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    How? They got rid of that wand in the switch to 3rd Ed. Too bad, it was fun sticking annoying people to stuff.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Dausuul View Post
    Sure. It ties together a couple of long-standing mysteries (the "key way" in which Haley and Sabine are opposed; Haley's un-revealed secret) in a neat little way. It's wild speculation, obviously, but so is this entire thread.
    I think that first point has been explained by the Giant elsewhere, although I don't remember the exact quote...

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    something about Sabine secretly working for another organization and Haley secretly not working for another organization.


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    Maybe they will both viscously avenge the death of their lover.
    sounds slippery, but Elan is going to get a happy ending.

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    Btw, I've updated the list. However, I had to make a number of judgment calls on whether people were simply offering candidates for discussion, intended the candidate as a joke, or were saying they genuinely thought it was the candidate. I went with what the person seemed to actually intend, or whatever seemed funnier to me, depending on the situation. Look over the list and let me know if you want me to make a change.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Crusher View Post
    Btw, I've updated the list. However, I had to make a number of judgment calls on whether people were simply offering candidates for discussion, intended the candidate as a joke, or were saying they genuinely thought it was the candidate. I went with what the person seemed to actually intend, or whatever seemed funnier to me, depending on the situation. Look over the list and let me know if you want me to make a change.
    Link for easiness: http://www.giantitp.com/forums/shows...&postcount=130
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    Oh, thanks for the link. I intended to do that and totally forgot.
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    Haley's mistrust and all-purpose greed has already helped the Order a few times, such as when he figured out Xykon's shell game at the Azure city siege. This time it could be a different aspect of her personality that helps the Order. That aspect of her personality is represented by Haley with green hair and green dress in #381 final panel. The wiki calls that aspect "Haley's envy", but I don't insist on envy specifically. I know that an aspect of personality isn't a "character", but that quote from the Giant doesn't say "character", that word was brought in by the thread title.

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    Quote Originally Posted by b_jonas View Post
    Haley's mistrust and all-purpose greed has already helped the Order a few times, such as when he figured out Xykon's shell game at the Azure city siege. This time it could be a different aspect of her personality that helps the Order. That aspect of her personality is represented by Haley with green hair and green dress in #381 final panel. The wiki calls that aspect "Haley's envy", but I don't insist on envy specifically. I know that an aspect of personality isn't a "character", but that quote from the Giant doesn't say "character", that word was brought in by the thread title.
    I was thinking of proposing Haley’s Latent Bisexuality as a candidate earlier, but it felt just silly enough to not do without prompting.
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    Quote Originally Posted by AdAstra View Post
    I was thinking of proposing Haley’s Latent Bisexuality as a candidate earlier, but it felt just silly enough to not do without prompting.
    I wonder what she looks like since getting upgraded to Haley's Bisexuality.

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    I wonder what she looks like since getting upgraded to Haley's Bisexuality.
    Wait, since when Haley's bisexuality is not latent any more?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Dausuul View Post
    Sure. It ties together a couple of long-standing mysteries (the "key way" in which Haley and Sabine are opposed; Haley's un-revealed secret) in a neat little way. It's wild speculation, obviously, but so is this entire thread.
    I mean, to me the whole reasoning behind the speculation Haley going "I might not be exactly.." (or whatever she said) and jumping on that to mean she's going to say "human" when theres literally nothing else that hints that Haley is anything other than human, seems like too huge a leap even for wild speculation.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Rrmcklin View Post
    ...seems like too huge a leap even for wild speculation.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Rrmcklin View Post
    I mean, to me the whole reasoning behind the speculation Haley going "I might not be exactly.." (or whatever she said) and jumping on that to mean she's going to say "human" when theres literally nothing else that hints that Haley is anything other than human, seems like too huge a leap even for wild speculation.
    I don't agree. We know this is Haley's deepest secret that she hasn't told anyone, and it has to fit the given sentence pattern. There are not a lot of possibilities that fit all the information. (At least, this goes all the way back to book 2, and in all that time, we haven't actually seen a lot of guesses that really fit.) So anything that does fit should not be rejected just because it's become a meme in forum speculation. Rich had something in mind when he dropped that little hint.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Sir_Norbert View Post
    I don't agree. We know this is Haley's deepest secret that she hasn't told anyone, and it has to fit the given sentence pattern. There are not a lot of possibilities that fit all the information. (At least, this goes all the way back to book 2, and in all that time, we haven't actually seen a lot of guesses that really fit.) So anything that does fit should not be rejected just because it's become a meme in forum speculation. Rich had something in mind when he dropped that little hint.
    Straight. "It turns out I may not be axactly what you would call straight" said the girl with a repressed bisexuality.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Fyraltari View Post
    Straight. "It turns out I may not be axactly what you would call straight" said the girl with a repressed bisexuality.
    Earlier in this she admitted that she's kissed girls, so I think thats less likely.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Fyraltari View Post
    Straight. "It turns out I may not be axactly what you would call straight" said the girl with a repressed bisexuality.
    Two panels earlier: "I kissed a girl once. OK, OK, more than once!"

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    "...a certified member in good standing of the Thieves' Guild" is certainly plausible too.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ruck View Post
    "...a certified member in good standing of the Thieves' Guild" is certainly plausible too.
    "Elan, it turns out I may not be exactly what you would call a certified member in good standing of the Thieves' Guild."

    Not only would that be incredibly tortuous phrasing in its own right, but it hardly fits with "it turns out I may not be..." - that implies it's something Haley has DISCOVERED about herself rather than something she's DONE (like quit).

    Also not convinced it would be the thing she would most dread Elan finding out about...

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    "I'm not really in the Thieves' Guild anymore." is what she says in Panel 7 of that same strip...
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    Quote Originally Posted by Gift Jeraff View Post
    "I'm not really in the Thieves' Guild anymore." is what she says in Panel 7 of that same strip...
    Ah, but what about being certified and in good standing?
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    I should probably have re-read the actual strip / cryptogram translations before suggesting anything.

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    Julia Greenhilt's blonde friend only appeared in a single page...

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    why not one of the good aligned goblins?
    http://www.giantitp.com/comics/oots0093.html

    We see a few of them just once I think.

    Mind you, I’m just guessing for fun. I doubt this will pan out
    Well they were almost certainly killed to a goblin when that thrice cursed villainous malefactor Elan blew up the Dungeon of Dorukan, that's one reason.

    Even if one or more of them survived, the aforementioned atrocity would be a fine motivation to swear an oath of vengeance against the Order - the Greenhilt oath was sworn for less. Far less. Even, no especially, good aligned goblins would stand against him. A goblin paladin would seek to bring Elan to justice for his terrible, terrible crimes for example.

    Quote Originally Posted by Ruck View Post
    sounds slippery, but Elan is going to get a happy ending.
    What's this then? That page is even called 'happy ending'.

    Then there's Tasha's Hideous Laughter to consider. Or spending fifty years rotting in the deepest, dankest dungeon in the cosmos for crimes against goblinanity, escaping, then dying happily because he was free. Or have a heart attack while... *cough* doing, you know, that.

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    I should probably have re-read the actual strip / cryptogram translations before suggesting anything.
    https://www.mrphlip.com/haley.php?show=309

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    What's this then? That page is even called 'happy ending'.
    That is an illusion.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ruck View Post
    That is an illusion.
    And also the whole point of that prophecy was to make us feel assured that this story wouldn't end depressingly (cause thats not the Giant's style), I think I've heard he said that in W&XPs commentary.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Schroeswald View Post
    I recognize that Conservation of Detail is Overrated, but I find the event that I am using as evidence for my theory above important enough/given enough focus to qualify for what I call Elan’s Exception, “Who wastes perfectly good foreshadowing like that?”. Also I have never correctly predicted any event in any piece of media so take this theory with a grain of salt (I call this Peelee’s Ye Old Reminder).

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    Quote Originally Posted by Crusher View Post
    Btw, I've updated the list. However, I had to make a number of judgment calls on whether people were simply offering candidates for discussion, intended the candidate as a joke, or were saying they genuinely thought it was the candidate. I went with what the person seemed to actually intend, or whatever seemed funnier to me, depending on the situation. Look over the list and let me know if you want me to make a change.
    Thanks for putting me in the list.

    I understand that suggesting the MitD for a character that's appeared on only one page seems like a joke, but it seems to me to fit the literal text of what was said, and it seems to me that it is a joke that The Giant is likely to make. It's a joke about a joke about a joke, and that's funny.
    The end of what Son? The story? There is no end. There's just the point where the storytellers stop talking.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Crusher View Post
    Btw, I've updated the list. However, I had to make a number of judgment calls on whether people were simply offering candidates for discussion, intended the candidate as a joke, or were saying they genuinely thought it was the candidate. I went with what the person seemed to actually intend, or whatever seemed funnier to me, depending on the situation. Look over the list and let me know if you want me to make a change.
    For the record, I was absolutely joking about Xyklon the Consequential, but I am very amused that you drew the line at my guess, so I have zero objections whatsoever to having that be my official guess!
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    For the record, my three guesses were serious.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Petrocorus View Post
    Wait, since when Haley's bisexuality is not latent any more?
    I can't recall if there's an earlier mention, but Haley definitely seems fine with the idea that she's dated girls in the past here, which implies that she's now fine with being bi.

    Quote Originally Posted by Reboot View Post
    "Elan, it turns out I may not be exactly what you would call a certified member in good standing of the Thieves' Guild."

    Not only would that be incredibly tortuous phrasing in its own right, but it hardly fits with "it turns out I may not be..." - that implies it's something Haley has DISCOVERED about herself rather than something she's DONE (like quit).

    Also not convinced it would be the thing she would most dread Elan finding out about...
    I'll definitely agree that it feels like somewhat unnatural wording, but I always read "it turns out I may not be" as sort of a quasi-conscious verbal stalling tactic because she's really reluctant to talk about... whatever it was, rather than expressing any uncertainty about or unfamiliarity with the subject on her part.

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    Did any of the high priests at the um.. conclave? What did they call it? Only appear on one page?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Crusher View Post
    Did any of the high priests at the um.. conclave? What did they call it? Only appear on one page?
    Maybe, but here's the thing - if the Godsmoot ended before the conclusion of the OOTS' quest, every single High Priest from at least the Northern Pantheon whose god voted to preserve the world would Wind Walk (or something quicker if they have it available) to the North Pole immediately, delayed only by Sendings to tell their lower priests with enough levels to be useful to follow. And some of the others may do the same thing to STOP the world being saved.

    Hence why it's stuck in a tie for an indefinite period of time. It keeps all those guys safely out of the way of the main story. As such, it's not quite as unlikely as the idea of an Eastern God showing up - which would completely break the idea that Thor & co need Durkon to get Redcloak/TDO's help - but it's only a step or two behind.
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