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2021-02-15, 06:12 PM (ISO 8601)
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Re: Major character who has only appeared on 1 page in the entire OOTS saga
I'd just like to point out that saying that something unsupported is the case unless someone else can prove that it is not is an utter failure of logic. - Kish
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2021-02-15, 07:07 PM (ISO 8601)
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Hate me if you want. But that's your issue to fix, not mine.
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2021-02-15, 09:28 PM (ISO 8601)
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Re: Major character who has only appeared on 1 page in the entire OOTS saga
Here’s my personal hypothesis: the snarl is a metaphor for what happens anytime more than one creator tries to build a consensus project.
There are conflicts. Feelings get hurt.
Shortly after genesis, the entire project gets scrapped. Phil Collins and Peter Gabriel develop their own solo careers.
The snarl is what’s left over after the project gets scrapped. A tangle of arguments and complaints and bad feelings, and the creators lose any control.
But it turns out, you can still play Forgotten Realms, or Grayhawk, or your ICE middle earth modules, even though they’re out of print. There are still people in those worlds, happily listening to The Lamb Lies Down on Broadway on cassettes.
What I’m saying is that in my personal headcannon, I dont believe that the snarl actually destroys worlds. I think it just takes control away from the creators.
I doubt, however, that my headcannon will have any impact on the story that Rich is telling.Last edited by Dion; 2021-02-15 at 09:30 PM.
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2021-02-16, 12:10 AM (ISO 8601)
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Re: Major character who has only appeared on 1 page in the entire OOTS saga
It's pretty evident that something is going on with the Snarl, that the story we've been told shouldn't be taken at 100% face value (primarily the planet within the rift). My own theory is that the Gates did something to the Snarl. Diffused its power, or caused it to turn in on itself. Like Redcloak said in Azure City, it hadn't stepped a single tentacle out in months, until Larin tried poking through a completely different rift with her mind. The Snarl began to unravel, and form into its own world. Though this is somewhat off-topic.
I don't know if the Eastern Gods will show up. The fact that they're dead is kind of a huge sticking point for the setting; the gods can die, and that's why they fear the Snarl. If the Eastern gods ARE still alive within the Snarl, then that would raise the immediate question of "why didn't they notice this any of the billions upon billions of times the world has been destroyed before"?
It's been stated and repeated that the Snarl is a 4 color being while everything the gods make now is 3 color. The only way for the gods to get what they need is a ninth-level spell slot from Redcloak (presumably cast on the Gate) and/or the Dark One seeing reason. That's the goal, it's what the stakes are built around. Changing that goal in as significant a way as 'oh the other gods exist still' ruins the stakes.
I'm not saying Rich wouldn't be able to make that work, I'm saying that I don't see why he'd try it. (Acknowledging here that I don't have the full picture)Hate me if you want. But that's your issue to fix, not mine.
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2021-02-16, 04:57 AM (ISO 8601)
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I'm pretty sure Rich has said the Snarl is a metaphor for the conflicts that drive gaming groups apart, but I like your theory as to how that might play into the actual world and the Snarl not being what it seems (although your examples tend not to destroy their creators the same way the Snarl does). I'm less certain on your Genesis timeline, though.
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2021-02-16, 09:55 AM (ISO 8601)
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Re: Major character who has only appeared on 1 page in the entire OOTS saga
You found the secret message! Don't forget to edit the wiki!
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2021-02-16, 10:58 AM (ISO 8601)
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2021-02-17, 01:49 AM (ISO 8601)
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Hate me if you want. But that's your issue to fix, not mine.
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2021-02-17, 09:39 AM (ISO 8601)
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2021-02-17, 02:51 PM (ISO 8601)
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Re: Major character who has only appeared on 1 page in the entire OOTS saga
After reading this entire thread in one shot, I wanted to add my guesses to the pile.
1) Tenrin Thundershield - Possibly even as the vessel initially
2) Holey Brotherhood - may have been initially defeated, but help the OOTS to stop the "holes" from being moved
3) Troll/Dragon trapped by Tenrin - Has had a non-negligible affect on the story (at least Durkon's). Inadvertently shields Tenrin from being immediately crushed, he learns to become a force for good (before Tenrin eventually runs out of air/water/food).
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2021-02-17, 07:39 PM (ISO 8601)
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Re: Major character who has only appeared on 1 page in the entire OOTS saga
Tenrin has been in more than one page, I believe like 2 in the crayon pages and one real flashback.
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2021-02-18, 06:31 PM (ISO 8601)
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Attention LotR fans
Spoiler: LotRThe scouring of the Shire never happened. That's right. After reading books I, II, and III, I stopped reading when the One Ring was thrown into Mount Doom. The story ends there. Nothing worthwhile happened afterwards. Middle-Earth was saved.
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2021-02-18, 07:18 PM (ISO 8601)
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Re: Major character who has only appeared on 1 page in the entire OOTS saga
Would be pretty bad. Possibly bad enough that he'd have to go pick another "ally" to add in.
In any event, I went through all the 1 appearance characters from the number of appearances thread (which of course has the limitation that it only counts named/recognizable characters) and decided that the most likely ally was the Ghost of Lame Monsters Past, which is to say I have no idea who the character is.
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2021-02-19, 09:55 AM (ISO 8601)
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Re: Major character who has only appeared on 1 page in the entire OOTS saga
So, since this is looking to be tenatively Serini, I like to Congratulate Brian 333 for having the 2nd guess in thread being the right one. I was 7th guess, but also said the same.
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Belkar's Death Countdown best guess: 31/49 days used before Belkar is gone forever more! - updated to morning at 1190!
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2021-02-19, 10:54 AM (ISO 8601)
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Countdown to Belkar's death and my follow-up count gives us less then 3 weeks left. Poor Belkar.
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2021-02-19, 11:05 AM (ISO 8601)
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Re: Major character who has only appeared on 1 page in the entire OOTS saga
Yup. Posted to the wrong thread, maybe? We have (a very strong guess as to) the identity of the Green Voice now, but the one-appearance character is still unknown.
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2021-02-19, 11:33 AM (ISO 8601)
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Re: Major character who has only appeared on 1 page in the entire OOTS saga
Attention LotR fans
Spoiler: LotRThe scouring of the Shire never happened. That's right. After reading books I, II, and III, I stopped reading when the One Ring was thrown into Mount Doom. The story ends there. Nothing worthwhile happened afterwards. Middle-Earth was saved.
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2021-02-19, 11:47 AM (ISO 8601)
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Re: Major character who has only appeared on 1 page in the entire OOTS saga
With the new revelation that Serini was one of the voices in #1189 I went to check if Kraagor had had many appearances. The appearances thread however claimed he had had 18, so it's not him.
Anyway: I think the major ally is gonna be the orange voice at the end of #1189, and that is a character that has not been shown before(it may have been talked about like Buggy Lou, but I doubt it).
I further speculate that Serini is gonna be in opposition to the Order, but once orange voice realizes what Serini is planning they are gonna rebel and become an order ally.
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2021-02-19, 03:40 PM (ISO 8601)
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2021-02-19, 05:37 PM (ISO 8601)
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Re: Major character who has only appeared on 1 page in the entire OOTS saga
It's not that much of a stretch to say that neither the journal page (this one is pretty solid) or the crayon flashbacks (more questionable) count in the Giant's saying the person has only appeared once. It would be cheating a little, but it's still a plausible interpretation, especially since it seems pretty likely that Serini is going to have a major part to play, and you wouldn't think the Giant wants to introduce _too_ many new major players (although you can't rule out a final act where we find out that the story isn't the one we thought we were reading and the stakes are totally different, involving different characters).
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2021-02-20, 01:37 AM (ISO 8601)
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Re: Major character who has only appeared on 1 page in the entire OOTS saga
The other problem with it being Serini is that she not only breaks the literal requirement of only appearing on one page, she also misses the other requirement. From the Giant:
"What, you still want a hint of something specific yet to come? Something you're not expecting?"
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2021-02-20, 09:37 AM (ISO 8601)
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I think that's an overstatement of the giant's point. The realm of things that literally no one here is expecting is essentially a null set; a more reasonable read of this is "surprise to many readers."
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2021-02-20, 03:10 PM (ISO 8601)
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I think it's a good point. We didn't know whether Serini would be alive or not (though her being alive was always more likely, because we need her to give exposition on the Scribblers and their break-up); but everyone expected we would find out her status and this would be a key revelation in this book.
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2021-02-21, 01:01 AM (ISO 8601)
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Re: Major character who has only appeared on 1 page in the entire OOTS saga
Well sure, if you want to be reasonable. (^_~)
I'm a little surprised this is still being debated... the title of 1226 is the best possible two-word synopsis you could make for the first four posts of this thread.
Spoiler: quotes collapsed for space
A silly question with a point: At the time the Giant wrote those words, would anyone have said that a celebrity who pre-recorded a video for an event "made an appearance" (despite not being there in person)?
Even in a webcomic, there's a difference between someone showing up and a replayed image of them showing up.
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2021-02-21, 01:33 AM (ISO 8601)
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A silly counterpoint: by that logic Serini has made exactly zero appearances before the Giant wrote those words. Which still invalidates the one appearance clause.
Edit: On a slightly more serieus note, that is how "we" have been counting in the "Number of Character Appearances VII"-Thread. It listed Serini as 2 appearances in the comic, and 2 in the extra comics of printed books. All cases of flashbacks.
The diary entry however didn't count there (that one is under Other Interesting Alterations).Last edited by Yanisa; 2021-02-21 at 01:42 AM. Reason: A sudden realization
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2021-02-21, 05:51 AM (ISO 8601)
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I do think Serini is not someone who could be considered an "unexpected ally," given that the only reason we know who she is at all is that she was part of an adventuring team decades ago that was attempting essentially the same mission as the Order is here.
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2021-02-21, 05:52 AM (ISO 8601)
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1189, which shows the mysterious green-voiced assailant, was the last comic in book 6.
We're talking about the book 6 commentary.
Most people seem to now agree that Serini was the mysterious green-voiced assailant in 1189, not that that necessarily makes it certain.
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2021-02-21, 06:32 AM (ISO 8601)
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Proudly addicted to pointing out where exactly rules can be found.
Countdown to Belkar's death and my follow-up count gives us less then 3 weeks left. Poor Belkar.
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2021-02-21, 06:43 AM (ISO 8601)
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Guys, how do you interpret this marked part?
What, you still want a hint of something specific yet to come? Something you're not expecting? OK, how about this: Someone who has appeared in exactly one (1) page of the story so far (including all the prequel stories) will become an important ally in the first half of the next book. Good luck figuring that one out
I think it's the second one, Rich likes to surprise/troll us so I don't think it's an "obvious" answer and that's why we can't rule out the dead... or whose ally we are talking about here.
That said, my choice is Orrin Draketooth. I'm not the first to say this, I searched in this thread and the last time someone mentioned him was in 2019 but now we have more information. We know now that the green voice is a very changed Serini (well, I'm 99,5% sure) and she talks that way because she is half-dead or needs some magic mojo to stay alive or whatever it is that turned half of her body green-ish.
I know that saying that the orange voice has to be Orrin because all his family were red haired is an oversimplification but the fact is that it's implied that Serini and Girard had some kind of relationship and we know that Girard was a very paranoid guy that only trusted in his family, it could be the reason that he send one of his sons/grandsons to stay with Serini in order to maintain contact because he trusted her enough to do that.
So, Orrin maybe suffered a destiny similar to Serini's or he was "revived" using the same method after familicide killed him. His family has relation with dragons so maybe he could transform into one, that will explain the way he grabs Lien and O-Chul in 1189. Also, the drawings of dragons that we see on the wall of the warehouse could be from Orrin's daughter...now that I think about it, all that stuff can be said about her too but she's only fifteen, I hope not
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2021-02-21, 07:52 AM (ISO 8601)
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Re: Major character who has only appeared on 1 page in the entire OOTS saga
Well, I guess if we're going for the jackpot on silly then obviously the Giant was talking about Roy who has only "appeared" once (as a result of being resurrected). If the definitions "was physically present", "reflected photons in the visible light spectrum", "was presented to the public", and "seems likely" are all equally credible, then I guess "popped into existence" is fair game as well. (^_^)b