OOTS #1193 - The Discussion Thread

[Schroeswald]

I may be wrong, but Disney only bought Lucasfilm in 2012, right? So if you're specifically only talking about "Disney" Star Wars stuff, that one wouldn't count. I maybe missed the point of this argument if that's not what we're talking about.

He doesn’t count animated stuff because no one ever really counts the Clone Wars movie as a Star Wars movie.

[Peelee]

He doesn’t count animated stuff because no one ever really counts the Clone Wars movie as a Star Wars movie.

Yes, exactly.

Also I'm almost entirely joking. Anyone who's seen that movie will agree it should be forgotten.

[Fyraltari]

Yes, exactly.

Also I'm almost entirely joking. Anyone who's seen that movie will agree it should be forgotten.

And yet you remind us.

[Schroeswald]

Yes, exactly.

Also I'm almost entirely joking. Anyone who's seen that movie will agree it should be forgotten.

Movie? What movie? The Clone Wars is a well liked animated series, I don’t remember any movie set in that, they just skipped over that in episode 3. I only know of 9 Star Warses, eight numbered ones (it’s really weird they didn’t make a ninth, oh well), and Rogue One.

[D.One]

it’s really weird they didn’t make a ninth, oh well

They didn't make an eight also. Maybe you are mixing with some "A Star Wars Story" title

This new trilogy of one (Episode VII: A New New Hope) is really different.

[Peelee]

And yet you remind us.

As they say, misery loves company.

[Keltest]

As they say, misery loves company.

Just use one of the mind control devices that im sure the mods totally don't have on yourself to wipe your memory and return to your fun.

[Peelee]

Just use one of the mind control devices that im sure the mods totally don't have on yourself to wipe your memory and return to your fun.

But then when I die and meet the Gatekeeping George Lucas in the Skywalker Ranch, and I say, "Oh wow I loved Star Wars!" and he will say, "but did you even see them all?" with a disappointed look on his beard.

[Keltest]

But then when I die and meet the Gatekeeping George Lucas in the Skywalker Ranch, and I say, "Oh wow I loved Star Wars!" and he will say, "but did you even see them all?" with a disappointed look on his beard.

And you will say "yes!" and as far as you will be concerned, it will be true.

Alternatively, there is such an absolute abundance of star wars media out there that nobody will ever be able to answer yes to that question honestly.

Besides, TCW isn't a movie, its just a really long pilot episode. Lots of series do that.

And no, im not trying to rationalize ignoring it at all. Whatever are you talking about?

[Peelee]

Note to self: use mind control device on KeltestIMEAN HEY how's it going see any good Star Wars lately?

[Keltest]

Note to self: use mind control device on KeltestIMEAN HEY how's it going see any good Star Wars lately?

No Wait, yes! The Mandalorian. That's still "lately" right?

[Schroeswald]

No Wait, yes! The Mandalorian. That's still "lately" right?

It’s the latest, we haven’t had a movie since 2017 and the next season of the Clone Wars isn’t out as far as I know.

[factotum]

It’s the latest, we haven’t had a movie since 2017 and the next season of the Clone Wars isn’t out as far as I know.

Apparently it started broadcasting on Feb 21st on Disney+. Wouldn't know, don't have it and won't be justifying Disney's greed by getting it.

[Peelee]

Apparently it started broadcasting on Feb 21st on Disney+. Wouldn't know, don't have it and won't be justifying Disney's greed by getting it.

Far be it from me to suggest Disney isn't greedy, but I have a much smaller problem with a company that has an absolutely massive media library, such as Disney, making their own streaming service than a significantly smaller company with a correspondingly smaller library, such as CBS, making their own streaming service.

[Keltest]

Far be it from me to suggest Disney isn't greedy, but I have a much smaller problem with a company that has an absolutely massive media library, such as Disney, making their own streaming service than a significantly smaller company with a correspondingly smaller library, such as CBS, making their own streaming service.

Agreed. Disney is probably the only company that I can accept having a company-library-exclusive streaming service for. Maybe Warner Bros or whatever their full name is, if they aren't a part of Disney by now. I don't want to have to pay for 10 streaming services across an equal number of networks just to watch the shows I like.

[Peelee]

Maybe Warner Bros or whatever their full name is, if they aren't a part of Disney by now.

Warner Bros. is owned by Warner Media, which is owned by AT&T, which is proud to be one of America's five companies.

[Fyraltari]

Apparently it started broadcasting on Feb 21st on Disney+. Wouldn't know, don't have it and won't be justifying Disney's greed by getting it.

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[D.One]

if they aren't a part of Disney by now.

They should, if just to make me have only one place to see everything and make Marvel/DC crossovers really easy...

PS: And come on! How in the galaxy the company that owns Star Wars isn't already the owner of the one called AT&T

[Emanick]

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[Keltest]

They should, if just to make me have only one place to see everything and make Marvel/DC crossovers really easy...

PS: And come on! How in the galaxy the company that owns Star Wars isn't already the owner of the one called AT&T

Ive heard AT&T is actually considering selling DC to Marvel if this next run of comics isn't profitable. I don't even want to imagine what that would do to the various movie rights.

[factotum]

Far be it from me to suggest Disney isn't greedy, but I have a much smaller problem with a company that has an absolutely massive media library, such as Disney, making their own streaming service than a significantly smaller company with a correspondingly smaller library, such as CBS, making their own streaming service.

I have a problem with any media company doing it. They didn't set up their own TV channels back in the day*, or set up shops which were the only place you could buy their DVDs, why are they doing such things now everything is in the digital domain?

* Or at least, in cases where they *did*, they didn't restrict those channels to only playing on their own TVs! They were still happy to sell them to Sky or whoever for general broadcast.

[Keltest]

I have a problem with any media company doing it. They didn't set up their own TV channels back in the day*, or set up shops which were the only place you could buy their DVDs, why are they doing such things now everything is in the digital domain?

* Or at least, in cases where they *did*, they didn't restrict those channels to only playing on their own TVs! They were still happy to sell them to Sky or whoever for general broadcast.

Because the middleman is not mechanically necessary here. In practice, most of the networks will need one to consolidate their services into something worth actually paying for, but they can create and operate their own streaming services without Netflix's assistance. But selling Disney brand TVs or whatever would require them to create TVs to sell, and secure a means of distributing them, and basically for them to invest a lot of resources into operating the storefront on top of making the actual product. That is a lot more potential points of failure for them to manage.

[Peelee]

I have a problem with any media company doing it.

Oh, I do too. I just have a bigger problem with companies that, effectively are doing it mostly banking on a single property. Like CBS.

They didn't set up their own TV channels back in the day*, or set up shops which were the only place you could buy their DVDs, why are they doing such things now everything is in the digital domain?

* Or at least, in cases where they *did*, they didn't restrict those channels to only playing on their own TVs! They were still happy to sell them to Sky or whoever for general broadcast.

Devil's advocate: it's still not like that. it's more like selling their channel a la carte instead of bundled in with the cable companies. You can still play it on most any TV, for example.

[Jasdoif]

Besides, TCW isn't a movie, its just a really long pilot episode. Lots of series do that.

Not even that; it was multiple normal-sized episodes mashed together into a movie format, like some of marketing Frankenstein was in charge. I suppose if the goal was to get people who only watched Star Wars movies to know there was a Star Wars series, that was a way to go about it...but I'd think intentionally making a movie would have resulted in a better movie.

[MossyMeow]

I love Rebels, but in the spirit of everyone and their mothers ignoring the 2008 film The Clone Wars, I assume only live-action counts.

Call me a weirdo, but I actually really like the Clone Wars movie. Then again, Solo is my favorite of the live-action films, so maybe I’m a little bit nuts.

I also really like Resistance.

[Lheticus]

All this time, Julia didn't actually believe her brother was doing anything with genuinely serious consequences, did she?

[Doug Lampert]

All this time, Julia didn't actually believe her brother was doing anything with genuinely serious consequences, did she?

My sisters and I all have serious real world jobs, with consequences when we fail.

If one of us suddenly sprang it on the others that the world would end if we failed at our current job task, I think the other two would be really surprised by that, and probably say something like "You've got to be kidding me" rather than "Well, I mean, that's not really going to happen, right? You'll stop it."

So, to me, Julia is reacting quite well. She accepts that he's actually doing the whole world saving thing with barely a blink, and wants to help. I'd say that her reaction shows that she was already aware that his adventures were important, she just didn't realize how important. If she'd thought he was working on something trivial, she'd never have accepted that he's saving the world that quickly.

[Quizatzhaderac]

Also, let's remember how often the world almost ends in a parody D&D universe. I bet Julia's already saved the world twice while this was going on.

She just didn't appreciate that Roy is now on a dramatic quest to save the world, instead of mearly a whimsical one.

[Peelee]

My sisters and I all have serious real world jobs, with consequences when we fail.

If one of us suddenly sprang it on the others that the world would end if we failed at our current job task, I think the other two would be really surprised by that, and probably say something like "You've got to be kidding me" rather than "Well, I mean, that's not really going to happen, right? You'll stop it."

You and your sisters don't live in a world where one can literally alter reality by being really, really smart, to be fair here.

[Keltest]

You and your sisters don't live in a world where one can literally alter reality by being really, really smart, to be fair here.

I suspect a number of engineers would take issue with that.