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    Default Class and Level Geekery XVII - When you Wish upon a Stat...

    Welcome to the latest incarnation of the Class and Level Geekery thread! Here, we are discussing what the possible stats are for each of the six OOTS members. Below is an estimate of the characters' stats; this was first kept by Runolfr, Wrecan, Chrismith, and RMS Oceanic. I will update these posts as the discussion continues and as subsequent strips reveal more information about OOTS and the other characters.

    The aim of this thread is that we give D&D statistics for the characters in the comic based on the events and statements made in the comic, plus statements by The Giant in the forum and his books. For this purpose, we assume that the comic strictly follows the 3.5E D&D rules. We are aware that The Giant has stated that he doesn't always follow the rules, because his goal is to write a story and not to write session reports from a D&D campaign. Nevertheless, in this thread we assume the rules are being followed anyway, and see what stats, feats, and skills could explain what happens. Essentially, that means we're taking the rules side of the comic more seriously than its author does; if you like, you can assume a little footnote on every factoid of this thread that says "* or The Giant used a houserule". Why? Well, because it's Geekery. If Star Trek fans can do it, then so can we

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    Q: Does The Giant check this thread?
    Yes, but only really for spell lists.

    Q: Which source books are used in the comic?
    • Player's Handbook 1 and Dungeon Master's Guide 1
    • Book of Vile Darkness (certain monsters; Boost Spell Resistance feat)
    • Complete Adventurer (ninjas)
    • Complete Arcane (warlocks; Tsukiko's and Zz'dtri's spells)
    • Complete Warrior (hexblade)
    • Dungeonscape (Thog; the acid-breathing shark; note that The Giant co-wrote this book)
    • Expanded Psionics Handbook (blue; mindblade)
    • Fiend Folio (certain monsters)
    • Frostburn (Frostbite spell)
    • Magic of Incarnum (mentioned by Redcloak's lackey)
    • Monster Manual (mentioned by Celia and Vaarsuvius)
    • Monster Manual 2 (certain monsters)
    • Oriental Adventures (other samurai class, and mentioned by Xykon)
    • Races of the Dragon (winged kobold)
    • Spell Compendium (numerous spells that aren't from the PHB1)
    • uncertain: Epic Level Handbook (a feat and spell from this book are mentioned, but most epic characters or spells in the comic don't follow the rules from this book)


    Q: In which comic do the characters demonstrate having leveled?
    Level
    9 12 12 12 12 12 12
    10 124 125 124 124 124 124
    11 ??? ??? 201 ??? ??? 186
    12 251 249 ??? 382 477 220
    13 ???, 665 ??? 556, 1162 392 511 397
    14 485, 862 ??? 859 647 ??? 627
    15 - 860 864 860 648 716
    16 - - - - 990 935

    Q: Which characters are included in this thread?
    (1) All named members of the Order, Team Evil, the Linear Guild, the Order of the Scribble, and the Vector Legion.
    (2) Any frequently occurring character, as noted in the Character Appearances thread. Note that this includes Samantha: it was easier to be a common character back when the comic was shorter. We don't unlist characters just because they've died.
    (3) Family members of the main characters, as long as we have something to write about them.
    This means that Daigo and Bandana would be next in line, but we don't have a lot of material on either character.

    Q: Which material is covered by this thread?
    All comics on the web and in print (including SSDT, Gygax magazine, and the Kickstarter bonus stories), as well as anything written about the comic by The Giant. However, not included are any one-panel joke comics, such as used for incentives, t-shirts, or the fundraiser.
    Note that even though the characters have stated they aren't sure whether this is the same continuity, certain items and abilities have been shown to carry over. We're listing all of it here for the sake of convenience, but any material from (e.g.) SSDT is clearly marked as such so that people can distinguish it from the main online comics.

    Q: I've heard there was a fight over some topic years ago, and now we're not allowed to discuss it any more. Is that the case?
    No; this thread does not have a banned topic list (of course, the forum as a whole has one; please see the board rules for details). Also see the thread rules by Mark Hall.

    Q: Is a character's statement about another character considered evidence?
    Yes. We assume that when a character says something about another character's (or his own) ability scores, build, feats, and so forth, they are speaking the truth, except where this contradicts with other evidence or is clearly not possible within the rules.

    Q: If a character makes a special attack like grappling, and his victim does not make an attack of opportunity, can that be evidence of a feat like Improved Grapple?
    Yes, assuming the victim is armed, and otherwise capable of making AOOs. It is clear that the rules for attacks of opportunity are used in the comic, and there is no reason to assume that grappling/tripping/sundering is an exception.

    Q: If somebody doesn't say the name of a spell while casting it, does that mean he has the Silent Spell feat?
    Not necessarily. We know that Vaarsuvius doesn't have that feat, and yet V still occasionally casts spells while talking about something else.

    Q: What does "Core" mean?
    The three "Core" books in 3E D&D are the Player's Handbook 1 (PHB), Dungeon Master's Guide 1 (DMG), and Monster Manual 1 (MM). This is an official term defined by WOTC, who put the word "Core" in big letters on the cover of these three books. No other books are Core, and there is no such thing as "partially Core", "almost Core", or "semi-Core" - every book is either Core or non-Core. Note that both the OOTS comic and this thread contain numerous non-Core elements.

    Q: Does The Giant use house rules?
    Probably. But for the purpose of this thread, we assume that the comic doesn't, except where The Giant has explicitly said so, or where some event is clearly not possible by the rules. That is, we try to explain events in the comic within the rules as much as possible, and that means not leaving factoids out of this thread just because The Giant might not have followed the rules there.

    Q: A character undertook this heinous/awesome/dutiful/impulsive/meh action. Does that mean they are now evil/good/lawful/chaotic/neutral?
    No. As seen in a thousand forum threads, people have different ideas about alignment, and what defines and changes them. The alignments posted here are taken from the character's own mouth, someone else in a position to know their alignment, or their use of a spell/feat/whatever which has an alignment restriction. Kindly refrain from speculating from how a character's action changes their alignment, since it's not really something you can reason out with facts and numbers.

    Q: A character undertook this brilliant/moronic/insightful/ignorant/inspiring/repulsive action. Does that mean they now have a high/low intelligence/wisdom/charisma score?
    No. Similar to the previous question, people have different ideas about what the mental ability scores represent and how much they influence a character's personality. The ability scores posted here are taken from the character's own mouth, someone else in a position to know their scores, or their use of a spell/feat/whatever which requires a minimum ability score. Kindly refrain from speculating from how a character's personality changes their ability scores, since it's not really something you can reason out with facts and numbers either.

    Q: How does Xykon cast Maximized Energy Drain in comic 652?
    We don't know for sure. The most popular theories involve the feat Sudden Maximize, the feat Improved Spell Capacity, or a Rod of Metamagic. Each theory has its pros and cons. Note that comics 429, 442, and 1041 have implications for Xykon's level, and that 653 requires the Metamagic Specialist alternate class feature, regardless of his level.

    Q: What magic item makes Xykon immune to fire damage in comic 653?
    We don't know for sure; there are multiple items within RAW that make their user immune to fire, available from level 14. Note that Xykon doesn't specify whether it's an amulet, ring, belt, or other kind of item.
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    Roy Greenhilt
    Lawful Good, Human male Fighter 14+ (forum).
    Str 29 (same as a frost giant).
    Dex 13+ (required for Improved Grapple).
    Con 12+ (151+ hit points).
    Int 14-17 (very good, less than Vaarsuvius, forum).
    Wis 14+ (very good, forum).
    Cha 12+ (decent, forum; less than Elan).
    Age: 29.
    Feats: Cleave (prerequisite for Great Cleave), Combat Expertise (prerequisite for Improved Disarm), Endurance (to sleep in armor without getting fatigued), Great Cleave, Improved Disarm, Improved Grapple, Improved Sunder, Improved Unarmed Strike, Least Legacy, Lesser Legacy, Power Attack (prerequisite for Cleave), Spellsplinter Maneuver, Weapon Focus (prerequisite for Weapon Specialization), Weapon Specialization: greatsword.
    Skills: Bluff 0, Heal, Intimidate, Jump, Knowledge: Arcana, Knowledge: Architecture and Engineering 2+, Knowledge: Geography, Knowledge: Planes, Listen low, Profession: Baseball Player (BRITF), Profession: Goatherd, Ride 1, Sense Motive 0 (OOPC), Spellcraft, Spot low.
    Items: Magical heavy armor, Bag of Tricks, club, newspaper, heirloom +5 Starmetal Greatsword of Legacy, formal suit, shillelagh oil, potion of delay poison, Ring of Protection (WXP), Manual of Gainful Exercise (SSDT), non-magical boots, bedroll, list of Xykon's spells, feats and magic items, Belt of Giant Strength, book, sextant, runestone, Wrecan's book, scarf, potions of Cure Serious, Remove Paralysis, Magical Vestment.

    Belkar Bitterleaf aka Ali S. Fakenamington (KS:US), aka the Belkster, aka Death's Li'l Helper
    Chaotic Evil, Halfling male Ranger 14 / Barbarian 1 (forum, deafened by Holy Word).
    Str 14-17 (jump exceeds movement, forum, and carrying capacity in SSDT).
    Dex 13+ (required for Spring Attack).
    Int <10 (OOPC).
    Wis 9 (ability score penalty, and can use a third-level scroll when buffed).
    Cha <10 (without any charisma).
    Age: 28+ (ranger for three years, over a year ago).
    Feats: Endurance, Greater Two-Weapon Fighting, Improved Two-Weapon Fighting, Track, Two-Weapon Fighting (all ranger bonus feats); Bounding Assault, Craft Disturbing Mental Image, Dodge (prerequisite for Spring Attack), Improved Sunder, Mobility (prerequisite for Spring Attack), Power Attack (prerequisite for Improved Sunder), Spring Attack; no feats related to special attacks (SSDT).
    Skills: Balance 5+, Climb, Craft: Alchemy, Craft: Trapmaking, Handle Animal 0 (NCPB), Hide, Jump, Move Silently 2+, Profession: gourmet chef 4, Sense Motive 0, Speak Language: Halfling (racial), Spellcraft 4+, Spot 0, Survival 0, Tumble, Use Magic Device (SSDT).
    Abilities: Halfling racial abilities, ranger and barbarian class abilities, animal companion: Mr. Scruffy, favored enemy: human (forum) and undead, scent.
    Items: Unholy symbol, red chalk, cloak, Ring of Jumping +20, stilts, Sapphire guard disguise, Ring of Protection (WXP), quill, string, chef hat, Mama Bitterleaf's secret ingredient, clothespin, bedroll, +4 and +2 daggers (forum), mallet and spike (DSTP), mimic (SSDT), wand of dispel clothing (SSDT), 18 pounds of salt (GYG), book: Dune, bucket and spade, bag of holding full of money, +5 Dagger of Collision, +3 Vest of Resistance, Clasp of Protection from Evil, Feather Fall item, spatula, stakes.

    Mr. Scruffy
    True Neutral (forum), Cat male, animal companion.
    Str 6 (animal companion).
    Dex 18 (animal companion).
    Con 10 (racial).
    Int 2 (racial).
    Wis 12 (racial).
    Cha 7 (racial).
    Age: 7 (WXP).
    Feats: Stealthy, Weapon Finesse (racial bonus feats).
    Skills: Balance +10, Climb +6, Hide +16, Jump +10, Listen +3, Move Silently +8, Spot +3 (all racial skills).
    Abilities: Racial abilities; animal companion abilities; 3 tricks, including attack and come.
    Items: String, gear and wind-up key (UD), potion of Greater Magic Fang.

    Durkon Allotrope Thundershield
    Lawful Good, Dwarf male Cleric of Thor 13 (required to cast Regenerate).
    Str 16-21 (can carry Vaarsuvius, can't carry Roy, before getting his belt).
    Dex <10 (dex penalty, SSDT).
    Con ~12 (racial).
    Wis 22-23 (forum).
    Cha <10 (low modifier, see also DCF).
    Age: 55+.
    Feats: Extend Spell or Sudden Extend, Extra Turning, Leadership (UD), Martial Weapon Proficiency: Warhammer.
    Skills: Concentration 7+ (forum), Knowledge: Religion not maxed, Listen 0 (OOPC), Ride 0, Speak Language: Dwarven (racial) and Giant (SSDT), Spellcraft, Spot 0.
    Abilities: Dwarf racial abilities, Turn Undead, Good domain (required to cast Holy Smite),
    Items: Candles, bedroll, deck of cards, holy symbol, Amulet of Natural Armor, Ring of Protection (WXP), parcheesi board, spyglass, religious vestments, scroll of Sending, belt pouch, Bleedingham papers, flask of liquor, Macebook, 5,000+ gp of diamond dust (Greg used 5000 for Symbol of Death), robe, Hammer of Thunderbolts, Gauntlets of Ogre Power, Belt of Giant Strength, plate armor.
    Spells: Standard cleric list, domain spells, plus Bless Beer (WXP), Call Lightning (DCF), Cat's Grace, Control Winds, Cure Itchy Wounds, Heat Blisters of Eternal Pain, Heathen Smiting, Mass Death Ward with backdoor, Thor's Lightning, and Tumor, unspecified clock spell.

    Elan
    Chaotic Good, Human male Bard 14+ (required to retrain to Cure Critical Wounds) / Dashing Swordsman 1+.
    Str 10-11 (KS:H&J, and the same as Nale, forum).
    Dex 13-17 (required for Dodge, and to get a four on Move Silently).
    Con same as Nale.
    Int 4-9 (too low to cast cantrips, but higher than Thog.
    Wis <10 (not even a smidgen).
    Cha 22+ (required for 5th level spells at level 13, +2 from belt).
    Age: 22 (same as Nale, who is five years older than Julia, who is 17).
    Feats: Dodge, Mobility (both prerequisites for Spring Attack), Spring Attack, Still Spell.
    Skills: Concentration 0, Craft: Shiv 0, Diplomacy, Hide, Listen (higher than Sir Francois, OOPC), Move Silently <3, Perform: riddles 2+ (BRITF), Perform: sing 12+ (required for Inspire Greatness), Perform: string instruments 15+ (required for Song of Freedom), Perform: kazoo 3+, Ride 2+, Spot 0, Spellcraft 2+, Tumble.
    Abilities: Bard class abilities, charismatic strike, dramatic instincts, glass damage immunity.
    Items: Bedroll, Banjo, coffee maker, espresto box, ceremonial meat costume (OOPC), ritalin (OOPC), dice, Boots of Elvenkind, kazoo, jam, lantern, pingpong bat, roller skate, squirrel, yoyo, Ring of Protection (WXP), dashing outfit, toothbrush, Lutey the Lute-tastical Lute, evil sword (SSDT), castanets and sombrero (SSDT), equipment lists (GYG), Belt of Charisma +2, treasure chest, drawing, The Stick the Order was named after, letter, Chaos Sabre, Wand of Cure Moderate Wounds, Armand Vestinghole; no armor.
    Spells: Animate Rope, Cure Critical Wounds, Disguise Self, Ghost Sound, Greater Dispel Magic, Lesser Confusion, Major Image, Mass Cure Light Wounds, Mending, Neutralize Poison, Prestidigitation, Silent Image, Summon Plot Exposition; no Identify, nor Break Enchantment.

    Haley Starshine aka Mistress Nightingale, aka The Red Blur (OOPC), aka Dark Mistress Shadowgale
    Chaotic Good, Human female Rogue 16 (based on attacks per round and leveled since then).
    Str 15-19 (high enough to carry Belkar (forum), but can't carry Roy).
    Dex 20-21 (modifier of +5, forum).
    Con 9+ (higher than Vaarsuvius).
    Int 12+ (received bonus languages).
    Cha 12-19 (with any charisma; and with maxed out Bluff, for Hide to be her best skill, her cha mod has to be less than her dex mod).
    Age: About 25 (forum; was 24 here, and that was over a year ago).
    Feats: Dodge (SSDT), Improved Precise Shot, Manyshot, Martial Weapon Proficiency (longbow), Point Blank Shot, Precise Shot (prerequisite for IPS), Ranged Pin, Ranged Sunder, Rapid Shot.
    Skills: Appraise, Bluff 18+ (maxed out), Disable Device, Forgery (OOPC), Hide 18+ (best skill), Knowledge: Arcana, Knowledge: Planes, Knowledge: Religion low (forum), Open Lock 15 (forum), Ride 0, Search not maxed, Sense Motive 2+, Spellcraft 9+, Spot 0, Tumble, Use Magic Device 7+, Use Rope 8.
    Abilities: Rogue class abilities; three special rogue abilities, two spent on a feat (based on feat count for her level).
    Items: Two gemstones, 8 Bags of Holding, towel, hair dryer, Ring of Protection (WXP), rope, +5 Air Freshener of Pineness, a lot of clothes, bedroll, +5 Icy Burst Longbow, bag of copper pieces (SSDT), magic leather armor, dyed Boots of Speed (forum), trowel, metal detector, Bleedingham papers, 4+ quivers of green arrows including silver and cold iron, three potions (since Belkar took one), thief's tools, Z's wands, Wand of Obscuring Mist, Magic Missile, Fly, adamantine dagger, and four others, winter coat, Elan's coat.

    Minrah Elle Shaleshoe
    Lawful good, Dwarf female, Fighter 1+ / Cleric 9+.
    Str 15-19 (prerequisite for Knockdown, and can fail to pierce a vampire spawn's DR).
    Con ~12 (racial).
    Int 13+ (required for Combat Expertise).
    Wis 16+ (based on spells per day).
    Cha 6+ (can return as a ghost).
    Feats: Combat Expertise, Improved Trip, Knockdown, Power Attack (to get through vampire DR after having all buffs dispelled), Improved Unarmed Strike, Improved Bull Rush, Knockback.
    Skills: Knowledge: Planes 0, Knowledge: Religion, Spellcraft.
    Abilities: Dwarf racial abilities.
    Items: Holy symbol, non-silvered warhammer (based on vampire spawn DR), armor, helmet.

    Vaarsuvius
    True Neutral (forum), High Elf (OOPC) genderqueer (BRITF) Wizard: Evoker (DCF) 16 (+1 caster level from Blackwing's ioun stone).
    Str 5-9 (can carry Yukyuk, and strength penalty).
    Dex <12 (no real attack bonus on rays, forum).
    Con 8-12 (to have enough HP to survive the fight against Xykon; also, lacks a decent con, forum; and lower than Haley).
    Int 24 (forum).
    Wis 10-11 (moderate, forum).
    Cha 6-9 (can return as a ghost, and without any charisma).
    Age: 131+ (WXP).
    Feats: Alertness, Empower Spell, Extend Spell, Improved Counterspell, Maximize Spell (SSDT), Quicken Spell, Scribe Scroll (wizard bonus feat); no Silent Spell (forum), nor Still Spell.
    Skills: Appraise +3 (from familiar), Concentration 12+, Craft: Alchemy, Decipher Script (SSDT), Knowledge: Arcana, Knowledge: Engineering, Knowledge: Religion not high (forum), Ride 0, Spot 0, Search 0, Speak Language: Elven (racial), raven, not draconic (SSDT), Spellcraft, Use Magic Device 2+.
    Abilities: Elf racial abilities, familiar: Blackwing, share spells with familiar, scry on familiar, barred schools: Conjuration and Necromancy (forum; also by elimination).
    Items: Headband of Intellect +4 (required to cast four 6th level spells with a base int of 18 at level 11), doily, Ring of Wizardry III or IV, two small gemstones, many scrolls and spellbooks, Ring of Protection (WXP), Finding Plot Holes for Dummies, twelve more books, two potions (SSDT), apricot-scented face gel (SSDT), chalice (SSDT), jar of diamond dust, Bleedingham papers, defensive potions, Tarquin's whip.
    Spells: Arcane Sight, Banishment, Bear's Endurance. Bull's Strength, Bugsby's Cat-Retrieving Hand, Bugsby's Clenched Fist, Bugsby's Expressive Single Digit, Bugsby's Flicking Finger, Bugsby's Grasping Hand, Burning Hands, Chain Lightning, Charm Monster, Cone of Cold, Crushing Despair, Detect Magic, Dimensional Anchor, Dimensional Lock, Disintegrate, Dispel Magic, Distant Inferno (OOPC), Dominate Person, Expeditious Retreat, Explosive Runes, Feather Fall, Fireball, Fire Trap, Flamefinger (OOPC), Forcecage, Fly, Greater Dispel Magic, Greater Invisibility, Gust of Wind, Haste, Heroism, Hold Monster (SSDT), Hold Person, Hold Portal, Identify, Invisibility, discount Invisibility Sphere, Lightning Bolt, Locate Creature, Locate Object, Magic Missile, Mass Bear's Endurance, Mass Bull's Strength, Mass Enlarge Person, Mass Suggestion, Mind Blank, Overland Flight usable on others, Owl's Wisdom, Passwall, Polymorph, Power Word Blind, Power Word Stun, Prestidigitation, Prismatic Spray, Protection from Arrows, Ray of Frost, Resilient Sphere, Scorching Ray, See Invisibility, Sending, Shadow Conjuration (to cast Evan's Tentacles, forum), Silent Image a.k.a. Phantasmal Force, Sleep, Stinking Cloud (DCF), Stoneskin, Stone to Flesh, Suggestion, Summon Plot Hole (Supercollider Mash-Up), True Seeing, Vaarsuvius' Enhanced Scrying, Vaarsuvius' Greater Animal Messenger, Vampiric Touch, Veil, Wall of Fire, Wall of Force, unspecified polymorph spell, unspecified sonic spell.

    Blackwing (Common name)
    Raven male, familiar.
    Str 1 (racial).
    Dex 15 (racial).
    Con 10 (racial).
    Int 13 (familiar).
    Wis 14 (racial).
    Cha 6 (racial).
    Feats: Alertness, Weapon Finesse (racial bonus feats).
    Skills: Listen +5, Spot +7 (racial skills), can use Vaarsuvius's skill ranks (familiar).
    Abilities: Racial abilities; familiar abilities.
    Items: Bauble, sombrero, fake beard and mustache, wand, bracelet with Orange Prism Ioun Stone, sunglasses.
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    Team Evil

    Xykon, pseudonym (SOD)
    Chaotic (forum) Evil, Human male lich, Sorcerer 21+ (see 429, 442, and 1041), metamagic specialist
    Str 15+ (forum).
    Con n/a (undead).
    Int ~15 (no evidence, age and lichdom).
    Wis ~15 (no evidence, age and lichdom).
    Cha 28+ (casts seven 9th level spells in one combat, SOD).
    Age: 111+ (WXP).
    Feats: Maximize Spell or Sudden Maximize, Still Spell or Sudden Still, Epic Spellcasting, unspecified craft feat, Dodge.
    Skills: Bluff, Concentration (required to cast while grappled), Spellcraft 24+, Knowledge: Arcana 24+ (required for Epic Spellcasting), Reverse Psychology 2+, Speak Language: Draconic (NCPB); +8 racial bonus on Hide, Listen, Move Silently, Search, Sense Motive, and Spot checks.
    Abilities: Fear aura, paralyzing touch, turn resistance, damage reduction (SOD), immunity to cold, electricity, polymorph, and mind-affecting attacks (all lich abilities).
    Items: Soul gem (SOD), Ring of Positive Plane Protection (SOD), Serini's diary, Widescreen crystal ball, Teevo, crown that radiates evil, Dorukan's headband, unspecified item that gives fire immunity, Ring of Protection that gives deflection bonus, unspecified item that boosts Spellcraft, bunch of scrolls, Boots of Freedom of Movement.
    Spells: Animate Dead, Animate Dead Animal (SOD), Burning Hands, Cloister, Cloudkill, Contingency, Energy Drain, Epic Mage Armor, Finger of Death, Fireball, Ghostform, Greater Invisibility, Greater Shatter, Greater Teleport, Invisibility (SOD), Lightning Bolt, Magic Missile, Mass Hold Person, Meteor Swarm, Otiluke's Resilient Sphere, Overland Flight, Ray of Frost, Soul Bind (SOD), Stoneskin, Superb Dispelling, Symbol of Insanity, Symbol of Pain, Telekinesis, Teleport, Vampiric Touch, Xykon's Moderately Escapable Forcecage, planar travel spell, summoning spell, architecture spell, and wall-breaking spell.

    Oona
    Bugbear female, racial HD 3 / unknown class 3+ (required for Beast Heart) / Beast Heart Adept 9+ (required for yrthak companion).
    Str ~14 (no evidence, racial).
    Dex 15+ (required for Two-Weapon Fighting).
    Con ~12 (no evidence, racial).
    Cha ~8 (no evidence, racial).
    Feats: Animal Affinity (required for Beast Heart), Track, Two-Weapon Fighting.
    Skills: Handle Animal 8, Knowledge: Arcana 4, Knowledge: Dungeoneering 4 (all required for Beast Heart Adept), Survival.
    Abilities: Bugbear racial abilities, Beast Heart Adept class abilities, monstrous companions: Lancer and Greyview
    Items: Mace, dagger, Mask of Cold Resistance, sack of monster parts.

    Redcloak, pseudonym (SOD)
    Lawful (required for Law domain) Evil (SOD), Goblin male, Cleric (SOD) 17+ (required to cast 9th level spells).
    Str ~8 (no evidence, racial).
    Dex ~12 (no evidence, racial).
    Wis 20+ (based on saving throw difficulty class).
    Cha 12+ (required to use Rebuke Undead four times per day).
    Age: 55+ (WXP), does not age physically (SOD).
    Feats: Craft Wondrous Item (Xykon's phylactery in SOD), Extend Spell.
    Skills: Diplomacy (SOD), Knowledge: Chemistry, Knowledge: Nature (SOD), Speak Language: Goblin (racial), Spellcraft; no Draconic (NCPB).
    Abilities: Goblin racial abilities, Rebuke Undead, Command Undead, Destruction domain (required to cast Disintegrate) and Law domain (required to cast Hold Monster, SOD).
    Items: Black armor (SOD), The Crimson Mantle, backup unholy symbol, Book of Vile Darkness, Fiend Folio, Monster Manual II, eye patch, spyglass, 8th level scroll (WXP), Xykon's Phylactery, Arcane half of the Snarl Ritual, Ring of protection from level drain, boots.
    Spells: Standard cleric list and domain spells, plus Unseal, Greater Obscure Object, Superior Resistance, Hardening.

    Tsukiko (deceased)
    Neutral Evil (forum), Human female, Wizard: Necromancer (forum) 3+ / Cleric 3+ (required for Mystic Theurge) / Mystic Theurge 6+, and two more levels of Wizard or Mystic Theurge (required to cast Create Undead).
    Int 16+ (required to cast Create Undead as a wizard).
    Wis 15+ (required to cast Flame Strike as a cleric).
    Feats: Scribe Scroll (wizard bonus feat), Quicken Spell.
    Skills: Knowledge: Arcana 6+, Knowledge: Religion 6+ (required for Mystic Theurge).
    Abilities: Rebuke Undead, barred school (forum): Abjuration (by elimination).
    Items: Spellbook (wizard feature), item that boosts caster level (to teleport six wights), unholy symbol (required to cast Flame Strike), Xykon plushie, Xykon portrait, various books and scrolls, quill.
    Spells: Standard cleric list, plus wizard spells Cold Orb, Create Undead, Dominate Person, Electric Orb, Fire Orb, Fireball, Fly, Invisibility, Lesser Acid Orb, Lightning Bolt, Mind Fog, Shout, Teleport, Tsukiko's Amazing Wight-Making Spell (forum).

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    Please see this thread for details.



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    Nale (deceased)
    Non-lawful Evil (forum), Human male, Fighter / Rogue 2+ (required for Evasion) / Sorcerer 8+ (required to cast Dimension Door); total level 15 (deafened by Holy Word).
    Str 10-11 (same as Elan, forum).
    Dex 13-17 (same as Elan).
    Con same as Elan.
    Int 13+ (required for Combat Expertise).
    Cha 15+ (required to cast Sending).
    Age: 22 (same as Elan).
    Feats: Combat Expertise, Improved Disarm.
    Skills: Bluff.
    Items: Longsword, business cards, wand of Enervation, Elixirs of Negative Energy Protection.
    Spells: Charm Person, Dimension Door, Expeditious Retreat, Invisibility, Prestidigitation, Suggestion.

    Hilgya Firehelm & Kudzu
    Chaotic (required for Chaos domain) Evil (WXP), Dwarf female, Cleric of Loki 14+ (based on spells cast per day).
    Con ~12 (no evidence, racial).
    Wis 24+ (based on spells cast per day).
    Cha 6+ (can use Turn Undead).
    Skills: Speak Language: Dwarven (racial).
    Feats: Empower Spell.
    Abilities: Dwarf racial abilities, Chaos domain, Fire domain, Turn Undead (despite evil alignment).
    Items: Horned helmet, armor, shield, holy symbol (required to use rebuke ability), morningstar, carrying sling, anarchic water, wand of Protection from Law, plate armor.

    Leeky Windstaff
    Neutral Evil, Gnome male, Druid 13+ (required to cast Fire Storm).
    Str ~8 (no evidence, racial).
    Con ~12 (no evidence, racial).
    Wis 17+ (required to cast Fire Storm).
    Feats: Leadership.
    Abilities: Gnome racial abilities, druid class abilities, animal companion: hawk "Kitty" (deceased).

    Pompey
    Neutral Evil, Half-Elf male, Wizard: Conjurer 5+ (required to cast Still Silent Animate Rope).
    Int 14+ (required to cast four 2nd level spells per day).
    Age: 44+.
    Feats: Scribe scroll (wizard bonus feat), Silent Spell, Still Spell.
    Skills: Knowledge: Arcana.
    Abilities: Half-elf racial abilities, barred schools: evocation and enchantment.
    Items: Spellbook (wizard feature).
    Spells: Animate Rope, Summon Monster I, Summon Monster II, five unspecified touch-range buff spells.

    Sabine
    Evil, Succubus female, Racial hit dice 6 / Level adjustment 6 / Rogue (NCPB) 4+ (at least as high as her personal rival Haley).
    Str 19+ (can carry Nale and Thog).
    Dex ~13 (no evidence, racial).
    Con ~13 (no evidence, racial).
    Int 9+ (higher than Thog, lower than Nale, forum).
    Wis ~14 (no evidence, racial).
    Cha ~26 (no evidence, racial).
    Age: 2000+ (NCPB).
    Abilities: Flight, change shape, energy drain, charm monster, detect good, detect thoughts, ethereal jaunt, suggestion, greater teleport: self plus 50 pounds of objects, summon demon, damage reduction 10 / cold iron or good, darkvision, electricity and poison immunity, acid cold and fire resistance, spell resistance 18, telepathy, tongues; plane shift 1/day (all racial abilities), rogue class abilities, immune to fatigue.
    Items: Cellphone

    Thog
    Non-lawful (required for rage) Evil, Half-Orc male, Fighter 2 / Barbarian 9+ (required to have 3 attacks a round).
    Str 22+ (to break down an iron door while raging).
    Con 16+ with Extend Rage feat, or 26+ without (based on rage rounds per day).
    Int <8 (racial, dump stat).
    Wis <10 (abysmal will save).
    Cha ~8 (no evidence, racial).
    Age: 17+ (WXP).
    Feats: Extend Rage (see above), Improved Bull Rush, Power Attack.
    Skills: Jump.
    Abilities: Dungeoncrasher (forum), half-orc racial abilities, barbarian class abilities.

    Yikyik (deceased)
    Chaotic Evil (same as Belkar, DCF), Kobold male, Ranger (DCF).
    Str ~6 (no evidence, racial).
    Dex 12+ (gets additional attack from Combat Reflexes).
    Con ~8 (no evidence, racial).
    Feats: Combat Reflexes, Track (ranger bonus feat).
    Skills: Speak Language: Draconic (racial).
    Abilities: Kobold racial abilities.
    Items: Dagger.

    Yokyok (deceased)
    Kobold male.
    Str ~6 (no evidence, racial).
    Dex ~12 (no evidence, racial).
    Con ~8 (no evidence, racial).
    Skills: Speak Language: Draconic (racial).
    Abilities: Kobold racial abilities.
    Items: Rapier.

    Yukyuk (deceased)
    Kobold male, Ranger 4+ (required for an animal companion) / Rogue.
    Str ~6 (no evidence, racial).
    Dex ~12 (no evidence, racial).
    Con ~8 (no evidence, racial).
    Abilities: Ranger and rogue class abilities, animal companion: riding dog "Sir Scraggly".
    Feats: Endurance, Track (ranger bonus feats).
    Skills: Speak Language: Draconic (racial).
    Abilities: Kobold racial abilities.
    Items: Two Crossbows of Quick Loading.

    Zz'dtri (deceased)
    Neutral Evil (forum), Drow male, Wizard: Transmuter (DCF) 15 (deafened by Holy Word).
    Dex ~12 (no evidence, racial).
    Con ~8 (no evidence, racial).
    Int 17+ (required to cast Plane Shift).
    Cha ~12 (no evidence, racial).
    Feats: Lightning Reflexes, Scribe Scroll (wizard bonus feat), Silent Spell (forum), Boost Spell Resistance, unspecified feat that increases Spell Resistance, Empower Spell.
    Skills: Speak Language: Drow Sign Language.
    Abilities: Spell Resistance 28+ (racial, +4 from feats and an item); drow racial abilities; barred schools: Enchantment, Necromancy (by elimination).
    Items: Spellbook (wizard feature), unspecified item that boosts Spell Resistance.
    Spells: Baleful Polymorph, Break Enchantment: short version, Dimension Door, Disguise Self, Flesh to Stone, Fly: 3.0 version, Greater Dispel Magic, Gust of Wind, Locate Object, Magic Circle Against Evil, Phantasmal Killer, Planar Binding, Plane Shift, Protection from Energy, Scrying, Shield, Teleport, Vitriolic Sphere, Wall of Ice, unspecified lightning spell.
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    Hinjo
    Lawful Good, Human male, Paladin 11+ (based on attacks per round).
    Cha 12+ (required for Lay On Hands).
    Age: 24+ (WXP).
    Skills: Diplomacy (GDGU), Swim 0 (GDGU).
    Abilities: Paladin class abilities, Summon Conscience, paladin mount: dire wolf "Argent".
    Items: Cold-iron katana, silvered katana; magic boots, cloak and armor (WXP).

    Lien
    Lawful Good, Human female, Paladin 12+ (higher level than Hinjo).
    Str 13+ (required for Cleave).
    Int 10+ (good, not dumb).
    Wis 11+ (required to cast spells).
    Cha 12+ (required for Lay On Hands).
    Age: 23+ (younger than Hinjo, GDGU).
    Feats: Cleave, Power Attack (prerequisite for Cleave), Weapon Focus: Spear.
    Abilities: Paladin class abilities, paladin mount: large shark "Razor".
    Items: Spear; magic boots, cloak and armor (WXP); Ring of Waterbreathing, crossbow.

    Miko Miyazaki (deceased)
    Lawful Good, Human female, Monk 2+ / Fallen Paladin 10-14 (three main-hand attacks per round, higher level than Hinjo, and three smites per day, forum).
    Str 13+ (required for Exotic Weapon Proficiency: Katana).
    Dex 17+ (required for Improved Two-Weapon Fighting).
    Wis 11+ (required to cast Cure Light Wounds in the Miko fight).
    Cha 12+ (required for Lay On Hands).
    Age: 28+ (WXP).
    Feats: Cleave, Exotic Weapon Proficiency: Katana, Improved Two-Weapon Fighting (two off-hand attacks per round), Improved Unarmed Strike, Power Attack, Quick Draw, Stunning Fist, Track, Two-Weapon Fighting (prerequisite for ITWF).
    Skills: Knowledge: the Planes, Knowledge: What The Hell She's Talking About 0, Spellcraft 0, Survival 1.
    Abilities: Monk class abilities, unavailable paladin mount: horse "Windstriker".
    Items: Magic boots, cloak and armor (WXP); katana, wakizashi.

    O-Chul
    Lawful Good, Human male, Fighter 8+ / Paladin 3-4 (has Aura of Courage but no mount), total level 12+ (higher than Hinjo).
    Str 11+ (can carry Vaarsuvius).
    Con ~25 (WXP).
    Cha <10 (dump stat).
    Age: 50+ (in GDGU, Hinjo is 15-16 and O-Chul is 42).
    Feats: Exotic Weapon Proficiency: Katana (GDGU).
    Skills: Bluff 0, Diplomacy 2+ (forum), Spellcraft, Swim.
    Items: Protective cloak, go set, spyglass.

    Shojo (deceased)
    Chaotic Good, Human male, Aristocrat 14.
    Str / Dex / Con ~4 (no evidence, age).
    Int / Wis / Cha ~13 (no evidence, age).
    Age: 72+ (WXP).
    Feats: Improved Paranoia.
    Skills: Bluff, Perform (puppetry).



    The Vector Legion

    Tarquin
    Lawful Evil, Human male Villain (DSTP), level 16+ (unaffected by Holy Word).
    Str 16+ (can carry Nale).
    Dex, Con ~9 (no evidence, age).
    Int, Wis ~11 (no evidence, age).
    Cha 16+ (higher than Nale, BRITF).
    Age: 51+ (adventuring for 35 years).
    Feats: Exotic Weapon Proficiency: Whip, Improved Unarmed Strike, Stunning Fist.
    Skills: Speak Language: Drow Sign Language, Ride, Spellcraft, Spot.
    Abilities: Evasion, Counter Charge, Soaring Throw.
    Items: helmet, two Rings of Regeneration, Ring of True Seeing, Glamered plate armor, mask that says "Nope" on it, Extra Strength Keoghtum Ointment.

    Soul Muncher
    Intelligent (BRITF) ki focus axe.

    Jacinda
    Evil (forum), Catfolk female.
    Items: Dagger.

    Kilkil
    Lawful Neutral (forum), Winged Kobold male, level 6-10 (paralyzed by Holy Word).
    Str ~6 (no evidence, racial).
    Dex ~12 (no evidence, racial).
    Con ~8 (no evidence, racial).
    Items: Glasses.
    Skills: Speak Language: Draconic (racial).
    Abilities: Kobold racial abilities, Flight.

    Laurin Shattersmith
    Evil (forum), Human female, Psion 15+ (required to craft a +5 collision weapon).
    Str, Dex, Con ~7 (no evidence, age).
    Int 18+ (required to manifest Matter Manipulation).
    Wis, Cha ~12 (no evidence, age).
    Age: 58+ (forum).
    Feats: Craft Psionic Arms and Armor, Expanded Knowledge x2 (can manifest Clairvoyant Sense, Control Body, and Mind Probe).
    Items: Headband, two Ioun Stones.
    Powers: Body Adjustment, Clairvoyant Sense, Control Body, Dimension Door, Disintegrate, Dispel Psionics, Energy Adaptation, Matter Manipulation, Mental Disruption, Mind Probe, Telekinetic Force, Wormhole, unspecified attack power.

    Malack (deceased), pseudonym
    Lawful Evil (forum), Lizardfolk male vampire, Cleric of Nergal 12 (required for Craft Staff, but no higher spells, forum).
    Str ~18 (no evidence, racial).
    Dex ~14 (no evidence, racial).
    Con n/a (undead).
    Int ~13 (no evidence, racial, age).
    Wis 20+ (from spells per day, forum).
    Cha ~17 (no evidence, racial, age).
    Age: 200+.
    Feats: Craft Staff, Quicken Spell.
    Skills: Speak Language: Draconic (racial), Spellcraft, Use Magic Device.
    Abilities: Vampire abilities, Death and Destruction domains (forum).
    Items: Holy Symbol.
    Spells: Standard cleric list and domain spells, plus Protection from Daylight.

    Miron Shewdanker
    Evil (forum), Human male, Wizard 15+ or Sorcerer 16+ (required to cast Horrid Wilting).
    Str, Dex ~9 (no evidence, age).
    Con 6+ (forum).
    Wis ~11 (no evidence, age).
    Int or Cha 18+ (required to cast Horrid Wilting, depending on his class).
    Age: 38+ (forum).
    Spells: Baleful Polymorph, Contingency, Greater Dispel Magic, Horrid Wilting, Teleport, unspecified defensive spell.

    ???
    We don't seem to know anything about the sixth member of the Vector Legion.
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    Soon Kim (deceased)
    Lawful Good, Human male Sacred Watcher, Paladin 21+ (Low Epic).
    Str 13+ (required for Exotic Weapon Proficiency: Katana).
    Con n/a (Deathless).
    Cha ~14 (no evidence, Sacred Watcher).
    Abilities: Flight, Paladin class abilities, Sacred Watcher abilities, Deathless abilities.
    Feats: Exotic Weapon Proficiency: Katana.
    Items: Enchanted Armor, Katana.

    Dorukan (deceased and soulbound, SOD)
    Neutral Good (forum), Human male, Wizard 21+.
    Str/Dex/Con ~4 (no evidence, age).
    Int 19+ (required to cast Gate, SOD).
    Feats: Scribe Scroll (wizard bonus feat), Craft Wondrous Item, Epic Spellcasting.
    Skills: Knowledge: Arcana 24+, Spellcraft 24+ (both required for Epic Spellcasting).
    Spells: Arcane Half of the Mystic Gate ritual, Cloister, Gate (SOD), Meteor Swarm (SOD), Monster Ward, Prismatic Spray (SOD), Pure Heart Ward, Seal Rift, Scrying (SOD), Teleport (SOD), unspecified fire spell (SOD), unspecified summoning spell.

    Girard Draketooth (deceased)
    Chaotic Neutral (forum), Black dragon-blooded human male, Ranger 2 / Sorcerer 19+ (low epic, forum).
    Cha 19+ (required to cast Microcosm).
    Feats: Track, Two-Weapon Fighting, no Epic Spellcasting (forum).
    Spells: Microcosm, Recorded Message Trap, unspecified illusion spell.

    Kraagor (deceased)
    Non-lawful, Dwarf male, Barbarian.
    Con ~12 (no evidence, racial).
    Cha ~8 (no evidence, racial).
    Skills: Speak Language: Dwarven (racial).
    Items: Axe.

    Lirian (deceased and soulbound, SOD)
    Neutral Good (forum), Elf female, Druid 21+ (Low Epic, forum).
    Dex ~12 (no evidence, racial).
    Con ~8 (no evidence, racial).
    Wis 19+ (required to cast Shapechange, SOD).
    Skills: Speak Language: Druidic (class) and Elven (racial).
    Spells: Standard druid list, plus Divine Half of the Mystic Gate ritual, Guardian Virus (SOD).

    Serini Toormuck
    Halfling female, Rogue 21+ (Low Epic).
    Str ~5 (no evidence, racial, age).
    Dex ~9 (no evidence, racial, age).
    Con ~7 (no evidence, age).
    Int/Wis/Cha ~12 (no evidence, age).
    Items: Shortbow.



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    Celia
    Lawful Good (DSTP), Sylph female, 6+ HD (required to cast Lightning Bolt).
    Str 14+ (required to pick up Roy).
    Cha 16+ (required to cast four 3rd level spells in a day).
    Age: 22+ (WXP).
    Abilities: Flight, cast sorcerer spells, shoot lightning out of her fingers (all racial abilities).
    Skills: Knowledge Nature, Profession: Lawyer, Spellcraft 10+.
    Items: Cell phone, feeblemind causing blue dress, black eyeliner pencil, bedroll.
    Spells: Alter Self, Charm Person, Lightning Bolt, Fog Cloud or Obscuring Mist, no necromancy spells.

    Chuck
    Nonlawful, Human male Rogue 3+/Wizard 5/Arcane Trickster 1
    Int 12+ (required to cast 2nd level spells)
    Feats: Scribe scroll (bonus wizard)
    Skills: Decipher Script 7+, Disable Device 7+, Escape Artist 7+, Knowledge (arcana) 4+.
    Abilities: Sneak Attack +2d6 or more, other Rogue class abilities, Wizard class abilities, Arcane Trickster class abilities
    Items: Shortsword (the sword he uses looks shorter than the one used by another character).
    Spells: Mage Hand, Bull's Strength, Acid Arrow and Scorching Ray.

    Eugene Greenhilt (deceased, OOPC)
    Lawful Good (SOD), Human male ghost, Wizard: Illusionist 11+ (required to cast Permanent Image).
    Str/Dex ~4 (no evidence, age).
    Con n/a (undead).
    Int 16+ (required to cast Permanent Image).
    Wis ~13 (no evidence, age).
    Cha 10+ (6 required to become a ghost, +4 bonus from ghost template).
    Age: 81+ (WXP).
    Feats: Scribe Scroll (wizard bonus feat).
    Items: Spellbook (wizard feature).
    Spells: Birth Control Spell (SOD), Conjure Chair (OOPC), Detect Scrying, Fly (SOD), Invisibility Sphere, Minor Image (OOPC), Permanent Image, Summon Boot, Teleport (SOD), unspecified fire spell.

    Greg (deceased)
    Lawful Evil, Dwarf vampire male, Cleric of Hel 15 (required to cast Symbol of Death).
    Str 20-25 (same as Durkon; +6 as vampire).
    Dex <14 (same as Durkon; +4 as vampire).
    Con n/a (undead).
    Int ~12 (no evidence; +2 as vampire).
    Wis 24-25 (same as Durkon; +2 as vampire).
    Cha <14 (same as Durkon; +4 as vampire).
    Abilities: Dwarf racial abilities, vampire abilities.
    Spells: Standard cleric list, plus Accelerate Vampirization.

    Hammerfall
    Evil, Dwarf vampire male, Cleric of Hel 13+ (required to cast Summon Monster VII).
    Con n/a (undead).
    Wis 19+ (required to cast Gate from a scroll).
    Skills: Decipher Script, Use Magic Device.
    Abilities: Dwarf racial abilities, vampire abilities.
    Items: Armor, belt, scrolls.

    Ian Starshine, aka Red
    Chaotic Neutral (forum), Human male, Rogue.
    Str, Con ~7 (no evidence, age)
    Int, Wis, Cha ~12 (no evidence, age).
    Age: 60+.
    Skills: Bluff, Knowledge: Local, Move Silently, Not Dying, Open Lock.
    Abilities: Rogue class abilities.
    Items: Signed amnesty papers, Elan's plan to take down Tarquin, dagger.

    Jenny
    Chaotic neutral, Human female Rogue 1+/Bard 3+/Sorcerer 1+
    Cha 11+ (required to cast Hideous Laughter as a Bard. If she had cast as a Sorcerer, it would need to be 12+)
    Skills: Perform (?*) 6+ (required to use Inspire Competence)
    Abilities: Bard, rogue, and sorcerer class abilities.
    Items: Harp.
    Spells: Hideous Laughter.

    Julia Greenhilt
    True Neutral, Human female, Wizard 3+.
    Int 15+ (required to cast Sending).
    Age: 17.
    Feats: Scribe Scroll (wizard bonus feat).
    Skills: Spellcraft.
    Spells: Feather Fall, Improved Sending, Magic Missile, Mask Scent.

    Logann Brightstone
    Dwarf male, Fighter 6+ (based on attacks per round).
    Con ~12 (no evidence, racial).
    Int 13+ (required for Improved Disarm).
    Cha ~8 (no evidence, racial).
    Feats: Combat Expertise, Improved Disarm.
    Abilities: Dwarf racial abilities.
    Items: Armor, Dwarven Waraxe.

    Qarr
    Lawful Evil, Imp male, Sorcerer 8-10 (required to cast Charm Monster, and to get only two Scorching Rays).
    Dex ~17 (no evidence, racial).
    Int 12+ (based on Zz'dtri's level).
    Wis ~12 (no evidence, racial).
    Cha 14+ (required to cast Charm Monster).
    Feats: Dodge, Weapon Finesse (racial bonus feats).
    Abilities: Flight, poison, detect good, detect magic, invisibility: self, suggestion, commune, alternate form, damage reduction 5/good or silver, darkvision, fast healing, poison immunity, fire resistance; greater teleport: self plus 50 pounds of objects, plane shift, summon devil (all racial abilities).
    Spells: Charm Monster, Extraplanar Phone Connection, Lesser Telepathic Bond, Lightning Bolt, Scorching Ray.

    Right-Eye (pseudonym; deceased, SOD)
    True Neutral, Goblin male, Rogue
    Str ~2 (no evidence, racial, age)
    Dex ~6 (no evidence, racial, age)
    Con ~4 (no evidence, age)
    Int 15+ (can speak common before aging; age)
    Wis ~13 (no evidence, age)
    Cha ~11 (no evidence, racial, age)
    Age: 40+ (venerable)
    Feats: Martial Weapon Proficiency: greataxe
    Skills: Craft: carpentry, Diplomacy 0, Listen 2+
    Abilities: Rogue class abilities.
    Items: Eyepatch, greataxe, deck of cards, hooded cloak, Deathstrike Bracers, 3 credit cards, scroll of Regeneration.

    Samantha (deceased)
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    Cha 16-21 (required to cast Chain Lightning, but has no bonus spells at level 6). Also, her charisma is higher than Haley's.
    Age: 18.
    Feats: Maximize Spell, no Silent Spell, nor Still Spell.
    Spells: Chain Lightning, Fireball, Fly, Hold Person, Lightning Bolt, Magic Missile, Protection From Arrows.

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    Annoying how many of those icons are fuzzed out by the hosting service.

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    Yeah, gotta move them to imgur or something rather than photobucket.

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    I’m assuming, because they aren’t explicitly listed as sources, that the calendars don’t count as evidence of anything, right? The reason I ask is that this year’s calendar puts Julia at level 11+ (Programmed Image) and adds Iron Body to Miron’s spell list, Prismatic Wall to Vaarsuvius’s, Shapechange to Xykon’s, and Contagion to Qarr’s. It also adds Mind Thrust to Laurin’s power list.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Aquillion View Post
    Yeah, gotta move them to imgur or something rather than photobucket.
    Imgur has blocked giantitp because they no longer wish to be thought of as an image hosting service.

    (Yes, seriously)

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    And it's the last book!
    Should Sending [improved] be added to Julia's spell list in light of recent events? (Also, this may have been covered before, but why is Mask Scent on her list? We only know that it's used at her school...)
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    She knows the effect and mechanics well enough we decided she's probably cast it herself on occasion.

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    Ah, that makes sense.

    And then another thing: based on the new comic, sounds like we now know the exact age of Julia (and by extension that of Nale (and by extension that of Elan)).
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    There's a small coding error in the Items line of Minrah's entry: you have [ib instead of [b].
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    Is it reasonable to suppose that to research a variation of Sending, Julia should know the original? The rules doesn't say anything in this direction - I may have answered my own question - but it seems reasonable to me.

    If so, she would have to be at least Wizard 9 (nice advance, miss Greenhilt!), since Sending is 5th level for wizards.
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    Quote Originally Posted by D.One View Post
    Is it reasonable to suppose that to research a variation of Sending, Julia should know the original? The rules doesn't say anything in this direction - I may have answered my own question - but it seems reasonable to me.

    If so, she would have to be at least Wizard 9 (nice advance, miss Greenhilt!), since Sending is 5th level for wizards.
    Whether or not we can conclude that, I think that we could conclude that her expanded sending spell isn't likely to be lower level than Sending, hence she is Wizard 9+..

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ephemera View Post
    Whether or not we can conclude that, I think that we could conclude that her expanded sending spell isn't likely to be lower level than Sending, hence she is Wizard 9+..
    Actually in panel five in 1192 she explicitly says she managed to lower the spell level.

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    Whether or not we can conclude that, I think that we could conclude that her expanded sending spell isn't likely to be lower level than Sending, hence she is Wizard 9+..
    But she said that it was lower level, which is why I don’t support raising her level to 9+, I feel like the whole point of saying it’s a lower level is because The Giant knows Sending is way too high for her to have reasonably reached.

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    I recognize that Conservation of Detail is Overrated, but I find the event that I am using as evidence for my theory above important enough/given enough focus to qualify for what I call Elan’s Exception, “Who wastes perfectly good foreshadowing like that?”. Also I have never correctly predicted any event in any piece of media so take this theory with a grain of salt (I call this Peelee’s Ye Old Reminder).

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    But she said that it was lower level, which is why I don’t support raising her level to 9+, I feel like the whole point of saying it’s a lower level is because The Giant knows Sending is way too high for her to have reasonably reached.

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    Umm...I once again fail reading comprehension, sorry about that.

    Having had that pointed out, I agree, we definitely cannot conclude that she knows regular sending (although we also can't conclude that she _isn't_ 9th level just based on this evidence).

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    OTOH, we now know she is 17, not 17+, so Nale and Elan are 21-23 (depending on month of birthday; well, Nale was 21-23).

    About her level, last time we saw her in action, months (maybe more than one year) and hundreds of pages ago, she was WIZ 3, but since them, we've seem members of the Order gain about 4 levels. Going from 3 to 9 isn't that stretch for her. That's no proof, sure, but it's not unreasonable, if she had been realy studying and training.
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    OTOH, we now know she is 17, not 17+, so Nale and Elan are 21-23 (depending on month of birthday).

    About her level, last time we saw her in action, months (maybe more than one year) and hundreds of pages ago, she was WIZ 3, but since them, we've seem members of the Order gain about 4 levels. Going from 3 to 9 isn't that stretch for her. That's no proof, sure, but it's not unreasonable, if she had been realy studying and training.
    The Order was also adventuring that whole time, while Julia has been like, going to school
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    Adventuring has been said to be like, a billion times more effective for leveling than studying, as per Haley’s line in OtOoPCs
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    I recognize that Conservation of Detail is Overrated, but I find the event that I am using as evidence for my theory above important enough/given enough focus to qualify for what I call Elan’s Exception, “Who wastes perfectly good foreshadowing like that?”. Also I have never correctly predicted any event in any piece of media so take this theory with a grain of salt (I call this Peelee’s Ye Old Reminder).

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    Sure, that's why I said it was no proof.

    I'm just arguing against the idea that it's unreasonable that she might have reached level 9. Also, we don't know if she didn't go in some adventurings of her own, after all, all the cool kids do that.
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    Sure, that's why I said it was no proof.

    I'm just arguing against the idea that it's unreasonable that she might have reached level 9. Also, we don't know if she didn't go in some adventurings of her own, after all, all the cool kids do that.
    Was about to say that Roy didn’t seem to go adventuring during school, but then I remembered he wasn’t a cool kid, so carry on.
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    I recognize that Conservation of Detail is Overrated, but I find the event that I am using as evidence for my theory above important enough/given enough focus to qualify for what I call Elan’s Exception, “Who wastes perfectly good foreshadowing like that?”. Also I have never correctly predicted any event in any piece of media so take this theory with a grain of salt (I call this Peelee’s Ye Old Reminder).

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    She'd probably throw less scorn on Roy for adventuring if she also dabbled in it. Plus, she just needs to make a Spellcraft check to understand Sending, so there's no real need to say she's 9th.

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    There's no rules for spell research anyway. Technically, unless there's something in an obscure sourcebook (I'm sure there is), you can only research spells when going up in level, so this would imply she's gained at least one level, but that seems like something that would very likely be ignored.

    Aside from that, you just have to get your DM to sign off on it.

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    There's no rules for spell research anyway. Technically, unless there's something in an obscure sourcebook (I'm sure there is), you can only research spells when going up in level, so this would imply she's gained at least one level, but that seems like something that would very likely be ignored.

    Aside from that, you just have to get your DM to sign off on it.
    DMG has rules for spell research which don't need to be during leveling. It takes time, and a bard or sorcerer needs to level to be able to learn his new spells, but you can do it. What it largely lacks is rules for determining the level of a new spell.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Aquillion View Post
    There's no rules for spell research anyway. Technically, unless there's something in an obscure sourcebook (I'm sure there is), you can only research spells when going up in level, so this would imply she's gained at least one level, but that seems like something that would very likely be ignored.

    Aside from that, you just have to get your DM to sign off on it.
    Since Durkon researched Masked Depth Gourd without leveling, I think we can safely assume that, in the OOTSverse, you can research new spells between level-ups.
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    It's a tiny thing, but in Hilgya's entry, her CHA score is listed before her WIS, whereas conventionally it would be the other way round. There's also a similar issue with Malack's CON and DEX.
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    Besides her precise age (and thus Elan and Nale's precise age range), there's something more we've learnt about Julia: She has at least 1 rank in Spellcraft. Spellcraft is a "Trained only" skill, and she needs to make Spellcraft checks in order to do spell research.
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    Quote Originally Posted by D.One View Post
    Besides her precise age (and thus Elan and Nale's precise age range), there's something more we've learnt about Julia: She has at least 1 rank in Spellcraft. Spellcraft is a "Trained only" skill, and she needs to make Spellcraft checks in order to do spell research.
    This may be a little too pedantic even for this thread, but do you have a reference for spell research requiring Spellcraft? I've checked the SRD pages for Spellcraft, Arcane Spells, and Complex Skill Checks, and can't see an explicit reference to this. Could Knowledge (Arcana) be an alternative skill for conducting spell research?
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