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    Looking for suggestions to fill out a pantheon. I'm particularly interested in adding the demi-gods and divine servants.

    Vulkan
    Primary god of the Iron Empire. Forged the earth in fire according to legend. Patron of smiths and iron-workers. Association with iron is what welds the Empire so closely to him. Has had multiple affairs with mortal women who have died in childbirth and ascended to god-hood. His children are demi-gods, many have become gods in their own right. The gods are also known to take particularly meritorious mortals into their service and some have attained divinity through this path. Followers put their left hand flat in front of their body, palm up, and bring their right fist down on top of it (signifying a hammer hitting an anvil) and push the joined hands towards the people they are wishing a blessing on. Used as a form of greeting. Smiths think they’ll have a favored place in the afterlife, working in the shops of Vulkan, and most of his priests are smiths to one degree or another. “Those that swing the hammer” is a slang term to refer to the wealthy and powerful in general and priests in particular.

    Gaea
    The Earth Mother, the spirit of the earth and all that lives in it. Also giving. Vulkan’s partner in the creation of the earth, he made the earth, she gave it life by spreading her power through it. But that made her a much more diffuse, less focused, being; not so much a distinct entity as an abstract idea. She is worshipped and served by the earth spirits (forest kings, nymphs, etc…)
    Foraoise - Goddess of Forests and Fields
    Farraige - Goddess of the Sea and Storms
    Feachtas - Goddess of Strife and the Hunt/Predation
    The ‘daughters’ of Gaea. Raised up. Foraoise was a nymph. Farraige was a mermaid. Feachtas was a human. Where Kurt is the god of the science of warfare, Feachtas is the art and emotion of warfare/conflict.
    Bauer - God of Agriculture. Literally wheat given human form and raised up to divinity.

    Anna Erste
    Goddess of life and death. Her twin daughters (Friedin [peace] and Ruhe [calm]) deliver the spark of life and collect the souls of the dead. They are more like demi-gods with servants. She cares for dead sentient creatures and watches over the living.

    Ehrgezig Mia
    Thought she’d gotten lucky when Anna died and she was chosen by Vulkan. Then she died in childbirth and never got over it. Goddess of ambition, deceit, darkness, and ruthlessness. Determined to have her son take Vulkan’s place.
    Kurt
    Mia’s son by Vulkan is the god of war (military science) and loyalty. Not above taking advantage of his mother’s schemes, but will not participate in them.
    Grausam
    Mia’s second son (no one knows who the father is). Set out to become a god and became a monster instead. Known as the father of monsters. Savage, vile, and ruthless. Entirely self-interested. Known to consort with demons.

    Weise Amelie
    Goddess of wisdom and learning. Patron of the arts. Her two blind daughters are the goddesses of justice and vengeance.
    Lina
    Goddess of justice and commerce.
    Lena
    Goddess of vengance.
    Torheit
    Demi-God of foolishness, alcohol, music, inspiration. The son of Amelie and Schoner. Known to walk amongst mortals, particularly at parties.

    Strahlend Hanna
    Goddess of Beauty and Light. Her son
    Schoner (handsome/pretty)
    God of Lust.
    Her daughter
    Konstante (constant)
    Goddess of Love.

    Al'Ha'Alara
    The cursed. The unwilling goddess. The spirit of the elven mage who brought the elves to this world along with their orcish slaves. The deep-seated hatred of the orcs for her has unwillingly raised her to divinity when she would prefer to find peace by becoming one with the universe. Orcs believe she brings misfortune to them and those who can defy her by standing up to hardship and misfortune are respected. Unlucky orcs have an enhanced standing in orcish society. She tries to remain unengaged and disassociate from the world, but the power of orcish belief chains her to the world. She knows she shouldn't but she can't stop herself from lashing out at orcs, in general and in particular. Would love to see all orcs dead so she can rest and will lend her power towards these ends. Is slowly going insane.

    Krkt't
    The Goblin Lord. Can be found in all realities. While not particularly powerful in any one reality his presence in all of them means he may be the most powerful god of all if he chose to concentrate his power (or if he is able to do so). Brings goblins everywhere. He is the survivor, enduring all hardships and emerging alive at the end.

    Tiamat
    Mother Tiamat led her children to this world but has not been particularly helpful to them. She exhorts them to conquer the world to increase her power. Inherently selfish but capable of working cooperatively when it suits her desires. Every dragon longs to gain enough power and favor to rise to divinity and work with Mother Tiamat, but she is quite comfortable sitting alone on her throne.

    The Purple Lord
    A devil worshiped by humans and his tiefling offspring. He promises life after death, serving him in his realm, and assistance in the current life. Extremely honest but rarely tells the whole truth. His cult is spreading and his power is growing. He seeks to alter this world so he can more readily draw upon its power to increase his standing in his reality. Extremely lawful and hierarchical. His church is marked by extensive group worship practices, prosperity gospel, and internal policing (by mind readers) to help ensure followers think properly.
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    It looks like a random, mismatched collection of things. You've got a Greek god and goddess, some Swedish woman, some German women, etc. I think the best thing to do would be to just start over. Pantheons are worshiped by one culture, so they should sound like they're all from the same place. Notice how all the Greek gods have Greek names? It would be weird to have a setting based on classical Greece with a god of war named Ares and a god of the underworld named Hades, but a sun goddess named Amaterasu and a god of wine named Betrunkener Johan aka Drinky Joe.
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    I don't necessarily think all the deities have to have the same feel, but I would rename the gods that match real-world deities (just for originality's sake).

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    I think it’s about as full as you need - there are 21 of them! It is important to keep in mind that players will usually only recall a handful, even if they are fully invested in your world building. It is hard to keep that many names and domains straight.

    To make doing so easier, I’d recommend altering some of the very-similar names to make them more distinct, like Lina/Lena (those will sound near-identical when said out loud) and Foraoise/Farraise/Feachtas.
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    Thanks for the feedback. To address some of the suggestions and questions I'll add some lore:

    This reality was created by Vulkan and Gaea. He forged the world from fire, she gave it life by infusing it with her power, in the process becoming a much more diffuse entity. Vulkan has had multiple affairs with mortal women. These invariably end with the women dying in childbirth, but they typically rise to divinity in the process. Their children are demi-gods, many of whom rise to fully-fledged divinity themselves. Other divinities are inhabitants of this reality raised up. Gaea is particularly fond of this.

    The members of this portion of the pantheon have many names and I've provided the names used by the dominant human culture in the area I'm focusing on.

    The other divinities have come to this reality from outside (Tiamat, Krkt't, The Purple Lord) or been created in this reality outside of the conventional pantheon (Al'Ha'Alara).

    There are additional outside powers seeking entrance to this reality (divine, infernal, abyssal, and etc...) as well as those within this reality seeking the power to ascend to divinity.

    This is consistent with the cosmology of my setting.

    I'm looking to add the divine servants the listed gods might have as well as possible demi-gods and failed divinities that went bad.

    Quote Originally Posted by Sam113097 View Post
    I think it’s about as full as you need - there are 21 of them! It is important to keep in mind that players will usually only recall a handful, even if they are fully invested in your world building. It is hard to keep that many names and domains straight.

    To make doing so easier, I’d recommend altering some of the very-similar names to make them more distinct, like Lina/Lena (those will sound near-identical when said out loud) and Foraoise/Farraise/Feachtas.
    Good point about player recall. I don't see using most of these in day to day game play but I like to build the bones of systems that work. One or two sentences and a coherent system are usually all that I need, but I like to have them. And the names were meant to be a little confusing in the case of Lina/Lena (drawing attention to the fine line between justice and vengance). In the case of the other three it's because they nearly form a tripartite goddess. So the confusion is a bonus to me. But I'm under no illusion that most of this will mean anything at all to the players who are likely to nickname them to make them easier to remember.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Xuc Xac View Post
    It looks like a random, mismatched collection of things. You've got a Greek god and goddess, some Swedish woman, some German women, etc. I think the best thing to do would be to just start over. Pantheons are worshiped by one culture, so they should sound like they're all from the same place. Notice how all the Greek gods have Greek names? It would be weird to have a setting based on classical Greece with a god of war named Ares and a god of the underworld named Hades, but a sun goddess named Amaterasu and a god of wine named Betrunkener Johan aka Drinky Joe.
    This sounds like you're confusing the names of the gods with the deity the names are supposed to refer to.

    The pantheon is just whichever gods get worshiped in a particular area, rather than being tied to a particular culture. Worship of Zeus spread to a bunch of cultures after the conquests of Alexander, and the Roman empire saw multiple gods spread into other cultures, with Isis spreading as far as Britain; This doesn't mean London adopted an Egyptian culture.

    What should maybe happen is that some of the gods should have minor changes between different areas, as with the differences between roman and Greek gods, or the various Egyptian gods who become hybridized with Ra. But I think this goes into more detail than it's reasonable to push onto a single table.

    What might be a more reasonable complaint (than one name per diety) is that several of the gods are just labeled the "god of X," instead of having a noticeable personality. Usually if a god is tied to something specific, it's either because that phenomenon has been manifested, invented, or controlled by that deity.

    Quote Originally Posted by jjordan View Post
    I'm looking to add the divine servants the listed gods might have as well as possible demi-gods and failed divinities that went bad.
    I'd add an orcish demigod known for beating Al'Ha'Alara at something.

    I'm also not seeing much in the way of deities tied to celebrations. You could maybe have spring and harvest festivals tied to Foraoise and Gaea and craftsmanship competitions tied to Vulkan and Weise Amelie.

    Divine Servants:
    • Whoever Collects materials for Vulkan: a god of mines is likely to have high status, given the rank of the god of the forge.
    • The physical manifestation or rider of the sun (likely either as a forge tied to Vulcan or light tied to Strahlend Hanna)
    • An equivalent to Echidna, or otherwise explain where Grausam's children come from
    • Whoever handles music
    • Whoever handles medicine
    • Whoever handles alcohol
    • the common name for local deities of various bodies of fresh water
    • God of safe travel
    • God of commerce
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    Quote Originally Posted by sandmote View Post
    I'd add an orcish demigod known for beating Al'Ha'Alara at something.
    Ok, that's cool and intriguing. Thank you.

    Quote Originally Posted by sandmote View Post
    I'm also not seeing much in the way of deities tied to celebrations. You could maybe have spring and harvest festivals tied to Foraoise and Gaea and craftsmanship competitions tied to Vulkan and Weise Amelie.
    I've got those, I just didn't add them to the list.

    Quote Originally Posted by sandmote View Post
    Divine Servants:
    • Whoever Collects materials for Vulkan: a god of mines is likely to have high status, given the rank of the god of the forge.
    • The physical manifestation or rider of the sun (likely either as a forge tied to Vulcan or light tied to Strahlend Hanna)
    • An equivalent to Echidna, or otherwise explain where Grausam's children come from
    • Whoever handles music
    • Whoever handles medicine
    • Whoever handles alcohol
    • the common name for local deities of various bodies of fresh water
    • God of safe travel
    • God of commerce
    Materials collector is another good one. That opens up some cool opportunities. I've already got time spent working the bellows as an act of devotion and/or penance in my lore and the smiths believe they're going to be the assistants.

    I didn't put a sun god in and I'm still conflicted about that.

    Grausam's children are the results of his mating with monsters and/or the creations of his followers. He's the corrupted/perverted mirror of Vulkan in this regard. Medicine, Alcohol, Music, and Commerce are good points. I'll have to slot them in.

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    A couple things pop out.
    Agriculture. This was often a different domain than "nature" in many pantheons for good reason. Also to meta bit questions of nature vs civilization at the boundaries of the two....may be combined with resource collections as "shaper/user of nature" I guess.

    if in DnD like setting questions of arcane magic come up. There doesn't have to be a "god of magic" but understanding the relationship between arcane and divine magics is important.

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    Quote Originally Posted by sandmote View Post
    This sounds like you're confusing the names of the gods with the deity the names are supposed to refer to.

    The pantheon is just whichever gods get worshiped in a particular area, rather than being tied to a particular culture. Worship of Zeus spread to a bunch of cultures after the conquests of Alexander, and the Roman empire saw multiple gods spread into other cultures, with Isis spreading as far as Britain; This doesn't mean London adopted an Egyptian culture.
    Do you mean the Egyptian goddess, Eset? Funny how everything in the Roman empire was given a Latin name. That's my point. A pantheon is a group of gods worshiped together by the same worshipers. They should have names that sound like they go together and not a random mixture of languages (unless the worshipers all speak several languages).
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    One thing you could do would be to take one of the gods' domains and split it into a variety of subattributes, each with their own demigod.

    Ex. Kurt covers military tactics and strategy, but he has three captains: NAME1, covering intrigue, deception, and scouting, NAME2, covering terrain, fortification, and defense, and NAME3, covering morale and the proper use of adventurers.

    Quote Originally Posted by Xuc Xac View Post
    Do you mean the Egyptian goddess, Eset? Funny how everything in the Roman empire was given a Latin name. That's my point. A pantheon is a group of gods worshiped together by the same worshipers. They should have names that sound like they go together and not a random mixture of languages (unless the worshipers all speak several languages).
    Would it be correct to say that your primary issue is with the names and disparate linguistics of the gods, rather than their other attributes?
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    Quote Originally Posted by sktarq View Post
    A couple things pop out.
    Agriculture. This was often a different domain than "nature" in many pantheons for good reason. Also to meta bit questions of nature vs civilization at the boundaries of the two....may be combined with resource collections as "shaper/user of nature" I guess.

    if in DnD like setting questions of arcane magic come up. There doesn't have to be a "god of magic" but understanding the relationship between arcane and divine magics is important.
    I've penciled in Bauer for agriculture but I'm not sure if that's stepping into the domain of Foraoise. It's a really good point, though, and I definitely need to think it through.

    I'm not doing a god of magic because I think it needlessly blurs the line between arcane and divine magic. The role of demigods of magic will be played by liches and other powerful beings who have maintained a semblance of life through the perversion of arcane magic.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Xuc Xac View Post
    Do you mean the Egyptian goddess, Eset? Funny how everything in the Roman empire was given a Latin name. That's my point. A pantheon is a group of gods worshiped together by the same worshipers. They should have names that sound like they go together and not a random mixture of languages (unless the worshipers all speak several languages).
    I understand the point, which is a very good point, but I've rejected it because my setting doesn't have multiple pantheons, it's got a single pantheon with some add-ons. Vulkan and Gaea are always Vulkan and Gaea but the other divinities descended from them are known by different names in different locations. There are also some demi-gods that show up in some locales and are unknown in others. And the emphasis of worship differs from place to place.

    Das Eisenreich is very closely tied to Vulkan because of his association with iron, their enormous iron mines, and the usefulness of iron in their generations long war with the elves. In the Kingdom of Cerus Vulkan was largely pushed aside by the conquest of that territory by settlers from the Lawless Isles who worship Foraoise, Farraige, and Feachtas (who are such minor aspects of Gaea in Das Eisenreich that they barely merit a mention). And in recent times the rise of The Purple Lord's Church of Discipline has eclipsed all other gods in Cerus, leading to significant political strife. The elves worship no gods but that hasn't stopped a few groups from making bargains with other-worldly powers, usually to the detriment of the elves. In the North Gaea plays a larger role with Vulkan cast as her consort. On the Eastern Continent a few of the demi-gods actively rule city-states.

    No one worships Al'Ha'Alara, even mentioning her name can bring bad luck. But the belief of the orcs that she has remained to torture them after her death has trapped her. Other names are used to refer to her: The Cursed Goddess, the Undying One, the Unwilling, but no one has given her a proper name.

    Krkt't is worshipped by goblins and has attracted a few human followers, but goblins wouldn't think of renaming him since he's one of the few anchors of their civilization and his human followers tend to be rejecting the other gods and make a point of using his goblin name.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Xuc Xac View Post
    Do you mean the Egyptian goddess, Eset? Funny how everything in the Roman empire was given a Latin name. That's my point. A pantheon is a group of gods worshiped together by the same worshipers. They should have names that sound like they go together and not a random mixture of languages (unless the worshipers all speak several languages).
    For the local names of the deities, sure. For their overall names in the pantheons I consider it drastically more important to be able to track which god you're talking about. When you've got Eset, Aset, Isis, Isidis, and sixty other names it's hard to keep clear where and how a particular deity is worshiped.

    Sort of the same way e talk about "medieval France," when there was really only the crown lands of the ruling capet at a given time.

    Quote Originally Posted by jjordan View Post
    No one worships Al'Ha'Alara, even mentioning her name can bring bad luck. But the belief of the orcs that she has remained to torture them after her death has trapped her. Other names are used to refer to her: The Cursed Goddess, the Undying One, the Unwilling, but no one has given her a proper name.
    I'm not sure how this would really play out based on your description. On one hand, someone unable to control their rage while trying to lose divinity is going to want to punish active worship. On the other hand, she'll likely help someone who requests her aid against orcs, so she'll likely still get worship from anyone requesting that.

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    Materials collector is another good one. That opens up some cool opportunities. I've already got time spent working the bellows as an act of devotion and/or penance in my lore and the smiths believe they're going to be the assistants.

    I didn't put a sun god in and I'm still conflicted about that.

    Grausam's children are the results of his mating with monsters and/or the creations of his followers. He's the corrupted/perverted mirror of Vulkan in this regard. Medicine, Alcohol, Music, and Commerce are good points. I'll have to slot them in.
    I'm going to be more specific and suggest one minor deity of mining and quarrying, who is mostly worshiped in the same areas Vulkan is. If being sent to the mines is a common punishment, perhaps he is involved with Lena in some manner.

    Based on your description smelting is solidly within Vulkan's domain though, so there goes my other idea.

    If you have an origin story for the sun, no sun god is probably fine. If you don't already have one, perhaps Vulkan literally crafted the sun before Gaea infused it with her power? With a sort of construct-son sun-non-god, you can explain the sun doesn't involve itself in the world and isn't treated as a deity as a result.

    Bauer feels more specific as a god of wheat. Gaea might include agriculture in general, with different materials being spread between the other deities.
    • Weise Amelie: Beekeeping
    • Foraoise: Herbalism, Wood
    • Kurt: food storage (stemming from reserves used in case of a siege)
    • Strahlend Hanna: Fruits, particularly ones considered to look or smell good

    I think that leaves most animals, grains, lentils and vegetables. Which can probably be kept directly with Gaea.
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    Quote Originally Posted by sandmote View Post
    For the local names of the deities, sure. For their overall names in the pantheons I consider it drastically more important to be able to track which god you're talking about. When you've got Eset, Aset, Isis, Isidis, and sixty other names it's hard to keep clear where and how a particular deity is worshiped.
    I'm all in favor of picking one name for each god, but why shouldn't those names all come from one language? This is for a game, correct? Which language are the PCs expected to use? Give all the gods names in that language so it looks like a real pantheon that the PCs should care about and not a random bunch of gods whose names were pulled from a hat.

    If it's the Roman empire and the PCs all speak vulgate Latin as their "Common tongue", then use the Latin names for all the gods, even the ones that originated outside of the empire. You don't have to use all the "local names" from all over the world, just use the one local name from the PCs' locality. Isis was known as Eset in Egypt, but if the PCs are Latin speakers in Britannia then just call her Isis and leave "Eset" in a footnote about the cult of "Isis in Aegyptus" just in case the PCs ever need to travel there.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Xuc Xac View Post
    I'm all in favor of picking one name for each god, but why shouldn't those names all come from one language? This is for a game, correct? Which language are the PCs expected to use? Give all the gods names in that language so it looks like a real pantheon that the PCs should care about and not a random bunch of gods whose names were pulled from a hat.

    If it's the Roman empire and the PCs all speak vulgate Latin as their "Common tongue", then use the Latin names for all the gods, even the ones that originated outside of the empire. You don't have to use all the "local names" from all over the world, just use the one local name from the PCs' locality. Isis was known as Eset in Egypt, but if the PCs are Latin speakers in Britannia then just call her Isis and leave "Eset" in a footnote about the cult of "Isis in Aegyptus" just in case the PCs ever need to travel there.
    I agree! I think that having alternate names for deities in different languages or cultures of a setting can be an interesting detail. However, what we've got here is a mix of Latin, Greek, Babylonian, vaguely fantastic-sounding, and especially germanic god names in the same pantheon. It stands to reason that a Germanic "common tongue" will give all of its gods German-sounding names. For example, perhaps Al'Ha'Alara is the god's true name, or name in another language, but it would make sense if it had a more common name that came from the germanic-sounding "common tongue" like the rest of the gods.
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