)4 6 Vote-able In Favor: Gwynfrid, Personification, Zherog, Fyraltari
Against: Schroeswald, Doug Lampert, Grey_Wolf_c, Precure, Jaxzan Proditor, Joerg4 "Why is Roy the only one who seems to have perspective-scaled footwear?"
(He doesn't, it's just disproportionate.)6 2 Include In Favor: Doug Lampert, Gwynfrid, Personification, Zherog, Fyraltari, Joerg
Against: Grey_Wolf_c, Precure5 "What inspired the idea of mummies repeating the words said around them?"
(A desire to shock Vaarsuvius without in-world intent.)8 1 Include In Favor: Schroeswald, Doug Lampert, Gwynfrid, Grey_Wolf_c, Personification, Zherog, Fyraltari, Joerg
Against: Precure6 "Is there any chance V being genderqueer will be mentioned on-panel?"
(Not really.)7 1 Include In Favor: Gwynfrid, Grey_Wolf_c, Personification, Zherog, Fyraltari, Precure, Joerg
Against: Doug Lampert7 "We've seen a lot about most characters' families. Are there plans to learn more about Belkar's?"
(No.)7 1 Include In Favor: Doug Lampert, Gwynfrid, Grey_Wolf_c, Personification, Zherog, Fyraltari, Joerg
Against: Precure8 "When you finish OOTS, will you go back and remaster the earlier comics?"
(No.)5 4 Vote-able In Favor: Gwynfrid, Personification, Zherog, Jaxzan Proditor, Joerg
Against: Doug Lampert, Grey_Wolf_c, Fyraltari, Precure9 "Have you ever considered an animated series?"
(“Considered” yes, “pursuing” no.)5 5 Vote-able In Favor: Gwynfrid, Personification, Zherog, Fyraltari, Joerg
Against: Schroeswald, Doug Lampert, Grey_Wolf_c, Precure, Jaxzan Proditor10 "...do you have any ideas for future projects once OOTS wraps up? Some other writing ventures, perhaps?"
(Yes, but haven't decided specifics yet.)4 6 Vote-able In Favor: Schroeswald, Personification, Zherog, Joerg
Against: Doug Lampert, Gwynfrid, Grey_Wolf_c, Fyraltari, Precure, Jaxzan Proditor11 "Have you considered making a OotS campaign world supplement for D&D (or other games)?"
(Yes, even started on it; but decided against it later.)2 7 Exclude In Favor: Personification, Zherog
Against: Schroeswald, Doug Lampert, Gwynfrid, Grey_Wolf_c, Fyraltari, Precure, Joerg12 "Have you ever considered (after OOTS is done) putting together some parts of your book commentaries and some new material for a book on writing fantasy sagas?"
(No.)1 8 Exclude In Favor: Personification
Against: Schroeswald, Doug Lampert, Gwynfrid, Grey_Wolf_c, Zherog, Fyraltari, Precure, Joerg13 "What can you share about future plans and upcoming sets of your "Monster for Every Season" minis?"
(Starting on “Summer 2” now.)1 8 Exclude In Favor: Personification
Against: Schroeswald, Doug Lampert, Gwynfrid, Grey_Wolf_c, Zherog, Fyraltari, Precure, Joerg14 "Will the setting that you submitted to WOTC for the Fantasy Setting Search ever come to light?"
(Probably not.)1 8 Exclude In Favor: Personification
Against: Schroeswald, Doug Lampert, Gwynfrid, Grey_Wolf_c, Zherog, Fyraltari, Precure, Joerg15 "Why is your silly stick figure parody one of my favorite fantasy stories of all time?"
((insert Giant Self-Deprecation(TM) here))1 8 Exclude In Favor: Personification
Against: Schroeswald, Doug Lampert, Gwynfrid, Grey_Wolf_c, Zherog, Fyraltari, Precure, Joerg16 "Is OOTS based on a real table top game?"
(No.)4 6 Vote-able In Favor: Gwynfrid, Personification, Fyraltari, Jaxzan Proditor
Against: Schroeswald, Doug Lampert, Grey_Wolf_c, Zherog, Precure, Joerg17 "When you first started writing OOTS, did you think you were signing up for a 17+ year journey? How much of the plot did you have in mind when you wrote the first strip?"
(No, and none. (The Elven pantheon being an example of post-planning))8 2 Include In Favor: Schroeswald, hroţila, Doug Lampert, Gwynfrid, Personification, Zherog, Fyraltari, Joerg
Against: Grey_Wolf_c, Precure18 "What exactly was going on in Vampire Durkon's mind when he was a thrall?"
(An impression of Malack's expectations.)9 1 Include In Favor: Schroeswald, hroţila, Doug Lampert, Gwynfrid, Grey_Wolf_c, Personification, Zherog, Fyraltari, Joerg
Against: Precure19 "Did you ever consider not restoring Durkon, so he would have remained as an undead for the rest of the story?"
(Never.)6 4 Vote-able In Favor: Gwynfrid, Grey_Wolf_c, Personification, Zherog, Fyraltari, Joerg
Against: Schroeswald, Doug Lampert, Precure, Jaxzan Proditor20 "Are the three souls that were spliced to V when V fought the dragon from previous versions of the world?"
(Maybe?)8 3 Include In Favor: Doug Lampert, Gwynfrid, Personification, Zherog, Fyraltari, mjasghar, Emanick, Joerg
Against: Schroeswald, Grey_Wolf_c, Precure21 "Do you still map out combat scenes like Miko's rumble in the rain?"
(No.)6 3 Include In Favor: Schroeswald, Gwynfrid, Personification, Zherog, Fyraltari, Joerg
Against: Doug Lampert, Grey_Wolf_c, Precure22 "Do you handle XP according to DnD rules, or is it more about moving at the speed of plot? When you had Hilgya kill Durkon an extra time, was there an element of purposefully lowering his level? Or, his level set to whatever level it needs to be for him to have access to whatever spells & consistency the plot needs?"
(No. Hilgya killed Durkon because it was funny and true to her character.)5 4 Vote-able In Favor: Gwynfrid, Personification, Zherog, Fyraltari, Joerg
Against: Schroeswald, Doug Lampert, Grey_Wolf_c, Precure23 "Do you have a home game currently?"
(No.)1 8 Exclude In Favor: Personification
Against: Schroeswald, Doug Lampert, Gwynfrid, Grey_Wolf_c, Zherog, Fyraltari, Precure, Joerg24 "You've done some writing for the actual canonical D&D books. Do you have a favorite piece of content that you contributed to the game rules?"
(Chapters in Dungeonscape, and a table in Explorer's Handbook.)3 7 Exclude In Favor: Grey_Wolf_c, Personification, Zherog
Against: Schroeswald, Doug Lampert, Gwynfrid, Fyraltari, Precure, Jaxzan Proditor, Joerg25 "Since you started and even prior D&D has changed a bunch (both rules and culturally as well). What is your opinion about the game and the direction it's taking?"
(Bad person to ask.)1 8 Exclude In Favor: Personification
Against: Schroeswald, Doug Lampert, Gwynfrid, Grey_Wolf_c, Zherog, Fyraltari, Precure, Joerg26 "Do you consume a lot / enough (for a fitting definition of that word) of webcomics of other authors and would you say it's imperative for "good" webcomic writing?"
(“Webcomics” aren't a thing.)7 2 Include In Favor: Schroeswald, Gwynfrid, Grey_Wolf_c, Personification, Zherog, Fyraltari, Joerg
Against: Doug Lampert, Precure27 "Do serious "grim-dark" style bards exist as well in the oots universe?"
(Nothing both grim-dark and serious exists in OOTS-World.)7 2 Include In Favor: Schroeswald, Doug Lampert, Gwynfrid, Personification, Zherog, Fyraltari, Joerg
Against: Grey_Wolf_c, Precure28 "What is Elan's mother's name?"
(Deliberately undefined.)8 1 Include In Favor: Schroeswald, Doug Lampert, Gwynfrid, Grey_Wolf_c, Personification, Zherog, Fyraltari, Joerg
Against: Precure29 "Will it ever be revealed how Tarquin and Elan's mother managed to get married and have children together? I'm re-reading BitF and a line from Utterly Dwarfed stuck out to me too, about how it was an unresolved plot point. "
(Potentially; but it isn't an unresolved plot point at all.)5 5 Vote-able In Favor: Gwynfrid, Personification, Zherog, Fyraltari, Joerg
Against: Schroeswald, Doug Lampert, Grey_Wolf_c, Precure, Jaxzan Proditor30 "How do you manage pacing and timing of the story (and the humour) in such small pieces over so long a time?"
(A panel structure, and a reason to exist, for each strip.)7 2 Include In Favor: Schroeswald, Gwynfrid, Grey_Wolf_c, Personification, Zherog, Fyraltari, Joerg
Against: Doug Lampert, Precure31 "Who is your favorite character to write? Whose arc has (thus-far) been the most satisfying to write?"
(Favorite, whoever's been written. Most fun with Zhou Bo.)6 2 Include In Favor: Gwynfrid, Grey_Wolf_c, Personification, Zherog, Fyraltari, Joerg
Against: Doug Lampert, Precure32 "Was there something in your work that you paid special attention to/worked hard, thought it was really cool or awesome, but the reception was totally different than what you thought it would be - maybe the audience ignored or hated it."
(Most everything has at least one outlandish reaction.)6 2 Include In Favor: Gwynfrid, Grey_Wolf_c, Personification, Zherog, Fyraltari, Joerg
Against: Doug Lampert, Precure
Individual VotesVoter 01 02 03 04 05 06 07 08 09 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 25 26 27 28 29 30 31 32 Schroeswald hroţila Doug Lampert Gwynfrid Grey_Wolf_c Personification Zherog Fyraltari Precure mjasghar Emanick Jaxzan Proditor Joerg FeytouchedBanana eldritch disciple avatar by...me!
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2020-03-07, 01:43 PM (ISO 8601)
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Interested in MitD? Join us in MitD's thread.There is a world of imagination
Deep in the corners of your mind
Where reality is an intruder
And myth and legend thrive
Ceterum autem censeo Hilgya malefica est
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Re: The Index of the Giant's Comments VI―Making Dogma from Zapped Bananas
'kay!
Spoiler: Summary# Question Yes Votes No Votes Disposition Voters 1 "May I use Elan for my Patreon avatar?"
(Yes.)0 9 Exclude Yes Votes:
No Votes: Schroeswald, Doug Lampert, Gwynfrid, Grey_Wolf_c, Personification, Zherog, Fyraltari, Precure, Joerg2 "Do you know how is it gonna end? If yes, since when?"
(Yes, since the Scribble drawings.)4 6 Vote-able Yes Votes: Gwynfrid, Personification, Zherog, Fyraltari
No Votes: Schroeswald, Doug Lampert, Grey_Wolf_c, Precure, Jaxzan Proditor, Joerg3 "...will we actually get an answer to what the thing in the darkness is?"
(Yes.)4 6 Vote-able Yes Votes: Gwynfrid, Personification, Zherog, Fyraltari
No Votes: Schroeswald, Doug Lampert, Grey_Wolf_c, Precure, Jaxzan Proditor, Joerg4 "Why is Roy the only one who seems to have perspective-scaled footwear?"
(He doesn't, it's just disproportionate.)6 2 Include Yes Votes: Doug Lampert, Gwynfrid, Personification, Zherog, Fyraltari, Joerg
No Votes: Grey_Wolf_c, Precure5 "What inspired the idea of mummies repeating the words said around them?"
(A desire to shock Vaarsuvius without in-world intent.)8 1 Include Yes Votes: Schroeswald, Doug Lampert, Gwynfrid, Grey_Wolf_c, Personification, Zherog, Fyraltari, Joerg
No Votes: Precure6 "Is there any chance V being genderqueer will be mentioned on-panel?"
(Not really.)7 1 Include Yes Votes: Gwynfrid, Grey_Wolf_c, Personification, Zherog, Fyraltari, Precure, Joerg
No Votes: Doug Lampert7 "We've seen a lot about most characters' families. Are there plans to learn more about Belkar's?"
(No.)7 1 Include Yes Votes: Doug Lampert, Gwynfrid, Grey_Wolf_c, Personification, Zherog, Fyraltari, Joerg
No Votes: Precure8 "When you finish OOTS, will you go back and remaster the earlier comics?"
(No.)5 4 Vote-able Yes Votes: Gwynfrid, Personification, Zherog, Jaxzan Proditor, Joerg
No Votes: Doug Lampert, Grey_Wolf_c, Fyraltari, Precure9 "Have you ever considered an animated series?"
(“Considered” yes, “pursuing” no.)5 5 Vote-able Yes Votes: Gwynfrid, Personification, Zherog, Fyraltari, Joerg
No Votes: Schroeswald, Doug Lampert, Grey_Wolf_c, Precure, Jaxzan Proditor10 "...do you have any ideas for future projects once OOTS wraps up? Some other writing ventures, perhaps?"
(Yes, but haven't decided specifics yet.)4 6 Vote-able Yes Votes: Schroeswald, Personification, Zherog, Joerg
No Votes: Doug Lampert, Gwynfrid, Grey_Wolf_c, Fyraltari, Precure, Jaxzan Proditor11 "Have you considered making a OotS campaign world supplement for D&D (or other games)?"
(Yes, even started on it; but decided against it later.)2 7 Exclude Yes Votes: Personification, Zherog
No Votes: Schroeswald, Doug Lampert, Gwynfrid, Grey_Wolf_c, Fyraltari, Precure, Joerg12 "Have you ever considered (after OOTS is done) putting together some parts of your book commentaries and some new material for a book on writing fantasy sagas?"
(No.)1 8 Exclude Yes Votes: Personification
No Votes: Schroeswald, Doug Lampert, Gwynfrid, Grey_Wolf_c, Zherog, Fyraltari, Precure, Joerg13 "What can you share about future plans and upcoming sets of your "Monster for Every Season" minis?"
(Starting on “Summer 2” now.)1 8 Exclude Yes Votes: Personification
No Votes: Schroeswald, Doug Lampert, Gwynfrid, Grey_Wolf_c, Zherog, Fyraltari, Precure, Joerg14 "Will the setting that you submitted to WOTC for the Fantasy Setting Search ever come to light?"
(Probably not.)1 8 Exclude Yes Votes: Personification
No Votes: Schroeswald, Doug Lampert, Gwynfrid, Grey_Wolf_c, Zherog, Fyraltari, Precure, Joerg15 "Why is your silly stick figure parody one of my favorite fantasy stories of all time?"
((insert Giant Self-Deprecation(TM) here))1 8 Exclude Yes Votes: Personification
No Votes: Schroeswald, Doug Lampert, Gwynfrid, Grey_Wolf_c, Zherog, Fyraltari, Precure, Joerg16 "Is OOTS based on a real table top game?"
(No.)4 6 Vote-able Yes Votes: Gwynfrid, Personification, Fyraltari, Jaxzan Proditor
No Votes: Schroeswald, Doug Lampert, Grey_Wolf_c, Zherog, Precure, Joerg17 "When you first started writing OOTS, did you think you were signing up for a 17+ year journey? How much of the plot did you have in mind when you wrote the first strip?"
(No, and none. (The Elven pantheon being an example of post-planning))8 2 Include Yes Votes: Schroeswald, hroţila, Doug Lampert, Gwynfrid, Personification, Zherog, Fyraltari, Joerg
No Votes: Grey_Wolf_c, Precure18 "What exactly was going on in Vampire Durkon's mind when he was a thrall?"
(An impression of Malack's expectations.)9 1 Include Yes Votes: Schroeswald, hroţila, Doug Lampert, Gwynfrid, Grey_Wolf_c, Personification, Zherog, Fyraltari, Joerg
No Votes: Precure19 "Did you ever consider not restoring Durkon, so he would have remained as an undead for the rest of the story?"
(Never.)6 4 Vote-able Yes Votes: Gwynfrid, Grey_Wolf_c, Personification, Zherog, Fyraltari, Joerg
No Votes: Schroeswald, Doug Lampert, Precure, Jaxzan Proditor20 "Are the three souls that were spliced to V when V fought the dragon from previous versions of the world?"
(Maybe?)8 3 Include Yes Votes: Doug Lampert, Gwynfrid, Personification, Zherog, Fyraltari, mjasghar, Emanick, Joerg
No Votes: Schroeswald, Grey_Wolf_c, Precure21 "Do you still map out combat scenes like Miko's rumble in the rain?"
(No.)6 3 Include Yes Votes: Schroeswald, Gwynfrid, Personification, Zherog, Fyraltari, Joerg
No Votes: Doug Lampert, Grey_Wolf_c, Precure22 "Do you handle XP according to DnD rules, or is it more about moving at the speed of plot? When you had Hilgya kill Durkon an extra time, was there an element of purposefully lowering his level? Or, his level set to whatever level it needs to be for him to have access to whatever spells & consistency the plot needs?"
(No. Hilgya killed Durkon because it was funny and true to her character.)5 4 Vote-able Yes Votes: Gwynfrid, Personification, Zherog, Fyraltari, Joerg
No Votes: Schroeswald, Doug Lampert, Grey_Wolf_c, Precure23 "Do you have a home game currently?"
(No.)1 8 Exclude Yes Votes: Personification
No Votes: Schroeswald, Doug Lampert, Gwynfrid, Grey_Wolf_c, Zherog, Fyraltari, Precure, Joerg24 "You've done some writing for the actual canonical D&D books. Do you have a favorite piece of content that you contributed to the game rules?"
(Chapters in Dungeonscape, and a table in Explorer's Handbook.)3 7 Exclude Yes Votes: Grey_Wolf_c, Personification, Zherog
No Votes: Schroeswald, Doug Lampert, Gwynfrid, Fyraltari, Precure, Jaxzan Proditor, Joerg25 "Since you started and even prior D&D has changed a bunch (both rules and culturally as well). What is your opinion about the game and the direction it's taking?"
(Bad person to ask.)1 8 Exclude Yes Votes: Personification
No Votes: Schroeswald, Doug Lampert, Gwynfrid, Grey_Wolf_c, Zherog, Fyraltari, Precure, Joerg26 "Do you consume a lot / enough (for a fitting definition of that word) of webcomics of other authors and would you say it's imperative for "good" webcomic writing?"
(“Webcomics” aren't a thing.)7 2 Include Yes Votes: Schroeswald, Gwynfrid, Grey_Wolf_c, Personification, Zherog, Fyraltari, Joerg
No Votes: Doug Lampert, Precure27 "Do serious "grim-dark" style bards exist as well in the oots universe?"
(Nothing both grim-dark and serious exists in OOTS-World.)7 2 Include Yes Votes: Schroeswald, Doug Lampert, Gwynfrid, Personification, Zherog, Fyraltari, Joerg
No Votes: Grey_Wolf_c, Precure28 "What is Elan's mother's name?"
(Deliberately undefined.)8 1 Include Yes Votes: Schroeswald, Doug Lampert, Gwynfrid, Grey_Wolf_c, Personification, Zherog, Fyraltari, Joerg
No Votes: Precure29 "Will it ever be revealed how Tarquin and Elan's mother managed to get married and have children together? I'm re-reading BitF and a line from Utterly Dwarfed stuck out to me too, about how it was an unresolved plot point. "
(Potentially; but it isn't an unresolved plot point at all.)5 5 Vote-able Yes Votes: Gwynfrid, Personification, Zherog, Fyraltari, Joerg
No Votes: Schroeswald, Doug Lampert, Grey_Wolf_c, Precure, Jaxzan Proditor30 "How do you manage pacing and timing of the story (and the humour) in such small pieces over so long a time?"
(A panel structure, and a reason to exist, for each strip.)7 2 Include Yes Votes: Schroeswald, Gwynfrid, Grey_Wolf_c, Personification, Zherog, Fyraltari, Joerg
No Votes: Doug Lampert, Precure31 "Who is your favorite character to write? Whose arc has (thus-far) been the most satisfying to write?"
(Favorite, whoever's been written. Most fun with Zhou Bo.)6 2 Include Yes Votes: Gwynfrid, Grey_Wolf_c, Personification, Zherog, Fyraltari, Joerg
No Votes: Doug Lampert, Precure32 "Was there something in your work that you paid special attention to/worked hard, thought it was really cool or awesome, but the reception was totally different than what you thought it would be - maybe the audience ignored or hated it."
(Most everything has at least one outlandish reaction.)6 2 Include Yes Votes: Gwynfrid, Grey_Wolf_c, Personification, Zherog, Fyraltari, Joerg
No Votes: Doug Lampert, Precure
Spoiler: Individual VotesVoter 01 02 03 04 05 06 07 08 09 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 25 26 27 28 29 30 31 32 Schroeswald hroţila Doug Lampert Gwynfrid Grey_Wolf_c Personification Zherog Fyraltari Precure mjasghar Emanick Jaxzan Proditor Joerg
Anyway...here's my analysis of the ones that currently look unlikely to be excluded, mostly geared towards where we have similar entries already....
- #2 (Know About the Ending) seems like it'd go side-by-side with the "The Story is Still (Sort Of) Evolving" tweet.
- #3 (Find Out What MitD is) is about analogous to the "The MitD ( ) Reveal is a Crucial Part of the Story" entry.
- #4 (Roy's Incongruous Boots) is an art decision I don't recall hearing before (unless Roy hinting at it counts).
- #5 (Mummy Mimic Inspiration), I believe is new.
- #6 ('Vaarsuvius is Genderqueer' Acknowledged On-Panel) was from book commentary, which isn't eligible to be Indexed.
- #7 (Belkar's Family?) was also from book commentary, which still isn't eligible to be Indexed.
- #8 (Remastering) sort of ties into "The Giant on Doing Things Differently" where the Giant says he isn't a "'go back and change it' kind of guy"; but I think it's different enough to be distinct.
- #9 (Animated Series) is new. I thought the Giant had commented on it before, but it turns out the subject was OOTS video games.
- #10 (Projects in the Future) is on the line of Rule B's "other fiction works by Rich Burlew".
- #16 (A Game Behind the Comic Curtain?) seems new.
- #17 (How Much Planned at the Beginning) talks about stuff that was in the Dungeon Crawlin' Fools commentary (that is still not Indexable); and the example given of the odd treatment of the Elven pantheon is probably possibly noteworthy on its own.
- #18 (High Priest of Hel as High Thrall of Malack) provides
what's next to be added to Jaxzan Proditor's signaturedetails on how vampire thralldom functions, while the other information we have on vampire is more about vampirism in general. - #19 (De-Durkonization?) seems like an odd question to ask, but the implication that Durkon might not be returning to the story did seem to come up in the comic discussion threads periodically....
- #20 (Transworld Soul Splices?) ties into the "V's Splices" entry.
- #21 (Combat Scenes by the “Rules”?) seems like it'd fit cleanly in the "Combat Scenes" section.
- #22 (What's their D&D Experience?) seems relevant, as the biggest(?) deliberate example of how the comic "breaks" from D&D rules.
- #24 (Favorite D&D Authorship) might fit with the "Acid-Born Shark" entry, as it came from one of the books the Giant mentioned.
- #26 (All About Webcomicry) looks like an extension for "On Webcomics and Print as Mediums".
- #27 (Grimdark Darkmans?) is
a great excuse for a Dungeonmans referencea fit for the "The Story as a D&D Spoof" section....But I suspect the "you haven't seen this in the comic because I haven't thought of a good reason for it to be there" is a better reason. - #28 (Elan's Mother's Name) seems like an extension of with "On Open-Ended Characterization" and not deciding things; especially since it ties almost directly into the supporting link of not knowing Elan's parents' last names.
- #29 (Tarquio and Someoneet?) looks more important for the tangent on plot points than for the question itself.
- #30 (Masters Mastering Pacing) would fit well in the "Writing Process" category.
- #31 (The Giant Favorite) seems rather weak to me; but that's how I usually feel about the whole "Reflections from the Author" section, so....
- #32 (Author-Audience Disconnect) is a natural fit for the "Forum and Reader Reactions" section. (Anyone else remember Guy with a Halberd?)
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Your color-coding makes it simple for me.
Green: Yes
Red: No
Yellow: No, except 29: Yes.
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I'm surprised that 20 got so many votes, considering it's just a no-answer.
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Of the answers in the 2020-03-01 answer post on Patreon,
I vote that we exclude questions 1, 2, 3, 4, 7, 10, 12, 13, 15, 17, 19, 20, 22, 23, 24, 25, 27, 28, 29, 30, 31, 32;
I abstain voting on questions 5, 9, 11, 14, 16, 21, 26; and
I vote that we include 6, 8, 18.
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Official reminder that we're not actually voting (yet)...although I suppose this is what I get for keeping the "Yes Votes"/"No Votes" wording in the last time. (Note to self, put in a parameter for automatically renaming it).
Spoiler: Summary# Question In Favor Against Disposition Voters 1 "May I use Elan for my Patreon avatar?"
(Yes.)0 11 Exclude In Favor:
Against: Schroeswald, Doug Lampert, Gwynfrid, Grey_Wolf_c, Personification, Zherog, Fyraltari, Precure, Joerg, Throknor, b_jonas2 "Do you know how is it gonna end? If yes, since when?"
(Yes, since the Scribble drawings.)4 8 Vote-able In Favor: Gwynfrid, Personification, Zherog, Fyraltari
Against: Schroeswald, Doug Lampert, Grey_Wolf_c, Precure, Jaxzan Proditor, Joerg, Throknor, b_jonas3 "...will we actually get an answer to what the thing in the darkness is?"
(Yes.)4 8 Vote-able In Favor: Gwynfrid, Personification, Zherog, Fyraltari
Against: Schroeswald, Doug Lampert, Grey_Wolf_c, Precure, Jaxzan Proditor, Joerg, Throknor, b_jonas4 "Why is Roy the only one who seems to have perspective-scaled footwear?"
(He doesn't, it's just disproportionate.)7 3 Include In Favor: Doug Lampert, Gwynfrid, Personification, Zherog, Fyraltari, Joerg, Throknor
Against: Grey_Wolf_c, Precure, b_jonas5 "What inspired the idea of mummies repeating the words said around them?"
(A desire to shock Vaarsuvius without in-world intent.)9 1 Include In Favor: Schroeswald, Doug Lampert, Gwynfrid, Grey_Wolf_c, Personification, Zherog, Fyraltari, Joerg, Throknor
Against: Precure6 "Is there any chance V being genderqueer will be mentioned on-panel?"
(Not really.)9 1 Include In Favor: Gwynfrid, Grey_Wolf_c, Personification, Zherog, Fyraltari, Precure, Joerg, Throknor, b_jonas
Against: Doug Lampert7 "We've seen a lot about most characters' families. Are there plans to learn more about Belkar's?"
(No.)8 2 Include In Favor: Doug Lampert, Gwynfrid, Grey_Wolf_c, Personification, Zherog, Fyraltari, Joerg, Throknor
Against: Precure, b_jonas8 "When you finish OOTS, will you go back and remaster the earlier comics?"
(No.)6 5 Vote-able In Favor: Gwynfrid, Personification, Zherog, Jaxzan Proditor, Joerg, b_jonas
Against: Doug Lampert, Grey_Wolf_c, Fyraltari, Precure, Throknor9 "Have you ever considered an animated series?"
(“Considered” yes, “pursuing” no.)5 6 Vote-able In Favor: Gwynfrid, Personification, Zherog, Fyraltari, Joerg
Against: Schroeswald, Doug Lampert, Grey_Wolf_c, Precure, Jaxzan Proditor, Throknor10 "...do you have any ideas for future projects once OOTS wraps up? Some other writing ventures, perhaps?"
(Yes, but haven't decided specifics yet.)4 8 Vote-able In Favor: Schroeswald, Personification, Zherog, Joerg
Against: Doug Lampert, Gwynfrid, Grey_Wolf_c, Fyraltari, Precure, Jaxzan Proditor, Throknor, b_jonas11 "Have you considered making a OotS campaign world supplement for D&D (or other games)?"
(Yes, even started on it; but decided against it later.)2 8 Exclude In Favor: Personification, Zherog
Against: Schroeswald, Doug Lampert, Gwynfrid, Grey_Wolf_c, Fyraltari, Precure, Joerg, Throknor12 "Have you ever considered (after OOTS is done) putting together some parts of your book commentaries and some new material for a book on writing fantasy sagas?"
(No.)1 10 Exclude In Favor: Personification
Against: Schroeswald, Doug Lampert, Gwynfrid, Grey_Wolf_c, Zherog, Fyraltari, Precure, Joerg, Throknor, b_jonas13 "What can you share about future plans and upcoming sets of your "Monster for Every Season" minis?"
(Starting on “Summer 2” now.)1 10 Exclude In Favor: Personification
Against: Schroeswald, Doug Lampert, Gwynfrid, Grey_Wolf_c, Zherog, Fyraltari, Precure, Joerg, Throknor, b_jonas14 "Will the setting that you submitted to WOTC for the Fantasy Setting Search ever come to light?"
(Probably not.)1 9 Exclude In Favor: Personification
Against: Schroeswald, Doug Lampert, Gwynfrid, Grey_Wolf_c, Zherog, Fyraltari, Precure, Joerg, Throknor15 "Why is your silly stick figure parody one of my favorite fantasy stories of all time?"
((insert Giant Self-Deprecation(TM) here))1 10 Exclude In Favor: Personification
Against: Schroeswald, Doug Lampert, Gwynfrid, Grey_Wolf_c, Zherog, Fyraltari, Precure, Joerg, Throknor, b_jonas16 "Is OOTS based on a real table top game?"
(No.)4 7 Vote-able In Favor: Gwynfrid, Personification, Fyraltari, Jaxzan Proditor
Against: Schroeswald, Doug Lampert, Grey_Wolf_c, Zherog, Precure, Joerg, Throknor17 "When you first started writing OOTS, did you think you were signing up for a 17+ year journey? How much of the plot did you have in mind when you wrote the first strip?"
(No, and none. (The Elven pantheon being an example of post-planning))9 3 Include In Favor: Schroeswald, hroţila, Doug Lampert, Gwynfrid, Personification, Zherog, Fyraltari, Joerg, Throknor
Against: Grey_Wolf_c, Precure, b_jonas18 "What exactly was going on in Vampire Durkon's mind when he was a thrall?"
(An impression of Malack's expectations.)11 1 Include In Favor: Schroeswald, hroţila, Doug Lampert, Gwynfrid, Grey_Wolf_c, Personification, Zherog, Fyraltari, Joerg, Throknor, b_jonas
Against: Precure19 "Did you ever consider not restoring Durkon, so he would have remained as an undead for the rest of the story?"
(Never.)6 6 Vote-able In Favor: Gwynfrid, Grey_Wolf_c, Personification, Zherog, Fyraltari, Joerg
Against: Schroeswald, Doug Lampert, Precure, Jaxzan Proditor, Throknor, b_jonas20 "Are the three souls that were spliced to V when V fought the dragon from previous versions of the world?"
(Maybe?)9 4 Include In Favor: Doug Lampert, Gwynfrid, Personification, Zherog, Fyraltari, mjasghar, Emanick, Joerg, Throknor
Against: Schroeswald, Grey_Wolf_c, Precure, b_jonas21 "Do you still map out combat scenes like Miko's rumble in the rain?"
(No.)7 3 Include In Favor: Schroeswald, Gwynfrid, Personification, Zherog, Fyraltari, Joerg, Throknor
Against: Doug Lampert, Grey_Wolf_c, Precure22 "Do you handle XP according to DnD rules, or is it more about moving at the speed of plot? When you had Hilgya kill Durkon an extra time, was there an element of purposefully lowering his level? Or, his level set to whatever level it needs to be for him to have access to whatever spells & consistency the plot needs?"
(No. Hilgya killed Durkon because it was funny and true to her character.)5 6 Vote-able In Favor: Gwynfrid, Personification, Zherog, Fyraltari, Joerg
Against: Schroeswald, Doug Lampert, Grey_Wolf_c, Precure, Throknor, b_jonas23 "Do you have a home game currently?"
(No.)1 10 Exclude In Favor: Personification
Against: Schroeswald, Doug Lampert, Gwynfrid, Grey_Wolf_c, Zherog, Fyraltari, Precure, Joerg, Throknor, b_jonas24 "You've done some writing for the actual canonical D&D books. Do you have a favorite piece of content that you contributed to the game rules?"
(Chapters in Dungeonscape, and a table in Explorer's Handbook.)3 9 Exclude In Favor: Grey_Wolf_c, Personification, Zherog
Against: Schroeswald, Doug Lampert, Gwynfrid, Fyraltari, Precure, Jaxzan Proditor, Joerg, Throknor, b_jonas25 "Since you started and even prior D&D has changed a bunch (both rules and culturally as well). What is your opinion about the game and the direction it's taking?"
(Bad person to ask.)1 10 Exclude In Favor: Personification
Against: Schroeswald, Doug Lampert, Gwynfrid, Grey_Wolf_c, Zherog, Fyraltari, Precure, Joerg, Throknor, b_jonas26 "Do you consume a lot / enough (for a fitting definition of that word) of webcomics of other authors and would you say it's imperative for "good" webcomic writing?"
(“Webcomics” aren't a thing.)8 2 Include In Favor: Schroeswald, Gwynfrid, Grey_Wolf_c, Personification, Zherog, Fyraltari, Joerg, Throknor
Against: Doug Lampert, Precure27 "Do serious "grim-dark" style bards exist as well in the oots universe?"
(Nothing both grim-dark and serious exists in OOTS-World.)8 3 Include In Favor: Schroeswald, Doug Lampert, Gwynfrid, Personification, Zherog, Fyraltari, Joerg, Throknor
Against: Grey_Wolf_c, Precure, b_jonas28 "What is Elan's mother's name?"
(Deliberately undefined.)9 2 Include In Favor: Schroeswald, Doug Lampert, Gwynfrid, Grey_Wolf_c, Personification, Zherog, Fyraltari, Joerg, Throknor
Against: Precure, b_jonas29 "Will it ever be revealed how Tarquin and Elan's mother managed to get married and have children together? I'm re-reading BitF and a line from Utterly Dwarfed stuck out to me too, about how it was an unresolved plot point. "
(Potentially; but it isn't an unresolved plot point at all.)6 6 Vote-able In Favor: Gwynfrid, Personification, Zherog, Fyraltari, Joerg, Throknor
Against: Schroeswald, Doug Lampert, Grey_Wolf_c, Precure, Jaxzan Proditor, b_jonas30 "How do you manage pacing and timing of the story (and the humour) in such small pieces over so long a time?"
(A panel structure, and a reason to exist, for each strip.)8 3 Include In Favor: Schroeswald, Gwynfrid, Grey_Wolf_c, Personification, Zherog, Fyraltari, Joerg, Throknor
Against: Doug Lampert, Precure, b_jonas31 "Who is your favorite character to write? Whose arc has (thus-far) been the most satisfying to write?"
(Favorite, whoever's been written. Most fun with Zhou Bo.)7 3 Include In Favor: Gwynfrid, Grey_Wolf_c, Personification, Zherog, Fyraltari, Joerg, Throknor
Against: Doug Lampert, Precure, b_jonas32 "Was there something in your work that you paid special attention to/worked hard, thought it was really cool or awesome, but the reception was totally different than what you thought it would be - maybe the audience ignored or hated it."
(Most everything has at least one outlandish reaction.)7 3 Include In Favor: Gwynfrid, Grey_Wolf_c, Personification, Zherog, Fyraltari, Joerg, Throknor
Against: Doug Lampert, Precure, b_jonas
Spoiler: Individual AssessmentsVoter 01 02 03 04 05 06 07 08 09 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 25 26 27 28 29 30 31 32 Schroeswald hroţila Doug Lampert Gwynfrid Grey_Wolf_c Personification Zherog Fyraltari Precure mjasghar Emanick Jaxzan Proditor Joerg Throknor b_jonas FeytouchedBanana eldritch disciple avatar by...me!
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...and I really hope we're not going to have another batch of 32 next month, because I couldn't fit this into the last post due to post size limits....
Anyway.
While I'll still be tracking opinions on the including the responses, I guess it's (past) time to start putting potential entries together....Well, as long as Peelee is proposing a "pinebanana" in the current discussion thread, suppose I can mark entrymutationschanges that way.
- #2 (Know about the Ending)
🍍🍌The Story is Still (Sort Of) Evolving
"I'm trying to wrap up more than I add, but if there weren't room to add I would get bored before the end." See also here ("...the big questions of what's going to happen? ...locked that in around the time of the first crayon drawing scene in Paladin Blues.").#945 2014/02/17 - #3 (Found out what MitD is)
🍍🍌The MitD ( ) Reveal is a Crucial Part of the Story
And we will actually get an answer to what he is.#980 2015/04/24 - #4 (Roy's Incongruous Boots)
🍌Roy's Boots are Intentionally Misproportioned
"It just became one of the things that makes Roy look like Roy, so it stayed around."#1193 2020/03/01 - #5 (Mummy Mimic Inspiration)
🍌The Reason for the Draketooth Mummies' Miming
"I needed a way to get it to say, 'Your fault,' without there being any meaning or intent on the mummy's part."#1193 2020/03/01 - #6 ('Vaarsuvius is Genderqueer' Acknowledged On-Panel)
🍌Vaarsuvius is Genderqueer
But "not talking about gender is just culturally part of being an elf".#1193 2020/03/01 - #7 (Belkar's Family?)
🍌We're Not Likely to Learn More about Belkar's Family #1193 2020/03/01 - #8 (Remastering)
🍌Order of the Stick Won't Be Remastered
"...it is what it is, in all its deeply flawed glory."#1193 2020/03/01 - #9 (Animated Series)
🍌An Order of the Stick Animated Series?
"It’s not a thing I’m pursuing at this time."#1193 2020/03/01 - #10 (Projects in the Future)
🍌The Giant on Future Projects
"I 100% fully expect to continue writing after OOTS is finished....What form that writing takes is still uncertain."#1193 2020/03/01 - #16 (A Game Behind the Comic Curtain?)
🍌Order of the Stick Isn't Based on a "Real" Tabletop Game
"I think I cribbed maybe three or four jokes from things that happened in a game session I played...."#1193 2020/03/01 - #17 (How Much Planned at the Beginning)
🍍🍌On Continuity from Comedy
"A lot of the things that are crucial parts of the story were just random gags early on that I then had to work into a cohesive narrative without invalidating the earlier comics." Such as the Elven pantheon and swirly eyes showing domination.#1193 2020/03/01 - #18 (High Priest of Hel as High Thrall of Malack)
🍌Thrall-Durkon was like Malack's Puppet
"...the thrall merely took on the personality that Malack wanted it to have".#1193 2020/03/01 - #19 (De-Durkonization?)
🍌Durkon was Never Imagined as Staying Dead
"I'm not sure what the point of doing that might have been, but it wouldn't have helped me tell the story I was telling."#1193 2020/03/01 - #20 (Transworld Soul Splices?)
🍍🍌V's Splices
There won't be a prequel book about them, and the Giant hasn't developed a backstory for them; not even deciding if they're from previous versions of the world.#801 2011/08/21 - #21 (Combat Scenes by the “Rules”?)
🍍🍌Miko's Fight
How Miko defeated the OOTS off-panel and captured them; with a degree of detail the Giant hasn't done "before or since".#251 2005/11/30 - #22 (What's their D&D Experience?)
🍌Character Experience Isn't Tracked
"Everyone should consider their character sheets to have the little shrugging emoji guy where their level should be listed."#1193 2020/03/01 - #26 (All About Webcomicry)
🍍🍌On Webcomics and Print as Mediums
The webcomic is just a distribution method. "There are comic strips, and there are comic books, and there are hybrids in-between the two (like OOTS), and all of these things are published both on paper and on the internet".#980 2015/04/25 - #27 (Grimdark Darkmans?)
🍌Characters Have a Specific Reason to be in the Comic
"I'm telling a specific story, and if that character type doesn't have a role in the story then they won't be in it.#1193 2020/03/01 - #28 (Elan's Mother's Name)
🍍🍌On Open-Ended Characterization
"I don't really bother deciding things about the characters unless they have a purpose." Details like Elan's last name will be revealed if/when they become significant to the story; and details like Elan's Mother's name aren't given "on purpose".#980 2015/04/26 - #29 (Tarquio and Someoneet?)
🍌On What a Plot Point is Not
"I don’t feel that it’s something that necessarily demands a more specific on-panel answer than that."#1193 2020/03/01 - #30 (Masters Mastering Pacing)
🍌How the Comic's Pacing Is Maintained Over Time
"The first panel of every strip continues on from the previous one....The last panel has...a punchline or a reveal or a cliffhanger...All the middle stuff, that's the story."#1193 2020/03/01 - #31 (The Giant Favorite)
🍌The Giant's Favorite Character to Write
"My favorite character to write is whichever one I’m focusing on at the moment." "...the most fun I’ve had writing a character in a long time was actually Zhou Bo...."#1193 2020/03/01 - #32 (Author-Audience Disconnect)
🍌The Giant is Always Surprised by Reactions
"To some degree, every single thing I put in the comic gets at least one reaction that I could not possibly have predicted."#1193 2020/03/01
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That looks good, just one thing though. Is ‘to mime’ the right word for what the mummies are doing? Mimes are silent. ‘To parrot’ would be more appropriate, yes?
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Cuthalion's art is the prettiest art of all the art. Like my avatar.
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Re: The Index of the Giant's Comments VI―Making Dogma from Zapped Bananas
Mime can be a synonym for mimic, so it works. "Parrot" could work (The Giant used "parroting" in the Patreon post, after all), but it does have a connotation of intentional repetition that I feel runs against the lack of intent on the mummy's part and could be misleading.
I'm not opposed to going with "mimicry" instead, if you feel that's clearer.FeytouchedBanana eldritch disciple avatar by...me!
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Alright then. That would make it....
Draft Tentative Entries for Index 6.3 🍍🍌The Story is Still (Sort Of) Evolving
"I'm trying to wrap up more than I add, but if there weren't room to add I would get bored before the end." See also here ("...the big questions of what's going to happen? ...locked that in around the time of the first crayon drawing scene in Paladin Blues.").#945 2014/02/17 🍍🍌The MitD ( ) Reveal is a Crucial Part of the Story
And we will actually get an answer to what he is.#980 2015/04/24 🍌Roy's Boots are Intentionally Misproportioned
"It just became one of the things that makes Roy look like Roy, so it stayed around."#1193 2020/03/01 🍌The Reason for the Draketooth Mummies' Mimicry
"I needed a way to get it to say, 'Your fault,' without there being any meaning or intent on the mummy's part."#1193 2020/03/01 🍌Vaarsuvius is Genderqueer
But "not talking about gender is just culturally part of being an elf".#1193 2020/03/01 🍌We're Not Likely to Learn More about Belkar's Family #1193 2020/03/01 🍌Order of the Stick Won't Be Remastered
"...it is what it is, in all its deeply flawed glory."#1193 2020/03/01 🍌An Order of the Stick Animated Series?
"It’s not a thing I’m pursuing at this time."#1193 2020/03/01 🍌The Giant on Future Projects
"I 100% fully expect to continue writing after OOTS is finished....What form that writing takes is still uncertain."#1193 2020/03/01 🍌Order of the Stick Isn't Based on a "Real" Tabletop Game
"I think I cribbed maybe three or four jokes from things that happened in a game session I played...."#1193 2020/03/01 🍍🍌On Continuity from Comedy
"A lot of the things that are crucial parts of the story were just random gags early on that I then had to work into a cohesive narrative without invalidating the earlier comics." Such as the Elven pantheon and swirly eyes showing domination.#1193 2020/03/01 🍌Thrall-Durkon was like Malack's Puppet
"...the thrall merely took on the personality that Malack wanted it to have".#1193 2020/03/01 🍌Durkon was Never Imagined as Staying Dead
"I'm not sure what the point of doing that might have been, but it wouldn't have helped me tell the story I was telling."#1193 2020/03/01 🍍🍌V's Splices
There won't be a prequel book about them, and the Giant hasn't developed a backstory for them; not even deciding if they're from previous versions of the world.#801 2011/08/21 🍍🍌Miko's Fight
How Miko defeated the OOTS off-panel and captured them; with a degree of detail the Giant hasn't done "before or since".#251 2005/11/30 🍌Character Experience Isn't Tracked
"Everyone should consider their character sheets to have the little shrugging emoji guy where their level should be listed."#1193 2020/03/01 🍍🍌On Webcomics and Print as Mediums
The webcomic is just a distribution method. "There are comic strips, and there are comic books, and there are hybrids in-between the two (like OOTS), and all of these things are published both on paper and on the internet".#980 2015/04/25 🍌Characters Have a Specific Reason to be in the Comic
"I'm telling a specific story, and if that character type doesn't have a role in the story then they won't be in it.#1193 2020/03/01 🍍🍌On Open-Ended Characterization
"I don't really bother deciding things about the characters unless they have a purpose." Details like Elan's last name will be revealed if/when they become significant to the story; and details like Elan's Mother's name aren't given "on purpose".#980 2015/04/26 🍌On What a Plot Point is Not
"I don’t feel that it’s something that necessarily demands a more specific on-panel answer than that."#1193 2020/03/01 🍌How the Comic's Pacing Is Maintained Over Time
"The first panel of every strip continues on from the previous one....The last panel has...a punchline or a reveal or a cliffhanger...All the middle stuff, that's the story."#1193 2020/03/01 🍌The Giant's Favorite Character to Write
"My favorite character to write is whichever one I’m focusing on at the moment." "...the most fun I’ve had writing a character in a long time was actually Zhou Bo...."#1193 2020/03/01 🍌The Giant is Always Surprised by Reactions
"To some degree, every single thing I put in the comic gets at least one reaction that I could not possibly have predicted."#1193 2020/03/01
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No movement, huh? Okay then....
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The other quotes below reached strong consensus already. A vote is considered unnecessary in that case; they will be included.
Proposed Items for Index 6.3 🍌An Order of the Stick Animated Series?(#9)
"It's not a thing I'm pursuing at this time."#1193 2020/03/01 Accepting PMs to require vote.
PM threshold met, vote required.🍌Character Experience Isn't Tracked(#22)
"Everyone should consider their character sheets to have the little shrugging emoji guy where their level should be listed."#1193 2020/03/01 Accepting PMs to require vote.
Will be included.🍌Characters Have a Specific Reason to be in the Comic(#27)
"I'm telling a specific story, and if that character type doesn't have a role in the story then they won't be in it."#1193 2020/03/01 No vote required, will be included. 🍌Durkon was Never Imagined as Staying Dead(#19)
"I'm not sure what the point of doing that might have been, but it wouldn't have helped me tell the story I was telling."#1193 2020/03/01 Accepting PMs to require vote.
PM threshold met, vote required.🍌How the Comic's Pacing Is Maintained Over Time(#30)
"The first panel of every strip continues on from the previous one....The last panel has...a punchline or a reveal or a cliffhanger...All the middle stuff, that's the story."#1193 2020/03/01 No vote required, will be included. 🍍🍌On Continuity from Comedy(#17)
"A lot of the things that are crucial parts of the story were just random gags early on that I then had to work into a cohesive narrative without invalidating the earlier comics." Such as the Elven pantheon and swirly eyes showing domination.#1193 2020/03/01 No vote required, will be included. 🍌On How Elan's Parents' Marriage Is Not a Plot Point(#29)
"I don't feel that it's something that necessarily demands a more specific on-panel answer than that."#1193 2020/03/01 Accepting PMs to require vote.
Will be included.🍌Order of the Stick Isn't Based on a "Real" Tabletop Game(#16)
"I think I cribbed maybe three or four jokes from things that happened in a game session I played...."#1193 2020/03/01 Accepting PMs to require vote.
Will be included.🍌Order of the Stick Won't Be Remastered(#8)
"...it is what it is, in all its deeply flawed glory." See also here ("I could see myself doing clean-up on the odd mouth here or there, but probably not a full redraw").#1193 2020/03/01 Accepting PMs to require vote.
Will be included.🍌Roy's Boots are Intentionally Misproportioned(#4)
"It just became one of the things that makes Roy look like Roy, so it stayed around."#1193 2020/03/01 No vote required, will be included. 🍌The Giant is Always Surprised by Reactions(#32)
"To some degree, every single thing I put in the comic gets at least one reaction that I could not possibly have predicted."#1193 2020/03/01 No vote required, will be included. 🍌The Giant on Future Projects(#10)
"I 100% fully expect to continue writing after OOTS is finished....What form that writing takes is still uncertain."#1193 2020/03/01 Accepting PMs to require vote.
PM threshold met, vote required.🍌The Giant's Favorite Character to Write(#31)
"My favorite character to write is whichever one I'm focusing on at the moment." "...the most fun I've had writing a character in a long time was actually Zhou Bo...."#1193 2020/03/01 No vote required, will be included. 🍌The Reason for the Draketooth Mummies' Mimicry(#5)
"I needed a way to get it to say, 'Your fault,' without there being any meaning or intent on the mummy's part."#1193 2020/03/01 No vote required, will be included. 🍌Thrall-Durkon was Like Malack's Puppet(#18)
"...the thrall merely took on the personality that Malack wanted it to have....Vampire Durkon, as we later got to know him, was inside DurkonÂ’s mind that whole time absorbing memories but having no (or very limited) control over the bodyÂ’s outside actions".#1193 2020/03/01 No vote required, will be included. 🍌Vaarsuvius is Genderqueer(#6)
But "not talking about gender is just culturally part of being an elf".#1193 2020/03/01 No vote required, will be included. 🍌We're Not Likely to Learn More about Belkar's Family(#7) #1193 2020/03/01 No vote required, will be included. 🍍🍌On Open-Ended Characterization
"I don't really bother deciding things about the characters unless they have a purpose." Details like Elan's last name will be revealed if/when they become significant to the story; and details like Elan's Mother's name aren't given "on purpose"(#28).#980 2015/04/26 No vote required, will be included. 🍍🍌On Webcomics and Print as Mediums
The webcomic is just a distribution method. "There are comic strips, and there are comic books, and there are hybrids in-between the two (like OOTS), and all of these things are published both on paper and on the internet"(#26).#980 2015/04/25 No vote required, will be included. 🍍🍌The MitD ( ) Reveal is a Crucial Part of the Story
And we will actually get an answer(#3) to what he is.#980 2015/04/24 Accepting PMs to require vote.
Will be included.🍍🍌The Story is Still (Sort Of) Evolving
"I'm trying to wrap up more than I add, but if there weren't room to add I would get bored before the end." See also here(#2) ("...the big questions of what's going to happen? ...locked that in around the time of the first crayon drawing scene in Paladin Blues").#945 2014/02/17 Accepting PMs to require vote.
Will be included.🍍🍌V's Splices
There won't be a prequel book about them, and the Giant hasn't developed a backstory for them; not even deciding if they're from previous versions of the world(#20).#801 2011/08/21 No vote required, will be included. 🍍🍌Miko's Fight
How Miko defeated the OOTS off-panel and captured them; with a degree of detail the Giant hasn't done "before or since"(#21).#251 2005/11/30 No vote required, will be included.
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For the Patreon answer 18 about Durkon as a vampire thrall of Malack, I think the entry should additionally mention that Greg was already in Durkon's head at that time, just as unable to control Durkon's body as Durkon was, but he could get information from Durkon during that time. I won't attempt to phrase the entry now.
Question. Do we have a previous word of the Giant covering the same thing as answer 8 ("Order of the Stick Won't Be Remastered")?
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Sounds good to me...done.
It's sorta kinda like how the Giant said he's "not really a 'go back and change it' kind of guy"; but I feel it's distinct enough to warrant a separate entry.FeytouchedBanana eldritch disciple avatar by...me!
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