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Re: Warhammer 40K Tabletop Thread XXXIX: Miracle on 39th Thread
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They have more wounds than Wriathblades, so them being higher points is fine. Hell, Pen Engines have been fine wince the Index, this is just keeping them relevant.
Wait, what? 18 T3 4++ wounds takes that many shots? So I'm hearing 20 sister blobs....
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2019-11-28, 12:27 AM (ISO 8601)
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Oh...wait...it does have that. Completely forgot. Also its not bad at 185 points. Was worried it'd be stupid pricey.
Originally Posted by CheesegearLast edited by Blackhawk748; 2019-11-28 at 11:01 AM.
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2019-11-28, 11:54 AM (ISO 8601)
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So the expansion they're bringing to 8th in Chapter Approved this year is Spearhead. This makes my Guard-playing heart happy.
"Courage is the complement of fear. A fearless man cannot be courageous. He is also a fool." -- Robert Heinlein
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2019-11-28, 12:34 PM (ISO 8601)
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2019-11-28, 12:44 PM (ISO 8601)
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I mean, they're supposed to be the Soritas equivalent of Combat Doctorines; a reward you get for going mono-faction. But I've already posted my opinion on mono-faction rules (They punish people for choosing armies that are already struggling, and reward people who go with the strongest armies), and the Sacred Rights aren't really as powerful as just staying in Devastator Doctorine is for marines... much less the extra benefits you can get from the supplements.
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2019-11-28, 01:51 PM (ISO 8601)
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I think we all agree that Devastator Doctrine is a bit... much, even when not on Iron Hands, so I don't have an issue with the Sacred Rights, per se, though a few definitely need a boost or to just be replaced (looking at you Morale Re-roll). And I honestly don't get why they're hung up on that, only Sisters get the bonus, so who cares who you bring along?
Would Sisters like a Knight to help with their Tank Killing? Yes.
Would Ad Mech like a brick of Sisters for Denying while holding a midfield objective? Sure.
Except that we can't do that cuz we lose one of our biggest bonuses (the +3 on Deny) and even the loss of AP -1 on a 6 kinda sucks cuz Sisters can throw enough Bolter shots for cheap that they'll come up enough that you'll notice the lack of it.
Its just dumb, they aren't that good that they need them taken away, but they are good enough that you notice when you don't have them.
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2019-11-28, 03:47 PM (ISO 8601)
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Rumour has it that there'd be a point drop for Dark Reapers, Shining Spears, Hemlocks and Warlocks / Spiritseers.
Glad to see some well deserved improvements to a struggling faction. It'll make the unjustified point increase of the Crimson Hunter Exarch slightly less painful.
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2019-11-28, 08:12 PM (ISO 8601)
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2019-11-28, 08:52 PM (ISO 8601)
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I hadn't painted for a while, and I finally found my mojo again when I started painting my knights. I was pretty chronically known for starting stuff and getting distracted by other GW projects and rarely finishing anything, but this was different, this was fun, I'm going to actually finish an army before I get distracted and move on to something else for once.
Then I had to wait a fortnight for an order to come in, so to busy myself, I decided that since making a call on my knights colour scheme after multiple years, I'd do the same for my marines and did some tests and then painted up a dev squad to pass the time. Ya know, since I need a tournament army and all. Now I have minimal interest in going back to my knights.
"Hey Drasius, want to start Titanicus with us?" Yes. Yes I very much would love to playBattletechTitanicus with you. So now the marines are on the backburner after a week in the spotlight.
Why am I like this?
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2019-11-28, 09:28 PM (ISO 8601)
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2019-11-28, 09:59 PM (ISO 8601)
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2019-11-28, 10:17 PM (ISO 8601)
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Thats only for 'official' 2k games though. We havent played any of those in quite a while, since starting our narrative escalation campaign (Which Team Xenos isnt winning, due to lack of people :'(. Being capped at 3-wins per player sucks when Imperial and Chaos just zerg rush each other xD).
Also yeah, I was completely not serious about Craftworlds struggling (although I do think 15 pts. was a bit too much for the Exarch flyer). Nevertheless, points reductions are always welcome :D And it seems many struggling models will benefit. I mean, a 45 point drop sounds like a lot, but even that wont make Wraithknights useful
Being serious here, I think we can say that LansXero is in a meta almost as weird as Cheese's. I mean maybe it's super hostile to Eldar or something. IDK.
I try and tone down the arrogance and the 'told you' attitude because they're customers, but as mentioned before everyone here is used to being called out and 'bullied' so they can git gud.Last edited by LansXero; 2019-11-28 at 10:27 PM.
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2019-11-28, 10:29 PM (ISO 8601)
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Would you be less incensed if I told you it was the same ratio when I was using Index sisters or Dark Angels? Would it help if I said I once played a different faction every week for 3 months and went 10-1-1? Dunno what to say, perhaps I should just throw games to make people feel better?
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2019-11-28, 10:55 PM (ISO 8601)
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Considering that Index SoB were really good and early ed DA were also super strong, no, not really, since you've already told us this.
There's not much else to say - If your customers are "bads" (as Cheese has undiplomatically called them), it won't matter too much what you play, but pointing out that you have played a string of strong armies to a high win% against "bads" also does you no favours.
When I was playing against a new guy, I'd bring out my Thousand Sons or Iron Warriors in 6th/7th. If I wanted to have a casual game, I'd bring my mech tau. If I wanted to win a tournament, then it'd be Knights or Skyhammer cheese. Unfortunately for you, the army you like (Kraftworlders) isn't bad, so you don't conviniently have a trash tier army for teaching newbies, though with all the complaining about SoB you've done, that shouldn't be a problem shortly...
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2019-11-28, 11:37 PM (ISO 8601)
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I'll play my Eldar against newbies, but that's more so I can focus on teaching them their army and not have to worry about what my rules are. I actually find that Eldar make for a good opponent to learn against because they actually do stuff in every phase of the game. They move, and they advance. They use a bunch of psyker powers, and can deny them. They go into melee with lots of different units. They actually are effected by morale. They have a wide variety of unit types, and each unit looks very distinct.
Mind you, what army I run against a newbie is often just whatever army I brought in that day. I rarely intend to face a complete beginner. Though when I did teach 40K at a convention, I did end up splitting my Eldar in half, and teaching people using my Eldar.Spoiler: I'm a writer!Spoiler: Check out my fanfiction[URL="https://www.fanfiction.net/u/7493788/Forum-Explorer"here[/URL]
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2019-11-29, 03:06 AM (ISO 8601)
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So, everyone who wanted one really badly, pre-ordered a Sororitas box in less than three minutes.
Everyone else who wanted the Sororitas box, but then saw reviews, was like "Pfft...I'll wait a few months. See if they get good. If I still want them then, I'll get them. Who needs impulse control when a limited release will do it for you?"
Everyone else who read reviews was like "Pfft. No."
Then there's this one dude, who, today, drove 275km (170mi) to camp at our store two hours before open, to get a Sororitas box no-one was interested in.
Well played.
Meanwhile I picked up two Vanguard boxes, because Supressors still don't ****en exist and Eliminators will be sold out forever.
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2019-11-29, 04:10 AM (ISO 8601)
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but as mentioned before everyone here is used to being called out and 'bullied' so they can git gud.- Avatar by LCP -
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2019-11-29, 05:38 AM (ISO 8601)
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Aren't you one of the people who struggled to win games in 6th/7th with Eldar? (Honest question, I remember we had a couple of people here say that and I could never figure out why).
To be fair, that is pretty much just down the road for those of us in Qld.
And yes, I wish they'd hurry the **** up with the Suppressors already.
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Beasts of Nurgle 30
Bloodcrushers 40
Exalted Flamer 50
Fiends 37
Flamers 20
Burning Chariot 100
Exalted Seeker Chariot 70
Seeker Chariot 50
Skull Cannon 80
Soul Grinder 180
Feculent Gnarlmaws 85
Daemon Prince of Chaos 146
Daemon Prince with Wings 155
Daemonic axe 10
Hellforged sword 10
Malefic talons (one set/two sets) 0/10
Slimux 150
Infernal erap 70
Kairos 250
Lord of Change 250
Lord of Change with sword 255
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Keeper 210
Keeper aegis 220
Poxbringer 70
Rotigus 250
Shalaxi 220
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Skarbrand 290
Skullmaster 90
Skulltaker 84
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Bloodletters 7
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Chief Librarian Mephiston down 15 points to 145
Commander Dante down 25 points to 150
Gabriel Seth down 25 points to 110
The Sanguinor down 50 to 130
Death Company down 2 points to 15
Death Company Dreadnought down 10 points to 70
Elites Death Company Intercessors are 18 This must be a new unit, not a CP upgrade.
Furioso Dreadnought down 10 points to 60
Primaris Apothecary down 8 points to 60
Reivers down 2 points to 16
Sanguinary Ancient down 9 points to 55
Sanguinary Guard no change Angelus Boltgun down 3 to 0
Sanguinary Novitiate down 5 points to 50
Terminator Ancient down 21 points to 87
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Terv 162 (-18)
Tox 125 (-15)
Warriors 18 (-2)
Tyrannocyte 50 (-25)
both Trygons are 10pts cheaper due to talon costs changing
Acid spray 20 (-5)
Impaler cannon 25 (-5)
Rupture cannon 35 (-14)
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Azrael 150,
Belial 110,
Sam Sable 200
Sam Corvex 140/160
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Cultists down to 4,
chaos terms 23,
blight lords 34,
chaos rhino 65.
Possessed down to 17,
warp talons 19,
raptors 15,
Sorcs 80,
disco lord 150
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2019-11-29, 06:25 AM (ISO 8601)
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Re: Warhammer 40K Tabletop Thread XXXIX: Miracle on 39th Thread
Yesss welcome to Titanicus, king of games. If you can get your hands on last year's battleforce, that's a much more reasonable starter than the big Starter Set, even if you have to buy the rules seperately.
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2019-11-29, 06:30 AM (ISO 8601)
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My pile of shame is already at nigh unconquerable levels. It's not so much procrastination, just that I continue to buy more stuff faster than I finish old stuff. Finish 10 Devastators, buy a Reaver and a pair of Warhounds. I thought I had it kicked, but alas, it appears that I am in fact doomed to live forever.
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2019-11-29, 06:49 AM (ISO 8601)
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Hold on, when did I say OUR community is dying? Its never been stronger :s. Matter of fact, we've got an AoS tournament this weekend and its so packed between that and 40k that it ran out the MTG people. Plus, we're going strong on our second location at a different city, with people coming out of their Kill Team campaign around christmas and starting 750 and 1000 points games of 40k in the summer.
What makes the growth hard is the pricing. Plenty of people want to play, but proxying and lending only go so far. Its why we dont do WYSIWYG, because nobody can afford another whole box just for a couple of weapon bits. Also why, while it sucks money away from business, we turn a blind eye to orders from recasters, because 1/4 basic salary for a single HQ is insane. Current culture is pretty cool, but I guess you'd have to have been brought up in it or it may seem 'toxic'. For example, we just had a 12 people lunch for one of the 'new' players (1.5 years playing by now, but started with 8th and the store) who is going away to the US to work for the summer. The same people who keep making fun of how he rolls strings of 1 at a time or how 1k Sons smite spam is pure cheese or how he is whipped because his mom keeps making him drop games to go pick up his sisters put together a going away celebration and spent all day remembering all the clutch plays and funny times with the guy. End of college and start of work life often creates rifts that never close, so it was important for all of us. But sure, its a 'dying community' full of 'toxic' people.Last edited by LansXero; 2019-11-29 at 06:50 AM.
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2019-11-29, 08:52 AM (ISO 8601)
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Re: Warhammer 40K Tabletop Thread XXXIX: Miracle on 39th Thread
What I've found, is that it's not the telling of 'get good' that puts people off. It's the inability to get good, that puts people off. I've said it time and time again; Losing isn't what makes losers feel bad.
Ever tried telling a Necrons' player to get good? They can't. Unlike Grey Knights, there's not even any Allies to choose from. Once you have all the units you want out of your Necron Codex, that's it, you're done. If you're not good by then, you may as well change Faction. Don't want to change Faction? Well, looks like you're gonna quit, unless people in your meta deliberately cater to you and only you.
Ever tried telling a Space Marine player who has decided 'No Primaris Marines' ('cause that lets them use the same models that they've been using for 10 years, and what they really mean is 'I'm not buying new models') to get good? They can't. GW is slowly nerfing out small!Marines, and buffing in Big Bois. If you want to get good at Space Marines, buy new models (i.e; Ow my business model!).
A conversation should look like this:
Get Good!
"...How?"
Well, you may have noticed that basically everyone outside the competitive cancer scene, plays Maelstrom. Which means that any net-list you've pulled from an ITC tournament is inherently flawed. You can't just castle up and win games. You actually have to move around the board, and build an army that can claim board control, and using a play-style that doesn't involve sitting in a corner of the board for three turns and rely on racking 12 Kill Points on Turn 1...'Cause in Maelstrom, that's not a thing.
"Ohhh...Now I get it."
As opposed to...
Get Good!
"Well I have no intention of self-improvement, it's you who should cater to me, always. Even when I build a poor army, and even when I make stupid mistakes like sending a Phobos Captain into Melee and trying to pretend it's just as good as a Smash Captain, you still have cater for my mistakes and, I dunno...Just let me make mistakes and make it so I can win games!"
Uhh...Why would I not capitalise on your mistakes and get a basically free Warlord kill? (Regardless of our respective army lists, running a Phobos Captain into Melee is simplya mistakesomething a Bad would do)
"Reeeee...."
So, yeah.
"I spent all this money on these models, and they suck and there's nothing I can do about it." is what makes people quit in my experience.