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    Default I play in a No Death, No Friendly Fire table. How can this be exploited for fun? Theo

    Theoretically of course, I love these madlads too much to exploit this too hard for real, but... theoretically...

    My gaming group houserules away player death and friendly fire. Splash damage, explosions, big weapon swings, these things can't hurt allies even if you want them to because magic anf the gods say so.

    As for Death, you can die at any time if you write Hardcore Mode on your sheet, but nobody does that as "you faint like a Pokemon at 0HP and get back up with 1HP when the fighting is done, also whenever you unquestionably die due to a bad roll and fall off a cliff into lava for example, The Power Of Friendship can revive you Lego Star Wars style" means you don't have to worry about cheap deaths and bad rolls "ruining the game".

    How can these things be exploited, theoretically speaking? I might do any fun things mentioned here but anything that goes too far suggested is theoretical only.

    edit: When you die in a fight and faint, then you have to run out of the collapsing cave or whatever, you'll wake up for that. I've never tested this to see how far the immortality here can be pushed but that's something I remembered after posting: fight in a cave, Aarok dies, cave starts collapsing, he gets back up and we run out of there. Then the cave is blocked so we had to find another way in. I suggested swimming and checking the waterfall. But no. There was a back entrance and it's ordinary.
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    Default Re: I play in a No Death, No Friendly Fire table. How can this be exploited for fun?

    For a relatively tame example, spells like Detonate become somewhat more appealing options for casters. Plus you'll never need to take Selective Spell, which is nice.

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    Default Re: I play in a No Death, No Friendly Fire table. How can this be exploited for fun?

    Does that mean casting Antimagic Field won't affect yourself or your party? What about crowd controls like Web, Sleet Storm, etc.? Just go full exploit mode with area of effects.

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    Default Re: I play in a No Death, No Friendly Fire table. How can this be exploited for fun?

    I'd just go warmage and enjoy blasting away. Maybe take Arcane Thesis (fireball).

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    Default Re: I play in a No Death, No Friendly Fire table. How can this be exploited for fun?

    Have the party wizard put explosive runes on everyone's armor, every morning.

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    Default Re: I play in a No Death, No Friendly Fire table. How can this be exploited for fun?

    City Bomb as a routine combat action is the real answer

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    Default Re: I play in a No Death, No Friendly Fire table. How can this be exploited for fun?

    Quote Originally Posted by 16bearswutIdo View Post
    City Bomb as a routine combat action is the real answer
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    Default Re: I play in a No Death, No Friendly Fire table. How can this be exploited for fun?

    Does this apply to companion creatures, too? Because that would actually make the detonate psicrystal power useable.
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    Default Re: I play in a No Death, No Friendly Fire table. How can this be exploited for fun?

    Obviusly, you should theach you DM the "errors" of his way and use so much cheese it will collapse on itself creating a milky black hole by......becoming The Comedic Relief!
    I mean, from what you said, everyone is having fun, so why not?
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    Default Re: I play in a No Death, No Friendly Fire table. How can this be exploited for fun?

    Wait for an artefact grade plot McGuffin to come along, and cast Disjunction.
    π = 4
    Consider a 5' radius blast: this affects 4 squares which have a circumference of 40' Actually it's worse than that.


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    Default Re: I play in a No Death, No Friendly Fire table. How can this be exploited for fun?

    Create bags of holding and portable holes. Combine at your leisure.

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    Default Re: I play in a No Death, No Friendly Fire table. How can this be exploited for fun?

    Teleport the entire party into the heart of the sun.

    What you are really talking about here is consequence free gaming and that sucks frankly.
    π = 4
    Consider a 5' radius blast: this affects 4 squares which have a circumference of 40' Actually it's worse than that.


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    Default Re: I play in a No Death, No Friendly Fire table. How can this be exploited for fun?

    Quote Originally Posted by nedz View Post
    Teleport the entire party into the heart of the sun.

    What you are really talking about here is consequence free gaming and that sucks frankly.
    If the table's having fun, I wouldn't say it sucks.

    It might suck FOR YOU, but there's nothing inherently wrong with it.
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    Default Re: I play in a No Death, No Friendly Fire table. How can this be exploited for fun?

    Perhaps look up the Death Throes spell?
    Of course, by the time I finish this post, it will already be obsolete. C'est la vie.

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    Default Re: I play in a No Death, No Friendly Fire table. How can this be exploited for fun?

    Cast detonate on yourself and willingly fail the save. You die instantly, but every non-ally around you is probably coming too.
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    Default Re: I play in a No Death, No Friendly Fire table. How can this be exploited for fun?

    You get to play a Wizard as meme'd. That is, the only spell you know once you get it is Fireball.

    Just Fireball.

    Just. Fireball.

    JUST. FIREBALL.
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    Default Re: I play in a No Death, No Friendly Fire table. How can this be exploited for fun?

    Quote Originally Posted by nedz View Post
    Wait for an artefact grade plot McGuffin to come along, and cast Disjunction.
    Quote Originally Posted by nedz View Post
    Teleport the entire party into the heart of the sun.

    What you are really talking about here is consequence free gaming and that sucks frankly.
    Ehhhhhh.... it's not strictly consequence free. As RAW this wouldn't, for example, stop Disjunction from draining your magic powers if you fail the save (better stack those Will Save buffs). There are consequences other than Death (looking at the srd Imprisionment and Baleful Polymorph are utterly unaffected by the strictest reading).

    Plus as said, as long as everybody's having fun what does it matter? While it's not how I expect D&D works, I'd be shocked if I was playing a game based on My Little Pony and such a rule wasn't used (barring some scenarios). It's like calling meatgrinder campaigns achievement free gaming, it's not actually true and even if it was who cares as long as everybody has fun.

    Lethality is a tool to determine game tone. I like the threat of death hanging over characters, but I prefer it to come from permenancy rather than ease. The best game I ever played had no ressurrection but the GM was very careful to give an out requiring no more than a bribe and Diplomacy check for every problem. (We obviously then stole the bribe back.)
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    How about a Jovian Uplift stuck in a Case morph? it makes so little sense.

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    Default Re: I play in a No Death, No Friendly Fire table. How can this be exploited for fun?

    Quote Originally Posted by 16bearswutIdo View Post
    City Bomb as a routine combat action is the real answer
    Cast Apocalypse From the Skies to abuse both rules.
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    Honestly the fastest way to make a paladin fall is to cast the grease spell or to trip the paladin.

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    Default Re: I play in a No Death, No Friendly Fire table. How can this be exploited for fun?

    I remember hearing about some earlier RPGs that tried tinkering with a "no death" rule, that devolved into comedy games as PCs regularly committed blatantly suicidal actions and saw how the GM would save them. That's one option.

    AOEs obviously become a lot stronger with only a modicum of positioning. There are lots of ways to get enemies to bunch up, either by having one tanky guy try to draw aggro or by having the party members all act in close quarters. Although I have a feeling that everyone at the table would consider this a feature of the system rather than a bug.

    There are a few spells and abilities that outright kill you or otherwise severely mess you up if you use them, but frankly at the levels those come on line it's trivial to raise the dead or undo most misfortunes. So all your houserule really does at that point is save you some diamond dust.

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    Default Re: I play in a No Death, No Friendly Fire table. How can this be exploited for fun?

    That sounds like a Looney Tunes cartoon.

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    Default Re: I play in a No Death, No Friendly Fire table. How can this be exploited for fun?

    Frenzied Berzerker is a good one--its main problems are friendly fire and falling apart at -54 HP when the frenzy ends.

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    Default Re: I play in a No Death, No Friendly Fire table. How can this be exploited for fun?

    Quote Originally Posted by Kazyan View Post
    Frenzied Berzerker is a good one--its main problems are friendly fire and falling apart at -54 HP when the frenzy ends.
    To be fair, most people fall apart at -54 hp.
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    Default Re: I play in a No Death, No Friendly Fire table. How can this be exploited for fun?

    I was going to say Transcend Mortality, but all the bonuses it gives are defensive anyway.

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    Default Re: I play in a No Death, No Friendly Fire table. How can this be exploited for fun?

    Quote Originally Posted by MatrixStone93 View Post
    That sounds like a Looney Tunes cartoon.
    It actually is very similar to the death rules used in Toon.

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    Quote Originally Posted by MatrixStone93 View Post
    That sounds like a Looney Tunes cartoon.
    I do love Looney Tunes...

    The older stuff, especially.

    But not the REALLY old stuff. A lot of that was...not so good. For all sorts of reasons.

    Still, I'm all in favor of not dying!
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    Quote Originally Posted by MaxiDuRaritry View Post
    To be fair, most people fall apart at -54 hp.
    Not me. I'm at a table with no negative hit points! Yay, Pokemon rules

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    Default Re: I play in a No Death, No Friendly Fire table. How can this be exploited for fun?

    Grab 100 necklace of fireballs and do a death from above attack from 1000 feet in the air.
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    So, your roleplaying guide is pretty much "Live Fast, Die Young, Leave a confusing corpse"?

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    Default Re: I play in a No Death, No Friendly Fire table. How can this be exploited for fun?

    if "for fun" means "to have some laughs" and not to break balance, you could have some fun with your character inexplicable frequent deaths and inexplicable comebacks. We had a druid with a very weak wolf companion, and it gradually shifted to comical relief. In the end I granted it this cheat death power, and he became something akin to the bard from the gamers. we all had a lot of fun whenever the wold was mentioned
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