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    So, I've been playing Words with Friends, mostly with my mom, but over the last few weeks, I've gotten pinged by bots... women with curiously stock photo pictures. I don't terribly object. They play the game. They aren't pornbots. It's not much different from playing with someone with a really weird mastery of obscure words who does not talk to you.

    Until recently.

    I picked up one, and, apparently, she didn't have anything to play at first, and the bots skip instead of swapping letters. But there wasn't much for me, so I also passed. And, still not having anything, she passed. Curious, I passed.

    We have now been passing pointlessly for a couple of days. The score remains 0 to 0.
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    The Mad Science denizens might be able to tell you if there's a more sinister motive behind getting bots to join such a game just to do nothing; I can't think of one off the top. Training? Can they send you ads or links somehow? (Haven't played WWF in years.)

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    Quote Originally Posted by Psyren View Post
    The Mad Science denizens might be able to tell you if there's a more sinister motive behind getting bots to join such a game just to do nothing; I can't think of one off the top. Training? Can they send you ads or links somehow? (Haven't played WWF in years.)
    I never realized this acronym also fit the worlds most famous Scrabble knockoff, and now I feel that this game had some seriously missed opportunities in terms of furniture-based violence and/or giant pandas.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Psyren View Post
    The Mad Science denizens might be able to tell you if there's a more sinister motive behind getting bots to join such a game just to do nothing; I can't think of one off the top. Training? Can they send you ads or links somehow? (Haven't played WWF in years.)
    Possibly. My bet is that, after each turn, I have to watch an ad. So, making me take turns makes me watch ads, and their bots not being programmed very well doesn't concern them.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Mark Hall View Post
    Possibly. My bet is that, after each turn, I have to watch an ad. So, making me take turns makes me watch ads, and their bots not being programmed very well doesn't concern them.
    Watching an ad after every turn of a Scrabble game sounds like a Sisyphean hellscape that very naughty English teachers are sent to.

    It seems bizarre that people would program bots just to force you to watch ads at random that might not even be for their company. The only way I could see that being worthwhile is if it's the WWF people themselves doing it and they get paid for each ad viewed, meaning that the bot itself is racking up money for them.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Rodin View Post
    Watching an ad after every turn of a Scrabble game sounds like a Sisyphean hellscape that very naughty English teachers are sent to.

    It seems bizarre that people would program bots just to force you to watch ads at random that might not even be for their company. The only way I could see that being worthwhile is if it's the WWF people themselves doing it and they get paid for each ad viewed, meaning that the bot itself is racking up money for them.
    I would say .... there's propably a company out there somewhere that specialises in supplying bot players for games with a dwindling player base. So basically, ACORP know their business model is slowly deteriorating as their players have an increasingly harder time finding someone to play against. BCORP promises to provide 'players' to sustain ACORP's business for as long as possible.

    CCORP, somewhere in the background, merely twirls their mustaches and cackle manically, as their ad based income increases incrementally over time, as eventually bots begin to play other bots, and CCORP's fortunes are guaranteed forever.

    I foresee a future, post-human, where CCORP reigns supreme over the charred cinders that used to be our world - and still the game goes on, and on, and the profits pile up forever.

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    My assumption, a bit less convoluted, is that WWF programs the bots and gives them an unlimited subscription (so they don't activate ads; creating a bot to watch ads is almost definitely going to be a violation of the contract), and then has them play non-subscription players. If the players take the bait, they watch ads, and WWF gets the ad money. If they play enough, they may play their stupid amount of money for a subscription, and WWF gets the money.
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    Yeah I suppose I didn't take the logical step of thinking that WWF themselves might not want long matchmaking/queue times, so they'd be happy with a bot hopping on with someone. But come on, the bot can at least play, having it do nothing is just lazy and not engaging at all. That's not going to save a dwindling game, if I wanted to play solitaire scrabble I'd just do a crossword or something.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Psyren View Post
    Yeah I suppose I didn't take the logical step of thinking that WWF themselves might not want long matchmaking/queue times, so they'd be happy with a bot hopping on with someone. But come on, the bot can at least play, having it do nothing is just lazy and not engaging at all. That's not going to save a dwindling game, if I wanted to play solitaire scrabble I'd just do a crossword or something.
    Bear in mind: The Bot is only not playing in this weird case. Most of the other bots play pretty well, and respond fairly quickly.

    It is just this one bot, who passed its first turn (not uncommon, when you hope the other person will play something you can use to hit a double-word or triple-letter on a high-value; I do it all the time), and I passed my first turn, and then it kept passing, instead of doing anything that might move the game forward. I passed my first turn partially just to see what it would do.

    It's an edge case for the bots.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Mark Hall View Post
    Bear in mind: The Bot is only not playing in this weird case. Most of the other bots play pretty well, and respond fairly quickly.

    It is just this one bot, who passed its first turn (not uncommon, when you hope the other person will play something you can use to hit a double-word or triple-letter on a high-value; I do it all the time), and I passed my first turn, and then it kept passing, instead of doing anything that might move the game forward. I passed my first turn partially just to see what it would do.

    It's an edge case for the bots.
    Gotcha. So maybe just a lazily-programmed one that got approved with the others.

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    Heck, it might not even be a malicious bot or anything, just a broken one programmed to react instead of take the initiative.

    Or even worse, you've found somebody with the same sense of humor as you, assuming that because you passed, you must be a bot, and now theyre waiting to see how long they can keep it going.
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    I think we should name it. Like ... Bob the Bot.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Keltest View Post
    Heck, it might not even be a malicious bot or anything, just a broken one programmed to react instead of take the initiative.

    Or even worse, you've found somebody with the same sense of humor as you, assuming that because you passed, you must be a bot, and now theyre waiting to see how long they can keep it going.
    I'm now imagining an elaborate anime romance between Mark-kun and Pass-chan, complete with walking by each other on the subway looking at their phones, and a heartfelt confession under a sakura tree in full bloom. (In-game of course, using the scrabble tiles)

    Quote Originally Posted by The Giant View Post
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    Quote Originally Posted by Kaptin Keen View Post
    I think we should name it. Like ... Bob the Bot.
    Oh, they all have nicely American names and stock photo avatars.
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