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2020-05-04, 01:27 PM (ISO 8601)
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Re: Things You Never Noticed VII: Wait, This Isnt the MitD Thread?
"Rare things can happen" does not equate to "this specific rare thing has happened here." People have totally won the lottery twice. My neighbor Bob who just bought a Corvette probably did not win the lottery.
And if there were any drama that revolved around demigods from prior worlds being able to survive to this world but so few had joined that there is still a relatively small pool but also are incredibly rare (arguably one of the rarest things to happen to a mortal in Stickworld) but more than one mortal ascended to godhood or demigodhood in this story, then yes, I would agree with you. But I would be flabbergasted if that was the case. "Mortals who rise to demigodhood being a rare case but also being able to be selected by pantheons when it suits them and they may or may not survive into other worlds once the Snarl breaks free but this specific one is so important the gods decided to incorporate him" is needlessly complex. "Mortals who rise to demigodhood don't survive the jump" is significantly simpler. Neither one has any more impact on the story than the other, neither one services drama more than the other, neither one is sheds any more relevant light on the story that the other, so why not pick the simpler one?Last edited by Peelee; 2020-05-04 at 01:28 PM.
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2020-05-04, 02:58 PM (ISO 8601)
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Re: Things You Never Noticed VII: Wait, This Isnt the MitD Thread?
A "Things no one noticed before" thread would have a bunch of people posting things that they hadn't noticed before, and that they also hadn't noticed anyone else had noticed
You may also be thinking of Thor's words in the bottom-left panel of this more recent strip: "He hasn't been around long enough and hasn't had the followers of a whole pantheon believing in him."
That's a good point, and it makes the whole "Dvalin survived multiple worlds but doesn't remember doing so" even less likely, but still technically possible (as far as I can tell).
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2020-05-04, 03:14 PM (ISO 8601)
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Re: Things You Never Noticed VII: Wait, This Isnt the MitD Thread?
An explanation of why MitD being any larger than Huge is implausible.
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2020-05-06, 09:51 AM (ISO 8601)
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2020-05-06, 09:53 AM (ISO 8601)
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Re: Things You Never Noticed VII: Wait, This Isnt the MitD Thread?
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2020-05-06, 10:51 AM (ISO 8601)
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Re: Things You Never Noticed VII: Wait, This Isnt the MitD Thread?
Nothing says those divine beings can't lie their beards off. Or that the data isn't baked into the world at creation.
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2020-05-06, 11:04 AM (ISO 8601)
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Re: Things You Never Noticed VII: Wait, This Isnt the MitD Thread?
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2020-05-06, 11:40 AM (ISO 8601)
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Re: Things You Never Noticed VII: Wait, This Isnt the MitD Thread?
Well if that's the case, Durkon should've just asked for the full download on the Gates and Rifts the day after they heard about them from Soon.
Lawful doesn't mean honest. And Legend Lore is just going to give you the results baked in by metaphysics, which again brings us back to how the gods set it up when they created the world.
Really, "don't know" is about as good as we can do for anything where the possibilities stretch too far back. Which is kind of nice, as it gives us something to discuss while Rich polishes the next strip.
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2020-05-06, 11:44 AM (ISO 8601)
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Re: Things You Never Noticed VII: Wait, This Isnt the MitD Thread?
Given how excited Thor was to toss the blackout rules aside for Minrah on the smallest bit of info she had, yeah, Durkon probably could have.
ETA: Further, there are more divine beings than just the gods, and those do not know about the Snarl and comms blackout policy and would have no reason to hamstring a question about royal lines of succession.Last edited by Peelee; 2020-05-06 at 11:46 AM.
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2020-05-06, 12:05 PM (ISO 8601)
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Re: Things You Never Noticed VII: Wait, This Isnt the MitD Thread?
Hmm...I wonder when Durkon figured out Thor doesn't respond to commune.
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2020-05-06, 12:14 PM (ISO 8601)
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2020-05-06, 12:18 PM (ISO 8601)
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2020-05-06, 02:19 PM (ISO 8601)
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Everything about this is weird. And I love it. Most people's worldbuilding is pretty bland.
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2020-05-06, 02:42 PM (ISO 8601)
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Re: Things You Never Noticed VII: Wait, This Isnt the MitD Thread?
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2020-05-25, 09:16 PM (ISO 8601)
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Re: Things You Never Noticed VII: Wait, This Isnt the MitD Thread?
Today I realized that Durkon's middle name (Allotrope) is connected to his eventual vampirism.
Two states, made of the same base components, but two very different functions.
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2020-05-29, 10:58 AM (ISO 8601)
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Re: Things You Never Noticed VII: Wait, This Isnt the MitD Thread?
Just realized that - sorry can't post links from phone -
Tarquin's opinion on Bards in strip 821 was already mentioned waaaaaaay back in strip 50
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2020-05-29, 11:05 AM (ISO 8601)
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2020-06-03, 09:52 AM (ISO 8601)
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Re: Things You Never Noticed VII: Wait, This Isnt the MitD Thread?
Thanks to SlashDash and Peelee I just noticed that the the strip numbering for strip 50 has a nice little comment on the number itself.
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2020-06-06, 11:42 AM (ISO 8601)
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Re: Things You Never Noticed VII: Wait, This Isnt the MitD Thread?
Here, Celia mentions Dorukan has disappeared (aka died) 6 months ago (which also matches SOD's time stamp). And here Celia mentions the Cloister disappears and reappears with Xykon, but doesn't mention any breaks in between. (and Xykon couldn't have casted it after Celia departed the Dungeon, since Azure City was able to scry on the Order).
So, is it inferrable that Xykon's maximum level is ~26 weeks, or 26-27th level? This number also matches some of Xykon's higher-end level calculations.
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2020-06-06, 01:18 PM (ISO 8601)
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Re: Things You Never Noticed VII: Wait, This Isnt the MitD Thread?
Not really, Xykon moved into the dungeon pretty much immediately after killing Dorukan per Start of Darkness. Maybe it took a while before Celia noticed him and his minions.
Keep in mind that Celia's first appearance predates the Snarl plot, so any inconsistencies with later stories do not necessarily have a deeper meaning.
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2020-06-06, 01:26 PM (ISO 8601)
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Re: Things You Never Noticed VII: Wait, This Isnt the MitD Thread?
EDIT: Whoops, I think I thought it out wrong. Assuming he doesn't renew the spell during his reign in the Dungeon, Xykon would be a minimum(?) of 26-27.
At the same time, I can't find a reason why Xykon would wait, say, any interval of time after mastering an epic spell. Does the SRD mention a minimum amount of time a sorcerer can learn an epic spell?Last edited by understatement; 2020-06-06 at 01:32 PM.
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2020-06-06, 02:34 PM (ISO 8601)
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Re: Things You Never Noticed VII: Wait, This Isnt the MitD Thread?
That doesn't give any clear level, we don't know if Xykon ever recast the spell or how long it took for Xykon to master, it just says that happened after the six month mark.
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2020-06-06, 03:21 PM (ISO 8601)
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2020-06-06, 03:41 PM (ISO 8601)
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Re: Things You Never Noticed VII: Wait, This Isnt the MitD Thread?
I misspoke. I meant minimum.
Although I think the Cloister ended becase Azure City was able to scry on the wreckage. I don't know if Xykon's destruction means the spell ends or not. If not, then I revise back to the maximum of 26. Cloister definitely 'ended' by the time the Order is at Azure City, because Celia is able to be reached with a multiplanar call.
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2020-06-06, 03:46 PM (ISO 8601)
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Re: Things You Never Noticed VII: Wait, This Isnt the MitD Thread?
Given that it was described as suddenly vanishing and then reappearing when Xykon cast it (which suggests it completely vanished when Dorukan died...or that he died just a few weeks before he would have had to recast it, which seems unlikely), I'd assume Xykon's destruction ended Cloister as well.
An explanation of why MitD being any larger than Huge is implausible.
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2020-06-06, 03:57 PM (ISO 8601)
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Re: Things You Never Noticed VII: Wait, This Isnt the MitD Thread?
Yeah, the Cloister definitely ended with Xykon's destruction, as it had earlier with Dorukan's. There's no data to be gleaned here regarding anyone's caster level.
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2020-06-06, 04:10 PM (ISO 8601)
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Re: Things You Never Noticed VII: Wait, This Isnt the MitD Thread?
I assumed the spell would last, since Xykon is still technically 'alive'.
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2020-06-06, 06:05 PM (ISO 8601)
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Re: Things You Never Noticed VII: Wait, This Isnt the MitD Thread?
Technically Dorukan is still alive, since his soul is trapped in a small black gem instead of in the afterlife.
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2020-06-07, 07:04 AM (ISO 8601)
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Re: Things You Never Noticed VII: Wait, This Isnt the MitD Thread?
Doing a re-read of Utterly Dwarfed, and I noticed on page 983 that Durkon refers to 'Thursday school'. The word Thursday is said to come from an Old English variant of 'Thor's Day' - so a bit of an equivalent of Sunday School, but showing how it's different to the Christian idea. It's a tiny little detail, but I think it's a fun worldbuilding aspect that highlights just how ingrained worship was in Durkon's life.
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2020-06-09, 11:00 AM (ISO 8601)
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Re: Things You Never Noticed VII: Wait, This Isnt the MitD Thread?
And the holy day of Odin worshippers is Wednesday (page 2, panel 2)
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