Captain Marvel Fame & Recognition

[GloatingSwine]

Speedball is pretty much an ultra-nobody though. Like they tried to make him a thing after Civil War by making him grim and edgy but nobody liked it.

[The Glyphstone]

Clearly,he must have been unpopular because his new personality/powerset had nothing to do with cocaine.

[GloatingSwine]

Clearly,he must have been unpopular because his new personality/powerset had nothing to do with cocaine.

Oh I know who Speedball is. I also know who bleedball/emoball is.

I was continuing the joke about drugs based superheroes (Okay Snowflame is a villain whatever).

The fact that this confusion ever arose demonstrates how Z list Speedball really is.

[The Glyphstone]

Oh I know who Speedball is. I also know who bleedball/emoball is.

I was continuing the joke about drugs based superheroes (Okay Snowflame is a villain whatever).

The fact that this confusion ever arose demonstrates how Z list Speedball really is.

I only remember him specifically because of the emo remake, where he put spikes inside his armor so he was always cutting himself or something so hilariously gratuitous after he accidentally blew up a school. But it was Peelee who didn't believe a character with that name actually existed, and I think the joke has taken on a life of its own.

[Prime32]

Huh I was unaware of that until just now.

[Peelee]

Huh. "Ain't no daughter o' mine is a mutant! Crazy red and white hair is acceptable though." C'mon redneck papa, you know that wouldn't fly. Also, Miss Marvel picked a really weird hill to fight on. "As far as you specifically are concerned I may or may not be married!"

I did wonder about the disparity of Rogue's powers between the cartoon and the movies, so that's helpful.

[Kareeah_Indaga]

Who?

In fairness, all I knew about Moon Knight was:

1. His hero name
2. The fact that he wore mostly white and had a cape

But I did know he existed. (And now apparently they're planning a Moon Knight TV show somewhere down the line for the MCU so...yay I guess?)

Speedball is pretty much an ultra-nobody though.

And yet I knew about him and not Carol Danvers! Admittedly that might say more about me than it does about either of them.

I only remember him specifically because of the emo remake, where he put spikes inside his armor so he was always cutting himself or something so hilariously gratuitous after he accidentally blew up a school.

IIRC he wasn't even the one who blew it up, the super villain his team was fighting did. Nitro, I think? But yes, hilariously gratuitous.

[Kitten Champion]

Huh. "Ain't no daughter o' mine is a mutant! Crazy red and white hair is acceptable though." C'mon redneck papa, you know that wouldn't fly. Also, Miss Marvel picked a really weird hill to fight on. "As far as you specifically are concerned I may or may not be married!"

I did wonder about the disparity of Rogue's powers between the cartoon and the movies, so that's helpful.

It's Ms. Marvel. Not Miss.

It's an honorific from the Feminist movement of the 70's in which there was a dedicated effort to create a new standard form of a address for women that wasn't premised on their marital status but rather the recognition of themselves as individuals. The inception and original run of Ms. Marvel comics was very conscious of then contemporary gender politics with how they positioned Carol as a character and the language they used to attempt to make her emblematic of the modern, progressive woman.

Then, less then a decade later, Avengers 200 happened. In which it's writers decided for this milestone for Carol would be mind controlled, raped, impregnated, give birth to a reincarnation of her rapist, and then sent off to another dimension to live with her spawn forever -- all while her fellow Avengers cheered her on.

But, such is life.

[GloatingSwine]

I only remember him specifically because of the emo remake, where he put spikes inside his armor so he was always cutting himself or something so hilariously gratuitous after he accidentally blew up a school. But it was Peelee who didn't believe a character with that name actually existed, and I think the joke has taken on a life of its own.

Yeah.

The silly explanation is that after it all went down his powers stopped working if he wasn't in pain, and given that he's all but immune to blunt force he needed the spikes for his powers to work.

Spoiler: He's too deep for us, we wouldn't understand.

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Context: At the time Squirrel Girl had a crush on Robbie, so when she found out what had happened because Deadpool lent her a copy of Civil War Frontline No. 11 she decided to go back in time to stop it, so she went to Latveria and borrowed Dr. Doom's time machine (he wasn't going to try and stop her, Doom does not commit the same error twice!). But it was too late, he was too far gone.

[Aedilred]

Carol has been a long-standing workhorse of the Avengers, popular enough to have carried relatively long running solo books and to be a regular team fixture and to show up in other team books like the X-Men.

She's been more prominent in recent years as Marvel have been interested in promoting teams and characters they have the rights to.


(Thor was not a top-tier Marvel superhero. You can tell who was a top tier Marvel superhero because they were worth someone buying the film rights to when Marvel were near bankruptcy, so Spidey, Hulk, the X-Men, and the Fantastic Four. Everyone else was B-List or lower compared to them).

Blade? (Everyone forgets about Blade.)

[Kitten Champion]

Blade? (Everyone forgets about Blade.)

I think that's because he doesn't really feel like a Superhero. I mean, his whole niche is fighting vampires, which becomes a thing in and of itself.

Like, you could call Angel from BtVS a superhero and not exactly be wrong, but he fits more in that urban fantasy/supernatural drama sub-genre. I don't think Blade is that far off from him, really.

Though, yeah, people tend to overlook Blade and start with X-Men for the whole Superhero movie renaissance.

[dancrilis]

Like, you could call Angel from BtVS a superhero

Well he kindof was just check out this click and tell me it isn't superhero worthy.


He even comes with his own pseudo-supervillian (you know he is bad because he smokes).

[Kitten Champion]

He's very Batman-esque when he's wall-climbing (I think he even has a grappling hook at points too) or pulling one of those escapes where he vanishes mid-conversation to the other person's befuddlement once the camera pans away from him.

Despite that, I doubt many would refer to him as a Superhero just for the lack of any of the traditional trappings.

[The Glyphstone]

Yeah, I don't personally think of Blade a superhero either, even if he is originally from a comic book.

[Peelee]

How about Spawn?

[The Glyphstone]

Spawn I would credit as being a super 'hero', yeah. Never seen his movie, though.

[Peelee]

Spawn I would credit as being a super 'hero', yeah. Never seen his movie, though.

It's.... as good as you'd expect a superhero movie based on Spawn in 1997 could have been.

[Rynjin]

I remember it being entertaining enough.

Don't forget there was a Spawn cartoon as well around that time.

[Vinyadan]

Am I the only one who remembers Miss Marvel surviving as a parasitic entity within Rogue's mind, making her insane and forcing someone to actually enter Rogue's mindscape to scrap Marvel's remnants out of it?

EDIT: I didn't know it was Marvel, just this very angry very white woman.

[Kyberwulf]

What does that even mean? He doesn't even feel like a superhero. What because he is black? If he were white he would have been lauded for being the first correctly done r rated superhero movie way before deadpool and iron man was. I mean you want to break it down .. superman isn't really a super hero movie either.. just a alien coming to earth movie.. same thing with x men. Just mutants doing their crazy thing mutant things. Iron man and batman? Just rich white guys forcing their brand of justice in people who can't afford to stand up against them.

[Rynjin]

What does that even mean? He doesn't even feel like a superhero. What because he is black? If he were white he would have been lauded for being the first correctly done r rated superhero movie way before deadpool and iron man was. I mean you want to break it down .. superman isn't really a super hero movie either.. just a alien coming to earth movie.. same thing with x men. Just mutants doing their crazy thing mutant things. Iron man and batman? Just rich white guys forcing their brand of justice in people who can't afford to stand up against them.

WTF are you even going on about?

Blade doesn't feel like a superhero because he's a monster hunter, not a traditional hero. Are Sam and Dean of Supernatural superheroes too?

Blade media isn't framed or shot the same way superhero movies are, they're shot like monster movies and horror action flicks, like Underworld and whatnot. It kicked off an entire craze of those kinds of movies. Including the aforementioned Underworld and whatnot.

[The Glyphstone]

WTF are you even going on about?

Blade doesn't feel like a superhero because he's a monster hunter, not a traditional hero. Are Sam and Dean of Supernatural superheroes too?

Blade media isn't framed or shot the same way superhero movies are, they're shot like monster movies and horror action flicks, like Underworld and whatnot. It kicked off an entire craze of those kinds of movies. Including the aforementioned Underworld and whatnot.

Wait...if Blade kicked off the trend that created Underworld, and Underworld created the modern vampire vs. werewolf rivalry....does that mean Blade is indirectly responsible for Twilight?

[Bohandas]

Captain Marvel doesn't have A+ recognition. The character's primary claim to fame is winning a trademark suit against a similarly named DC character.

[Bartmanhomer]

Captain Marvel doesn't have A+ recognition. The character's primary claim to fame is winning a trademark suit against a similarly named DC character.

If I'm not mistaken last time that I check that Shazam was a Fawcett character before DC owning rights to him.

[Rynjin]

Wait...if Blade kicked off the trend that created Underworld, and Underworld created the modern vampire vs. werewolf rivalry....does that mean Blade is indirectly responsible for Twilight?

That tracks to me.

[Bohandas]

It's Ms. Marvel. Not Miss.

Its the same thing. "Ms." is at best an abbreviated form of "Miss" corresponding to the difference between "Mr." and "Mister". There's a case to me bade that it's not even necessarily that and could be considered al alternate spelling akin to color/colour or walkthrough/walkthru

[Kitten Champion]

Its the same thing. "Ms." is at best an abbreviated form of "Miss" corresponding to the difference between "Mr." and "Mister". There's a case to me bade that it's not even necessarily that and could be considered al alternate spelling akin to color/colour or walkthrough/walkthru

No, the whole point of it is it's not.

[Bohandas]

No, the whole point of it is it's not.

This is an etymological fallacy. I don't think the fact that "Miss" once specifically designated a woman who is not married is widely remembered among people who aren't either ancient and/or english majors*. Furthermore, I doubt that anyone other than english majors alone would be able to tell you which is which, or even know that there was a difference beyond spelling, without consulting wikipedia.


*or who happened upon it after clicking through a long chain of different wikipedia articles.

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And its telling that your linked article doesn't have any examples of differentiation between the two that are from this century

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Now that I think of it, it's not even a proper etymological fallacy since the use of miss to indicate marital status reflects neither its current usage nor its original use, but rather a defunct use from the 19th and 20th centuries (quoting the article "Miss and Mrs., both derived from the then formal Mistress, like Mister did not originally indicate marital status" (emphasis mine)

[Kitten Champion]

This is an etymological fallacy. I don't think the fact that "Miss" once specifically designated a woman who is not married is widely remembered among people who aren't either ancient and/or english majors. Furthermore, I doubt that anyone other than english majors alone would be able to tell you which is which, or even know that there was a difference beyond spelling, without consulting wikipedia.

Look, I'm not going to argue this.

Ultimately, this is what you're doing --

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[Bartmanhomer]

This is my opinion about the Ms. debate. I feel like that Ms. and Miss are the same things in my opinion. So anyway back to the topic. I feel like that Captain Marvel is just a B+ superhero with an A+ recognition. More importantly, I really like Captain Marvel.