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2020-01-09, 09:12 PM (ISO 8601)
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To be fair to Gilgamesh the entire point is that being careless with immortality is proof of how little he valued it.
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2020-01-09, 09:32 PM (ISO 8601)
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Gilgamesh was never going to be immortal. Utnapishtim and his wife were granted immortality because the gods wanted to kill all of humanity but failed to as Ea outwitted them and leaked their plans to him, so as a kind of face-saving compromise they were declared a special case and brought above humanity as the last immortals never to be repeated. That he's to be the last immortal is repeated a few times.
Gil's quest for immortality was really about bringing back the old pre-deluge knowledge to teach his people the proper rites that would save them from eternal torment in the afterlife, and when he died he'd sit in judgement over the dead. He needed to find Utnapishtim and accept his own mortality to get to that point, it seems.Last edited by Kitten Champion; 2020-01-09 at 09:34 PM.
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2020-01-09, 09:54 PM (ISO 8601)
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The W.H.O. Doctors in the B Wing of World War Z.
Hey guys, you are researching one of the most virulent, instant-infectious, super contagious disease that is destroying humanity. Shouldn't you have high security lab to isolate victims of accidents?! Instead of losing THE ENTIRE LAB AFTER ONE INFECTION?!?!
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2020-01-10, 04:46 AM (ISO 8601)
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Going back to the Walking Dead...
You know that anyone who dies, even accidentally, will become a zombie. Why are you not keeping track of the health of people in your group? Or at least watching to make sure nobody zombifies?
The place you have chosen as a refuge is a prison. Where the beds are in the cells. I can see not locking them, but why are you not at least closing the doors of the cells so you can sleep without getting nommed? It's not like the zombies know how to open doors, so even just latching the cell doors should be sufficient to keep a zombie out long enough for everyone to wake up.
Our idiots don't do this, and surprise surprise someone gets eaten when a person dies of the flu and is free to walk about the prison unobserved and into somebody's cell.
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2020-01-10, 11:08 AM (ISO 8601)
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To be honest, most people who die in a zombie die from stupidity, so it's not like the last two examples are exclusive to those series.
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2020-01-10, 11:51 AM (ISO 8601)
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Re: Viserys - It's heavily implied he's being fed bad information by Jorrah and Daenerys's handmaidens, so it's not entirely his own fault.
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2020-01-10, 04:18 PM (ISO 8601)
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Yeah but WD specifically has them develop or run into effective strategies and then abandon them after the season.
Spikes and cables are effective and easy to set up anti-zombie devices so they never use them again, pits and trenches stop zombies and cars so they never dig them after the governor dies, walls get pushed over so they never reinforce the new ones, zombie goop and headless zombies let you move safely so they don't do either of those again.
Alexandria should have been a defense in depth of trenches, old power lines hanging at chest height, spike walls, massively fortified barriers and observation towers. A pit of headless zombies to make forays safe near the wall, everyone on a buddy system and every house a defensive sub-bastion. After the wolves they probably should have adopted the "shipping containers full of zombies" trap so attacking armies need to waste resources on those.
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2020-01-10, 04:42 PM (ISO 8601)
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It seems like this is an appropriate time to link to the Walking Dead Survival Guide video.
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2020-01-10, 05:07 PM (ISO 8601)
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Last edited by Peelee; 2020-01-10 at 05:33 PM.
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2020-01-10, 05:11 PM (ISO 8601)
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I don't mind people acting stupid in stress situation, or when dealing with situation that goes outside their field of expertise.
But in the above example, it's Freakkin' W. H. O. Doctors . People with protocols and equipment meant to prevent an outbreak within their own facilities.Last edited by Cikomyr; 2020-01-10 at 05:11 PM.
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2020-01-10, 05:14 PM (ISO 8601)
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The undead are ineffective threats once the shock period is over, so they have to keep using either character carelessness or extreme misfortune to keep the stakes alive.
Re horror movies I think we should disqualify people that would require meta knowledge to know there's a threat. Last time I investigated a scream and loud bang at night, it was a mouse, not a vampire.
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2020-01-10, 05:14 PM (ISO 8601)
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2020-01-10, 05:16 PM (ISO 8601)
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I'm not sure if you are being sarcastic with me or not, but if the options are dying horribly and almost certainly or take reasonable precautions people tend to take the precautions. Hence medieval castles made by hand crafted stones. They also had a back-hoe and other construction vehicles so "big trench/moat" isn't that difficult and invalidates most enemy strategies.
My personal defense system is big dogs and a handgun, the dogs hear things I can't and warn off most people. The gun is for dedicated assailants. More then that is overkill for my life, but if I was rich and famous guards and defenses would become more obvious.
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2020-01-10, 06:14 PM (ISO 8601)
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Though I honestly don't remember that, World War Z is a particular case in terms of Zombie fiction insofar as it's more about the incompetence of States dealing with large-scale emerging crises. Rather than, say, parodying consumer culture or setting up a scenario for a kind of survivalist power fantasy.
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2020-01-10, 06:26 PM (ISO 8601)
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2020-01-10, 06:37 PM (ISO 8601)
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I find badly designed facilities to be even more irritating than individual stupidity. The latter is something that can be forgiven because everybody is stupid sometimes. The former is not forgivable because the facilities are SUPPOSED to be idiot proof. That's the whole point.
Worst case I can recall was the episode of Doctor Who with the aliens that can tell the future. A lab researching incredibly dangerous biochemicals has human stupidity cause the initial problem, but gives a reasonable cause for it - one of the scientists was hung-over and made a stupid mistake because he wasn't thinking straight. Fair enough.
But then we find out that the lab regularly vents the entire contents of the non-quarantine zone into the outside air, regardless of any contaminants that may be in the air. WHAT. That is the exact OPPOSITE of how it is supposed to be designed! Even on a regular chemical plant buildings are designed to be air tight so that in the event of a leak they can be sealed. A bio-chemical lab researching stuff that could end all life on Earth doesn't have the same capability?
I say let the Vogons build their hyperspace bypass. Nothing of value would be lost, and humanity with that level of intelligence will wipe themselves out sooner or later anyway.
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2020-01-11, 12:36 AM (ISO 8601)
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I'm sure the lab has that exact capability. On the stuff in the quarantine zone, which is where said bio-agent should be in the first place.
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2020-01-11, 02:04 AM (ISO 8601)
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Has anybody mentioned Romeo and Juliet killing themselves because they thought that the other one was dead yet?
Or Dicaprio's character from Titanic freezing to death because he was too stupid to climb onto a piece of wreckage that was easily big enough to comfortably hold both him and that other dude's fiancee"If you want to understand biology don't think about vibrant throbbing gels and oozes, think about information technology" -Richard Dawkins
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2020-01-11, 07:58 AM (ISO 8601)
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Except I just described how even existing chemical plant facilities (who work with far less toxic stuff) have better safety systems. And those safety systems are covering the office workers. So the HR department at a chemical plant making weedkiller has better gas containment capability than a ultra-high tech biolab working on stuff that can end all life on Earth.
Like I said: Vogons. Hyper-space bypass.
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2020-01-11, 10:33 AM (ISO 8601)
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Or Dicaprio's character from Titanic freezing to death because he was too stupid to climb onto a piece of wreckage that was easily big enough to comfortably hold both him and that other dude's fiancee
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2020-01-11, 11:06 AM (ISO 8601)
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That was only Romeo. By the time Juliet woke up from her coma, I am pretty sure Romeo was really dead.
Of course, the whole idea was to make it look like Juliet was dead, so Romeo wasn't exactly stupid for believing her to be dead. Her whole family believed it, too.
I see Romeo and Juliet more as having died because their families were stupid - they were told right at the beginning of the play to stop the fighting and talk things out like mature adults.
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2020-01-11, 11:17 AM (ISO 8601)
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2020-01-11, 11:27 AM (ISO 8601)
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You’re not wrong. But Rom and Jules are pretty stupid regardless. Hell the play even points out this is Rom’s second big depressing rollercoaster lost love he’s had in as many weeks.
As Shakespeare fan, I have always hated this play. It only works because literally everyone in the cast is an idiot. Except maybe Tybalt. I mean sure he’s a violent unstable lunatic. But he consistently and unapologetically works toward his goal. And at least he doesn’t get all weepy that being a violent unstable lunatic killed him. Unlike some other whiners in the play. Looking at you, Mercutio. I don’t care how cool your weird speech about throat slitting faeries is. You got in a sword fight and you got stabbed. That’s what happens when you get in sword fights. This is your fault, don’t go cursing both houses because you got yourself into this mess.
Anyway. Dumbest character death I’ve ever seen may very well be the guy that attacked Titus Pullo while he was in an armed escort bringing Antony to the Senate house to use his veto. In the amazing first season of Rome. What was gonna do? Charge directly at a bunch of trained soldiers and instantly get hacked to death? Why yes. That’s exactly what he did. And this idiot unintentionally caused the civil war.
Also from the show. Mark Antony, sure his actual death was suicide because he ran out of options. However, the second season could just be called “Let’s watch Marky over here completely mess up everything in his life.” And the great thing is a lot of it is accurate. Mark Antony really was that stupid.
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2020-01-11, 03:10 PM (ISO 8601)
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2020-01-12, 05:25 PM (ISO 8601)
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In fairness, by Friday the 13th part 4 (and going forward to 6 and 7) going to Crystal Lake IS inherently stupid. Every group that has gone there gets wiped out.
Tack on Covenant. Here's a brand new planet that we haven't scouted, tested, etc. And we will walk around here with no protective gear randomly smelling the flora."That's a horrible idea! What time?"
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2020-01-12, 05:26 PM (ISO 8601)
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2020-01-12, 06:19 PM (ISO 8601)
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"That's a horrible idea! What time?"
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2020-01-12, 11:25 PM (ISO 8601)
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Knowing nothing at all about this character, that sounds like someone decided this was a bad character and they wanted her killed off so that she wouldn't be brought back in the future. Being that it's superheroes that is of course no guarantee that she would stay dead, but I'd say it's at least a statement of intent on that author's part.
Perhaps, but if so they were feeding him that info because he's a dangerous, unstable lunatic who represented a constant threat to Daenerys, either personally or because he would inevitably do something stupid that would have bad consequences for her. He made himself enough of a danger that her protectors decided they had to get rid of him.
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2020-01-13, 06:09 AM (ISO 8601)
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Well, having just watched them:
In part 4, they weren't at the camp, but in cottages and houses that were simply on the lake or in the area. Since the town itself was never abandoned, that's not as unreasonable, especially given that 4 takes place literally right after 3, so they were either there already or had already made plans to go there.
In part 5, it's many years later, enough time for things to have died down and people to have relegated it to legend, and also to believe that the killer had been caught and killed.
In part 6, Jason WAS dead, and it's only the idiocy of Tommy Jarvis that ends up with him being resurrected (the first time he's actually the supernatural beast that we know him for).
In part 7, the main characters, at least, are there seemingly because the doctor wants the link to Jason, but they also have a link to that specific place which would be critical in helping the girl with her issues. The camp counselors don't have as good an excuse, but then again everyone thought that Jason or the killer was dead again and it's only a completely unrelated incident that even brings him back.
They probably should stop trying to revive Camp Crystal Lake, certainly, but the lunacy of doing that is lampshaded as far back as three and in six, I think.BSG PBF record on BGG: 16 - 17.
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2020-01-13, 09:20 AM (ISO 8601)
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Ned Stark "I am so honorable that I am going to tell this evil woman that I know that she cheated on the king with her own brother BEFORE I tell the king anything about it, while the king is away on a place where a murder can be easily explained away as a hunting accident. Then, when the expected fallout of that happens, I am going to put my trust (and my life, and my children's lives) in the hands of a man who has told me that he cannot be trusted".