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Thread: Mafia/WW Red Atlantic Cruise
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2020-01-06, 02:08 AM (ISO 8601)
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Re: Mafia/WW Red Atlantic Cruise
Right, so, as usual:
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PartyOfRouges 7 (C’nor, Snowblaze, Silent_Interim, Valmark, Elenna, JeenLeen, Xihirli
Posted without voting: none
Didn’t post: flat_footed, PartyOfRouges, The Outsider, flyinglemur, Chrysocolla
I’m not going to vote for JeenLeen or C’nor: instead I’m votingflyinglemur. They haven’t posted since their self-defence vote Day One, so I think we need to hear more from them at this point.Last edited by Snowblaze; 2020-01-07 at 03:43 AM.
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2020-01-06, 02:11 AM (ISO 8601)
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Re: Mafia/WW Red Atlantic Cruise
I'll go along with that.
FlyinglemurLast edited by Lady Serpentine; 2020-01-07 at 10:10 PM.
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2020-01-06, 03:40 AM (ISO 8601)
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Re: Mafia/WW Red Atlantic Cruise
Oh yes, because lynching inactive players has gone so well for us this game.
I actually want to hear more out of Xihirli. Who has been active, but not really contributing. Which is much more suspicious behaviour to me.
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2020-01-06, 03:57 AM (ISO 8601)
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Re: Mafia/WW Red Atlantic Cruise
...point, I guess. I’m not trying to get flyinglemur lynched, just to contribute more. I wouldn’t be against lynching Xihirli, though, but I’ll leave my vote where it is for now.
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2020-01-06, 04:31 AM (ISO 8601)
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Re: Mafia/WW Red Atlantic Cruise
I'm suspicious of either FlyingLemur or Flat_Footed on account of the others having given me more reasons to think they're town/neutral, either on gut feeling or by what they said honestly (I'm thinking Silent_Interim isn't one completely on gut, for example. They are probably my fourth pick?). There's also Chrysocholla, but since if I'm not wrong they shunned the american wagon last time (gotta go check again) they might be american so I'll ignore them.
So, since it looks like others are already voting for Flying, I'm going to vote forFlat_Footed. Them too posted only once here that I can remember.
Nevermind, Flat posted twice which looks like the bare minumum to not get auto-lynched, so I'm going for [COLOR="#FF0000"]FlyingLemur[/COLOR] on account of them having posted only on day 2. They might just post today and it would be equal, but whatever.Last edited by Valmark; 2020-01-06 at 06:27 PM.
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2020-01-06, 04:54 AM (ISO 8601)
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Re: Mafia/WW Red Atlantic Cruise
flat_footed voted for AV day one and gac3 day three, so they’ve posted more than once, but they’re still fairly inactive as they haven’t posted day 2 or 4.
... and I was ninja-edited.Last edited by Snowblaze; 2020-01-06 at 04:54 AM.
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2020-01-06, 05:07 AM (ISO 8601)
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Re: Mafia/WW Red Atlantic Cruise
Maybe the madman is a ninja and is not one of those aboard. Or faked their death.
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2020-01-06, 07:31 AM (ISO 8601)
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Re: Mafia/WW Red Atlantic Cruise
To be honest, that sounds just as plausible as most of the theories I could come up with. Can confirm I'm definitely not the madman, though - I tried (and failed) to kill someone to see if I was the madman without knowing it.
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2020-01-06, 09:21 AM (ISO 8601)
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Re: Mafia/WW Red Atlantic Cruise
Well, it's nice to see that a Russian faction does truly exist. And I'm glad to see that I'm not secretly the madman: as C'nor confirmed, the person I scried did not die.
I'm pretty sure C'nor is the Hacker, so I'm against voting for her.
Is there any strong reason for voting for flyinglemur besides not having posted much?
In my first game, when I was a wolf, I learned to was dangerous to make claims about being too Towny. Looks like a wolf trying to confirm their innocence. So Snowblaze.
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2020-01-06, 10:37 AM (ISO 8601)
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Re: Mafia/WW Red Atlantic Cruise
How can one be too towny?
Anyway, I'm voting them because they are tied for those with less town factors towards them- they, coincidentally, are also very inactive.
Can't speak for the others.
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2020-01-06, 10:55 AM (ISO 8601)
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Re: Mafia/WW Red Atlantic Cruise
Of course, not meaning truly being "towny", but stating things such as "I did X to confirm my innocence" without any provocation can be seen as an honest statement or be seen as a wolf trying to surround themself with an aura of innocence.
It's not much to go on, I admit, but it seems better than just voting for somebody due to inactivity.
As someone told me, it's better to show one's Townishness through voting and giving information/deductions than to explicitly state one is town. Or at least such seems the metagame in the forums, and as much as it is counter-intuitive to me in some ways, I feel like going along with it at least currently as no better suspicious behavior exists to my eyes.
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2020-01-06, 04:17 PM (ISO 8601)
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Re: Mafia/WW Red Atlantic Cruise
I'm afraid I haven't had much to contribute. But that all changes today, because I believe I have discovered the identity of the madman.
We can be fairly certain that this was the madman's first shot. All the shots so far have been wasted attacks (on Caerulea), or attacks between the American and Russian factions.
So why hasn't the madman been shooting?
I posit that the madman's power is something like this:
You have a single shot to night-kill. Every night, you may scry one role / scan one target / some other ability that allows you to start narrowing down roles.
So for the first few nights, the madman's been gathering information to decide who their one kill is. And what do they find out end of night one, regardless of who they've targeted?
Someone else has a night-kill. And that someone else is their biggest threat. As time goes by and they gather information every night they find out that it's two somebodies, and they only have one shot. They need to get one of them dead by lynch, and the other dead by any means, preferably whatever's fastest. Probably their night-kill.
So how do they get the first person with a night-kill dead? Well, they have a scry-like ability. They know who they need dead... so...
C'norbumped off someone with a night kill. I'm not sure if C'nor actually is the madman, but if not I think they're working with the madman.Last edited by Xihirli; 2020-01-07 at 07:48 AM.
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2020-01-06, 06:21 PM (ISO 8601)
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Re: Mafia/WW Red Atlantic Cruise
This makes sense. Well, more then other things I heard and said.
It doesn't explain some other weird things I've seen in this game, but I'm not sure those will be explained until the end.
It was to my understanding that the wolves could kill one person each night anyway? Regardless of powers I mean?
I'll vote forC'nor.It's a better theory then what we had up until now and it makes sense. Not completely, but it will suffice.
I still find something dubious- I see the chances of such a wolf winning very slim, but I'll go along.Last edited by Valmark; 2020-01-07 at 06:56 AM.
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2020-01-06, 07:07 PM (ISO 8601)
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Re: Mafia/WW Red Atlantic Cruise
Well that theory is convincing enough for me, I'll vote C'nor. To be honest the reason I haven't been voting is because I have no clue what's happening at this point. All that spy counter-spy faction jazz has thrown me for a complete loop, and I figured it would be best to stay out of it and see if I could figure something out in the background. I've yet to be able to, so I'll trust Xihirli on this.
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2020-01-06, 08:51 PM (ISO 8601)
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Re: Mafia/WW Red Atlantic Cruise
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2020-01-06, 09:19 PM (ISO 8601)
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Re: Mafia/WW Red Atlantic Cruise
The C'nor theory feels a bit too far-fetched/complicated to me, although maybe I'm just underestimating this game.
Not feeling very well right now, I'll just put a vote onflat_footedfor being just inactive enough to not be autolynched. Could be trying to fly under the radar? IDK.
Also, is there a reason Chrysocolla hasn't been autoed yet?Last edited by Elenna; 2020-01-07 at 12:16 PM.
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2020-01-06, 09:44 PM (ISO 8601)
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Re: Mafia/WW Red Atlantic Cruise
It's evidence that they have been posting in a QT- Caerulea did say that you didn't have to post in here to avoid getting lynched automatically.
At least I think. If I'm not wrong Chrysocholla last post was on day 1? I couldn't find another one but I'm in sleep-deprivation mode right now, so it's plausible I'd miss it.
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2020-01-06, 09:59 PM (ISO 8601)
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Re: Mafia/WW Red Atlantic Cruise
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2020-01-07, 02:06 AM (ISO 8601)
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Re: Mafia/WW Red Atlantic Cruise
That’s... quite a theory. I mean, the points you make are all valid, but it’s a massive leap to say that that makes C’nor the madman. There are also a couple of holes in this theory: if C’nor isn’t the Hacker I don’t know why the actual Hacker hasn’t counter-claimed, and how did she get the information she did unless she did have the hacker’s powers?
I mean, it’s possible but I personally find it very implausible without much evidence. (Also, I get the feeling “this is Xihirli, trusting her is never a good idea”). So keeping my vote where it is for now. Unless there’s any more evidence for this theory?
Edit: there’s a good chance I’ll end up regretting this, but Xihirli. I feel like making a bold accusation with little evidence is very suspicious.Last edited by Snowblaze; 2020-01-07 at 03:42 AM.
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2020-01-07, 07:10 AM (ISO 8601)
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Re: Mafia/WW Red Atlantic Cruise
Well, it pains me but I have to change my vote one last time. But it'll stay there, this time. Xihirli.
Thinking about it, Snow is right. And, there are other things Xi did/said that kind of worry me, though I can't really say them since I have no way to prove them. Though it doesn't really make completely sense, so it's better then the C'nor theory but only marginally.
Also, C'nor, your inbox is filled.Last edited by Valmark; 2020-01-07 at 07:17 AM.
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2020-01-07, 07:49 AM (ISO 8601)
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Re: Mafia/WW Red Atlantic Cruise
There’s no public role list; why do you think there’s a real hacker?
Regardless I have good news for everybody who finds my accusation far-fetched and silly.
My accusation was far-fetched and silly.
I figured the only person who would go for it would be the person who knew C’nor wasn’t the killer, so they could get two false lynches out of this: C’nor, then me.
Because a wolf can’t resist a target that isn’t them that can be blamed on somebody else.
Eh, [COLOR="#FF0000”]Flyinglemur[/color]?Last edited by Xihirli; 2020-01-07 at 07:50 AM.
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2020-01-07, 08:01 AM (ISO 8601)
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...I actually found it to make sense, that's an hit to my ego xD. Or I'm the wolf.
Also, the color code isn't working, though it looks ok?Last edited by Valmark; 2020-01-07 at 08:12 AM.
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2020-01-07, 08:05 AM (ISO 8601)
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Re: Mafia/WW Red Atlantic Cruise
Lemur popping up from inactive is indeed suspicious.
Chrysocolla hasn't had a forum-capable device for a bit, I know them from elsewhere.Last edited by Lady Serpentine; 2020-01-07 at 08:06 AM.
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2020-01-07, 08:09 AM (ISO 8601)
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Re: Mafia/WW Red Atlantic Cruise
Because the hacker was one of the town roles listed in the OP, and we already know the cook and newly-weds exist(ed).
I mean, I could understand a move like that, but... how do I know you're telling the truth? One of the major things I've picked up so far is "trusting Xihirli is always a bad idea". And Silent_Interim's original point is still valid (showing up after that and trying a silly and far-fetched idea makes you more suspicious).
And I can also understand flyinglemur's being completely confused (I certainly am!) so I'll let them live. Although if it turns out you're town they're next on my suspect list.
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2020-01-07, 08:43 AM (ISO 8601)
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Re: Mafia/WW Red Atlantic Cruise
No.
I’m not dying like this. Cowering behind a scapegoat, pretending my actions are their fault? Nothing but my protests and a “ game over” screen to sing me to my rest?
A plague on that!
That’s sinking down to your level.
You call me an aberration, you call me ‘mad,’ but I’ve done nothing you all haven’t done. You were killing each other when I arrived, and you’ll keep killing each other when I’m dead.
The only difference is that I don’t hide my actions behind a cursed flag.
Somewhere in your mess of war and politics you tried to label me. Call me “mad.” A plague on your labels. We’re the same.
So kill me if you like. But you’ll never rid yourself of madness: We’re all the madwomen, plural.
Feel free to prove it by killing me.Last edited by Xihirli; 2020-01-07 at 08:43 AM.
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2020-01-07, 08:58 AM (ISO 8601)
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Re: Mafia/WW Red Atlantic Cruise
Wait... did Xihirli just claim to be the wolf? (Note that she has done that before while being town.)
The fact that all the deaths until the last one were gunshots, whereas the last one was a stabbing, does give credence to the idea that the former kills were spy kills and this last one the first wolf kill. It does seem very odd that the wolf hasn't been killing, but maybe the theory (Xi's theory, right?) that the wolf just has one kill is true, and the rest were between the American and Russian spies. I guess it's possible each spy network had a kill power, and the game expected most of the deaths to be caused by spies with the wolf hiding and waiting to strike at a pivotal moment. Odd methodology, but Caerulea said this was an odd game.
Valmark believed that the Americans killed Grek, so maybe he's part of one of the spy networks (Russian?) and knows that a spy network has a kill power? That's why he assumed they had a kill power?
Actually, since there are a Russian and American coordinator, I wonder if the spy networks started out in communication with one another akin to how the Newlyweds do... or, if not the spies altogether, the Coordinator had a way to network them. That would allow coordination such that the networks could really fight each other, with the town caught in the crossfire.
Very odd, all in all.
Also, I'll repeat that, at least to my knowledge, I'm the only Chinese agent. If there are any other Chinese agents in the game, feel free to contact me. Or, if you want to claim Chinese and thus manipulate me for your personal goals, that's also a good reason. Of course, my trust will be limited. (I feel a little odd saying this, but I claimed Chinese a good while ago, and nobody night-killed me, so I guess the American/Russian factions don't care about me.)
Oddly, I don't quite believe Xihirli's wolf-claim. I'll think about changing my vote as I see how discussion and voting changes during this day.
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2020-01-07, 09:00 AM (ISO 8601)
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Re: Mafia/WW Red Atlantic Cruise
But we're killing people to stay alive. You're killing people just because you can. (I mean, you're basically admitting you're the madman, right? Whatever you want to call it?)
And what about the ones who don't have female pronouns? Wouldn't "madpeople" be a better term?
(Also, I am perfectly sane and resent your implication that I'm not.)
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2020-01-07, 09:07 AM (ISO 8601)
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Re: Mafia/WW Red Atlantic Cruise
Sucks being labeled incorrectly, doesn’t it?
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2020-01-07, 09:12 AM (ISO 8601)
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Re: Mafia/WW Red Atlantic Cruise
Vote count check. Does this look right currently?
I'm considering moving my vote due to the... well, wolf-claim, but want to make sure I understand the current situation first.
1 flyinglemur: C'nor,
3 Xihirli: Silent_Interim, Snowblaze, Valmark
1 Snowblaze: JeenLeen
2 C'nor: flyinglemur, Xihirli (with error in color code)
1 flat_footed: Elenna
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2020-01-07, 09:12 AM (ISO 8601)
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Re: Mafia/WW Red Atlantic Cruise
What makes you think I’m a Russian spy? And... why capybaras?