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    As Roy points out, if the world ends in a way or another, all blood oaths are technically fulfilled. Therefore, any remaining oathspirits would be allowed into the afterlife. Probably Mechanus for Eugene, as he doesn't strike me as "good", plus I think filling paperwork until he's bored out of his immortal mind would be pretty fitting.
    Frankly, he never struck me as any more Lawful than he is Good. Neglecting his various duties once he gets disinterested in them is half his deal.

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    I don't think Hilgya's plan can work at all. If it could, there would be other high-level characters from previous worlds (or their descendants) hanging around in the outer planes or even planeshifting back to Stick world.
    Why? That presumes they would have known about it to start with. And would have somehow survived the large amount of time between worlds.
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    "Survivors from the previous world" seems like a flawless explanation for Fruit Pie and mocha latté to me.
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    "Survivors from the previous world" seems like a flawless explanation for Fruit Pie and mocha latté to me.
    Neither of which are movie theater snacks.
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    Neither of which are movie theater snacks.
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    Neither of which are movie theater snacks.
    Well, soy latté was trying to be.

    That raises a question: Was the intermission in #301 a flashback to the sentient movie-theater snacks world? I think #1140 implies it was, since the context of #1140 #1140 implies it's a flashback to that world, and in that strip Soda is getting revenge on Pizza for killing Milk Dudes in #301.
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    Frankly, he never struck me as any more Lawful than he is Good. Neglecting his various duties once he gets disinterested in them is half his deal.
    Very true, but SoD reveals that he actually cared enough about his family to refuse to leave them to fulfill his vengeance when given the opportunity. But maybe that was him justifying his aloofness. In any case, I think you're right and he's most likely closer to True neutral.

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    Why? That presumes they would have known about it to start with. And would have somehow survived the large amount of time between worlds.
    You don't need to know about the details to planeshift "if'n it all starts shakin'" if you have the spell prepared or you could be traveling there for other reasons. Also see "descendants" and "immortal beings such an lichs".
    In billions of worlds, it would seem likely such conditions were already met several times. If not, then the gods would have to make a decision this time, but I really don't think they would let people hang out in the outer planes when they remake the world. Not if those people or their great-geat-grandchildren might be still alive (or still undead) when it's finished.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Coppercloud View Post
    Very true, but SoD reveals that he actually cared enough about his family to refuse to leave them to fulfill his vengeance when given the opportunity. But maybe that was him justifying his aloofness.
    Considering at the time he made that statement he was drinking at a bar to purposely miss his son's soccer game, I think it's more the latter. (Although I wouldn't phrase what he's justifying as his aloofness; maybe his cowardice, or his probably-accurate assessment that he would not be able to defeat Xykon, or whatever other reason he has for refusing the call.)

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ruck View Post
    Well, soy latté was trying to be.
    Seriously, who eats pizza at a movie theater?

    That raises a question: Was the intermission in #301 a flashback to the sentient movie-theater snacks world? I think #1140 implies it was, since the context of #1140 #1140 implies it's a flashback to that world, and in that strip Soda is getting revenge on Pizza for killing Milk Dudes in #301.
    I think so, yeah.

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    Considering at the time he made that statement he was drinking at a bar to purposely miss his son's soccer game, I think it's more the latter. (Although I wouldn't phrase what he's justifying as his aloofness; maybe his cowardice, or his probably-accurate assessment that he would not be able to defeat Xykon, or whatever other reason he has for refusing the call.)
    People can and often do have multiple layers of motivation, yes. Redcloak might prioritize one house if pushed, but if not pushed he does live in both, for example.
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    People can and often do have multiple layers of motivation, yes. Redcloak might prioritize one house if pushed, but if not pushed he does live in both, for example.
    I'm not sure what in my post this is addressing. I think Eugene's primary motivations while alive were being left alone to do wizard stuff, being praised for doing wizard stuff, and staying alive to do wizard stuff. All of which tracks with blowing off the chance to hunt Xykon again while also blowing off Roy's soccer game. (And carrying around copies of wizard magazines with him on the cover while he's doing it.)

    I could be charitable enough to buy that he'd simply put Xykon behind him and didn't think it was worth the risk to himself, but his investment in his family being the reason is belied by how often he neglected them to do wizard stuff.

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    Or worse than "neglected." If I have the timeline right, at the end of that scene Sara hints she's pregnant with Eric, and Eugene's experiment kills him when he's two years old. So how much of a priority could protecting his family really have been, if he's neglectful enough to get his own toddler killed just two years later?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Fyraltari View Post
    Aye, and Durkon isn't human.
    Since Thor has said they Madre a movie theater snack world, and has not said that this world is a human world, I'm sure there's a point you're trying to make but I haven't the foggiest idea what it is.
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    Since Thor has said they Madre a movie theater snack world, and has not said that this world is a human world, I'm sure there's a point you're trying to make but I haven't the foggiest idea what it is.
    I forgot that Thor specified "movie theater snacks" and not "sentient food items" (in my defense, it was long past any reasonable bed time).

    HOWEVER, Ruck kindly showed that Soy Latté was alive(?) in this world, therefore it seems likely that so was Mocha.

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    Seriously, who eats pizza at a movie theater?
    Don't ask me, I still don't understand people eating any kind of food at all in cinema.
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    Quote Originally Posted by danielxcutter View Post
    People can and often do have multiple layers of motivation, yes. Redcloak might prioritize one house if pushed, but if not pushed he does live in both, for example.
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    I'm not sure what in my post this is addressing. I think Eugene's primary motivations while alive were being left alone to do wizard stuff, being praised for doing wizard stuff, and staying alive to do wizard stuff. All of which tracks with blowing off the chance to hunt Xykon again while also blowing off Roy's soccer game. (And carrying around copies of wizard magazines with him on the cover while he's doing it.)
    Yep. That sums up Eugene pretty well.

    I could be charitable enough to buy that he'd simply put Xykon behind him and didn't think it was worth the risk to himself, but his investment in his family being the reason is belied by how often he neglected them to do wizard stuff.

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    Or worse than "neglected." If I have the timeline right, at the end of that scene Sara hints she's pregnant with Eric, and Eugene's experiment kills him when he's two years old. So how much of a priority could protecting his family really have been, if he's neglectful enough to get his own toddler killed just two years later?
    Anyhow, I think what's meant is simply "he might have had multiple motivations", including "like I care" and "I'm too important to just die going after that dude, just look at this magazine with me on the cover", i.e. getting didinterested in revenge (just as he got disinterested in being a husband) and fearing for his own (oh-so-important) life.

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    Don't ask me, I still don't understand people eating any kind of food at all in cinema.
    Right? Right??

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    I'm not sure what in my post this is addressing. I think Eugene's primary motivations while alive were being left alone to do wizard stuff, being praised for doing wizard stuff, and staying alive to do wizard stuff. All of which tracks with blowing off the chance to hunt Xykon again while also blowing off Roy's soccer game. (And carrying around copies of wizard magazines with him on the cover while he's doing it.)

    I could be charitable enough to buy that he'd simply put Xykon behind him and didn't think it was worth the risk to himself, but his investment in his family being the reason is belied by how often he neglected them to do wizard stuff.

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    Or worse than "neglected." If I have the timeline right, at the end of that scene Sara hints she's pregnant with Eric, and Eugene's experiment kills him when he's two years old. So how much of a priority could protecting his family really have been, if he's neglectful enough to get his own toddler killed just two years later?
    I mean...

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    Anyhow, I think what's meant is simply "he might have had multiple motivations", including "like I care" and "I'm too important to just die going after that dude, just look at this magazine with me on the cover", i.e. getting disinterested in revenge (just as he got disinterested in being a husband) and fearing for his own (oh-so-important) life.
    Okay I'm just going to substitute an actual explanation with this.

    Quote Originally Posted by Fyraltari View Post
    I forgot that Thor specified "movie theater snacks" and not "sentient food items" (in my defense, it was long past any reasonable bed time).

    HOWEVER, Ruck kindly showed that Soy Latté was alive(?) in this world, therefore it seems likely that so was Mocha.

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    Right? Right??
    Popcorn and soda, I get that, though to be frank me eating popcorn in movies(when the family even wants to) is at least partly an excuse to actually eat movie popcorn. Not like that's super common outside theaters.

    But yeah, basically everything else was "eh?" I mean, why pizza? Maybe if you're watching DVDs or Netflix at home, sure, but in a theater???
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    Quote Originally Posted by Metastachydium View Post
    Anyhow, I think what's meant is simply "he might have had multiple motivations", including "like I care" and "I'm too important to just die going after that dude, just look at this magazine with me on the cover", i.e. getting didinterested in revenge (just as he got disinterested in being a husband) and fearing for his own (oh-so-important) life.
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    Okay I'm just going to substitute an actual explanation with this.
    Right, I don't doubt he has multiple motivations (as most people do). I doubt that his stated concern for his family was one of those motivations, based on how he treated them the rest of the time.

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    I was mostly saying that it probably isn’t just one of the things you ascribed to him. Though even his apathy has limits; he’s at least aware just how messed up the Bet is from a mortal perspective.
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    Right, I don't doubt he has multiple motivations (as most people do). I doubt that his stated concern for his family was one of those motivations, based on how he treated them the rest of the time.
    Oh, that I wholeheartedly agree with. I'm pretty sure the next scene with Roy is there to drive that very point home.

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    I was mostly saying that it probably isn’t just one of the things you ascribed to him. Though even his apathy has limits; he’s at least aware just how messed up the Bet is from a mortal perspective.
    True. He's painfully quick to demonstrate just how much he truly cares about the dwarven souls, however.
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    Seriously, who eats pizza at a movie theater?
    I was in my seat before a movie one time and a woman walked up with a floor length dress and before sitting down she hiked it up and slid an entire pizza out from under it. Sure, it was a little messed up due to being held vertically, but that's a pretty darn good movie snack if you can pull it off.
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    Popcorn and soda, I get that, though to be frank me eating popcorn in movies(when the family even wants to) is at least partly an excuse to actually eat movie popcorn. Not like that's super common outside theaters.
    It actually can be - movie theater popcorn is just popcorn, oil, and seasoned salt. Flavacol is incredibly common for this. Even if you don't want to use your own popper and just have microwave popcorn, a light dusting of flavacol will give you that movie theater popcorn taste at a fraction of the cost. And when I say a fraction, I mean I bought a 2-pack of 1-qt containers for like 15 bucks off amazon seven years ago and am only now to about 20% remaining of the first one. The second one I gave away as a gift years ago to my bestie. Now, granted, I'm not exactly eating popcorn every day, but that's still a hell of a long-lasting product. You don't rally need much each time.

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    But yeah, basically everything else was "eh?" I mean, why pizza? Maybe if you're watching DVDs or Netflix at home, sure, but in a theater???
    Most theaters here have hot dogs and nachos as standard concession foods, and luxury theaters tend to have much more (eg wings, pizza, burgers, Buffalo chicken, etc) that they bring to your seat. It's actually pretty nice and I like it.
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    I was in my seat before a movie one time and a woman walked up with a floor length dress and before sitting down she hiked it up and slid an entire pizza out from under it. Sure, it was a little messed up due to being held vertically, but that's a pretty darn good movie snack if you can pull it off.
    The most impressive I ever saw was two old ladies who snuck in a full takeaway meal. Full size styrofoam clamshell containers. They even brought in an entire, brand new bottle of ketchup. Left it all in their seats instead of throwing away the trash and taking the ketchup.
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    True. He's painfully quick to demonstrate just how much he truly cares about the dwarven souls, however.
    I mean he's not the kind of omnicidal nihilist Pathfinder daemons are. Demons and devils have worked together and with angels to stop daemons plots in the past. Charon, one of the greatest daemons, made a machine so efficient at snuffing out life it horrified Asmodeus.
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    Quote Originally Posted by danielxcutter View Post
    I mean he's not the kind of omnicidal nihilist Pathfinder daemons are. Demons and devils have worked together and with angels to stop daemons plots in the past. Charon, one of the greatest daemons, made a machine so efficient at snuffing out life it horrified Asmodeus.
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    Many of the movie theaters in my area sell all sorts of foods you can take into the movies, including pizza, pretzels, ice cream, and hot dogs, in addition to the more traditional pop-corn and sodas. There was even an attached Mexican Food restaurant you could get take-out from to take into a movie. I'm not certain they still have the "No Outside Food" rule in those locations anymore.
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    Many of the movie theaters in my area sell all sorts of foods you can take into the movies, including pizza, pretzels, ice cream, and hot dogs, in addition to the more traditional pop-corn and sodas. There was even an attached Mexican Food restaurant you could get take-out from to take into a movie. I'm not certain they still have the "No Outside Food" rule in those locations anymore.
    They almost certainly still do, since the business model is still built on the concession stand instead of ticket sales (and have to rent the movies they show, at exorbitant prices).

    Theaters with alcohol would be making bank, though.
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    They almost certainly still do, since the business model is still built on the concession stand instead of ticket sales (and have to rent the movies they show, at exorbitant prices).

    Theaters with alcohol would be making bank, though.
    I'm told theaters sell beer in Germany. OF course, being Germany and all, that may not be considered alcohol.
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    I'm told theaters sell beer in Germany. OF course, being Germany and all, that may not be considered alcohol.
    It's not the chemical, it's the markup.

    That being said, I remember being amused in my very early teens at McDonald's selling McBeer in Austria.
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    They almost certainly still do, since the business model is still built on the concession stand instead of ticket sales (and have to rent the movies they show, at exorbitant prices).

    Theaters with alcohol would be making bank, though.
    There are definitely theaters that sell alcohol. Generally the same ones that actually sell food that could pass for a meal.

    I'm all for sneaking stuff into the other kind of theater, though. Never tried it with a pizza, but the first time my now-wife and I went on a movie date night we got Jimmy John's and hid it in her purse. One of my favorite moviegoing experiences was with a friend in 2004: We smoked out first, snuck a plastic fifth of Seagram's into the theater, got a giant Coke and spiked it and split it, got tickets to and saw Eternal Sunshine of the Spotless Mind, then walked over and also saw Kill Bill Vol. 2.

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    There are definitely theaters that sell alcohol. Generally the same ones that actually sell food that could pass for a meal.
    Yep. The theater I used to work at way back when is now a luxury theater with the heated recliners and walls between rows and has the full service and alcohol. Back when I worked at McWane Science Center, I learned they are fastidious about keeping their liquor license despite that they are a children's science museum and don't normally sell booze. They keep it on hand so that they can use it during after-hours events, like fundraisers, shareholders events, special adult-only movies on the IMAX dome screen, and occasional special events - for instance, I once got paid to sit in on a talk given by E. O. Wilson, considered the father of modern entomology and one of, if not the, biggest names in his field. Tickets sold out in less than a day. I wasn't on the business side but I heard they went for three figures. This was a very sought-after event in the subspecialist-biologists-of-academia community. And of the three of us in the department, I volunteered to man the theater for it (they held all events like that in the dome - most seating available and also enormo screen and sound system if they wanted any sort of visual presentation) and racked up overtime while listening just this really cool guy talk about what he loved. Loved that place. The pay stunk but they did a lot to make it a quality experience whether you were a two year old having fun or a member of the board needing to go over the financials. The didn't skimp on the experience.
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    I don't think this is intentional on the part of the author. However, this does not make the interpretation any less valid!
    [...] Basically, this is the beauty of applicability in action. By not being symbolic of a specific issue, Minrah allows every reader to project any issue they care deeply about in her and get a positive message out.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Peelee View Post
    It's not the chemical, it's the markup.

    That being said, I remember being amused in my very early teens at McDonald's selling McBeer in Austria.
    Don't know about Austria but they stopped selling beer in Germany about 20 years ago.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Crimsonmantle View Post
    Don't know about Austria but they stopped selling beer in Germany about 20 years ago.
    Your meaning is clear, but I'm amused that the wording implies the entire nation of Germany stopped selling beer entirely.
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