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    Default Re: Gunnerkrigg Court 8: Thrown for a Loup

    Weather reading...something connected to Zimmy?

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    Tony is such a ****.

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    Quote Originally Posted by wingnutx View Post
    Tony is such a ****.
    Honestly at this point I think it's more likely that 'Tony has severe social anxiety and has no idea how to deal'.

    He actually seems to be trying in these past two pages, but just cannot get over whatever it is about Court Annie that makes her hard for him to be around without freaking out.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Yuki Akuma View Post
    Honestly at this point I think it's more likely that 'Tony has severe social anxiety and has no idea how to deal'.

    He actually seems to be trying in these past two pages, but just cannot get over whatever it is about Court Annie that makes her hard for him to be around without freaking out.
    Don't forget this is the man who abandoned her and then returned only to be monstrous. He's been a consistently terrible father even if you cut him a ton of slack for circumstances.
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    Quote Originally Posted by theKOT View Post
    Don't forget this is the man who abandoned her and then returned only to be monstrous. He's been a consistently terrible father even if you cut him a ton of slack for circumstances.
    Yes, he knows he's a terrible father. That's why he "abandoned" her (read: sent her to live with his close trusted friends who he knew would do a much better job of raising her and where she was very happy) while he went off to dedicate his life to keep her from dying if she had a child. This in turn is because he lacks the ability to form proper emotional connections*, which really isn't his fault.

    *I'm guessing severe autism, but this being GK there's probably some much more fantastical explanation.
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    The development of Tony and Annie's relationship has been my favorite part of GC for a while now. It ignores the easy trope of Tony being a horrible abusive father because he's a bad person. Neither has it tried to sugarcoat things - what Tony did was awful and the story has pulled no punches. It also ignores the "sudden revelation, now everything is cool" plot that most media employs. Their relationship is deeply broken and has damaged both Tony and Annie to the point they cannot interact anymore - even if both of them are aware the other is trying.

    Adding an extra Annie has been an interesting twist on it. Tony doesn't think of Forest Annie as "his" Annie, and as such is able to have a much more normal relationship with her. Which only twists the knife deeper into Court Annie...

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    Tony was so awful on his return that I stopped reading the comic for several months, and had to be talked into going back.
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    It's good to have a bad character be complicated and not change immediately in one story arc. But sometimes it seems like the characters are acting like Tony's problem is being closed off and awkward, rather than being abusive and neglectful. Like, Kat became friends with him without any issue. She punched a death god for Annie but was willing to look past what Tony did?

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    Quote Originally Posted by SZbNAhL View Post
    Yes, he knows he's a terrible father. That's why he "abandoned" her (read: sent her to live with his close trusted friends who he knew would do a much better job of raising her and where she was very happy) while he went off to dedicate his life to keep her from dying if she had a child. This in turn is because he lacks the ability to form proper emotional connections*, which really isn't his fault.

    *I'm guessing severe autism, but this being GK there's probably some much more fantastical explanation.
    ... while she felt unloved and abandoned because he never explained anything to her and she was just a child?
    When he returned and immediately shamed and disciplined her?
    When he has not once that we've seen tried to explain this to her in any detail?

    Don't get me wrong, I see the factors that make this less egregious, but he's still accountable for his actions and severely in the negative here. As someone else has said, many characters/the plot just shrugging this off only makes things seem worse because of the dissonance.

    Slightly aside, I didn't get the impression from anywhere that he left to try to help annie. He felt he couldn't face her after Surma died and then was researching for the court then went to find the psychopomps and thought he could reach Surma through the antenna. He doesn't mention trying to help her. Even Donnie says "what you just saw doesn't excuse anything he did".
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    Nope. nope, this is not ominous, unsettling, and scary IN THE SLIGHTEST!

    God, I hope Gamma's all right.

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    Quote Originally Posted by theKOT View Post
    Don't get me wrong, I see the factors that make this less egregious, but he's still accountable for his actions and severely in the negative here. As someone else has said, many characters/the plot just shrugging this off only makes things seem worse because of the dissonance.
    I actually like Tony but I want to say that for myself (and I think others that like him) it's not about his actions being less egregious so much as it is about accepting those mistakes and moving on. If you only ever saw me at my worst you'd think I was scum. Most people, at some point in their lives, make horrible decisions and/or lash out at those who they love and care for. That's not a good thing but it's also not an individuals entire existence. It's not the entirety of 'who they are.' Tony is a **** father whose made some horrible mistakes. I think he knows that - his friends and family certainly know that. What would be the gain in just ****ting on him? Try to force him to make amends for things he's done when he seems literally incapable of doing so? He's not happy that he's broken - he simply is.

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    Is....is Zimmy somehow inside Loup?

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    I think this is related to her being tormented by the birds.

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    That was short. And confusing. And ominous.

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    Just noticing:

    Gamma is the third letter of the Greek alphabet.

    Zimmy's real name, Zeta, is also a letter in the Greek alphabet, the sixth (don't know that the number matters but just thought I'd include the details).

    Omega is often used to symbolize the end because it is the last letter of the Greek alphabet.

    Don't know what it means, but Zimmy went from calling one name, Gamma, to saying the other as if she recognized it. It may be that she's just aware of what Loup said. But, maybe Omega is something alive (or close to it) that Zimmy, being Zimmy is aware of.

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    Isn't Omega the name of the Court project to control the aether?

    And I can't believe I didn't catch the connection between Gamma, Zeta, and Omega. I'm Greek for pete's sake!
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    The "Omega Device" was first mentioned in Chapter 53 by Tony.

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    Site is down nevermind, it's back.

    Here we go with Zimmy.
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    If we were in Zimmyworld, there'd be scenes of death and mayhem visible though the windows, and the angles would be funny. So I think this is still the Court. And that something is chasing her.

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    Nasty elves!

    Not that they're totally wrong.

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    Quote Originally Posted by wingnutx View Post
    Not that they're totally wrong.
    Heh, elves seem to have no issue with seeing through those illusions.
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    And NOW we get to the crux of the matter. Where is Gamma?

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    BAD!!!! Reverse course! Retreat! Run away! GET OUT OF THERE, ANNIE!!!!

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    I love how fake-Renardine is just repeating Surma over and over again, like a Videogame NPC.

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    I forgot that Zimmy is terrified of Kat.

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