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Baby deities?
What colour quidity would a theoretic god/goddess have if the parent deities where different patheons?
I would assume 0% chance at a new colour, but they could they possibly have both parent colours?
Or only one or the other?I should get a Signature
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2020-03-13, 05:11 PM (ISO 8601)
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It’s also possible they are incapable of having children and any family relation comes from mortal belief.
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Do we even know if the gods can procreate at all?
The only reason why Loki is Hel's father might be because mortals believed so a few worlds back and that part stuck.
Sure, Thor knocked up that fertility goddess, but who says that will result in a baby god?
The children could be devas or archons, or maybe she just cycles through the stages of pregnancy without ever giving birth to a actual child.
Horrifying thought that one..."If it lives it can be killed.
If it is dead it can be eaten."
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That might just be part of her nature as a fertility goddess.
Like Hel's appearance reflecting her being a death goddesses.
It doesn't mean other deities can get pregnant.
Or that it will result in a child, especially a divine one, for that matter.
Maybe it just means the next harvest in whatever corner of the world she's responsible for will be more bountiful than it would be otherwise."If it lives it can be killed.
If it is dead it can be eaten."
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Now you have left me wondering if one of the Big Reveals for the last book will be that The Dark One is not really a new ascended God out of goblinoid belief, but the secret child of an Eastern Deity and a Southern one. Red+Blue = Purple.
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my guess is that the new god would just have one of the two existing colours and not the other.
My guess is that this happens in one of three ways:
1. The baby is always of the Mother's pantheon with no exceptions, though it may bare some physical characteristics of it's father / father's pantheon, such as having four arms if one of the northern goddesses shacked up with that four-armed western god.
2. The baby just has an outright 50/50 chance of being either pantheon, it's all due to randomness.
or 3. Some unseen supernatural force such as fate or destiny preemptively decides, dictates, or discovers which pantheon the child belongs too and assigns it accordingly. With this in mind, it may even be possible for a western and a northern god to give birth to a southern god.
It could theoretically also be a choice or in some way shaped by the child, they may grow up favoring or being more like one pantheon then another and thus gradually become a member of that pantheon over time. but i feel like in that case, the child would have had to been born mortal and ascend at a later time, as i doubt it's possible for even a child god to exist with no pantheon / quiddity.
Re: Thor and the Fertility goddess: It's entirely possible the child won't be a god at all. She may give birth to a hero like Hercules or Achilles, or even a monster like a Cyclops or something. Gods have been known to birth mortals and monsters before.Last edited by Draconi Redfir; 2020-03-13 at 10:38 PM.
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An inter-pantheon couple wouldn't work. First time they have an argument they'd create a snarl.
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If they made a snarl it would only be a two colourd quitity snarl and easily handled. The four colours is what make the main snarl so dangerous.
But I could see the Gods making a pact not to copulate around for safety.
On the third hand a significantly powerful/famous mortal could be deified by multiple sources, and that could cause all sorts of problems.
What if in the north Awesome McCoolperson is worshiped as a benevolent dictator who saved toe world, but the west sees them as an evil tyrant who conquered and destroyed. Both sides are pumping out belief causing split personality deity.I should get a Signature
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Yes but it would have time to kill its ‘parents’ if two-coulured snarls weren’t a problem, Thor could pop up into the Dark One’s domain to explain the situation.
What if in the north Awesome McCoolperson is worshiped as a benevolent dictator who saved toe world, but the west sees them as an evil tyrant who conquered and destroyed. Both sides are pumping out belief causing split personality deity.
Also I doubt being seen as an evil tyrant would grant deification on its own, as that does not grant dedication (ain’t nobody gonna devote themselves to someone they hate) but the belief that goes with that might color the resulting god to make them more hateful.
Hey, wait a minute, maybe that happened to the Dark One!Forum Wisdom
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Only if they fought using the Strands of Reality, according to Shojo. I'm sure they could do shouting, melting each others' emissaries, and maybe even whacking the other with a hammer without causing snarls.
"Besides, you know the saying: Kill one, and you are a murderer. Kill millions, and you are a conqueror. Kill them all, and you are a god." -- Fishman
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No, they could make snarls, that’s why Loki sent those emissaries, if they got into a disagreement they could make a new two-color snarl. Thor could whack Surtur with a hammer because he’s a Northern Demigod, and thus fighting and arguments won’t cause Snarls (or at least not ones they couldn’t just wave away).
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"Besides, you know the saying: Kill one, and you are a murderer. Kill millions, and you are a conqueror. Kill them all, and you are a god." -- Fishman
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Because we've seen Gods argue, even get REALLY MAD without causing Snarls, even one color ones that are easily dismissed. Also to have a Snarl it would have to be a snarl OF something. You can't just snarl up words or something. You have to have thread to make the Snarl.
The reason they leave off the "if he were to attack me with threads of reality" from explaining every time they talk about how a fight could make a Snarl is explained here. We the readers know about it, everyone involved knows about it, so it's a waste of time to reiterate it. Unless maybe it's going to be important to the plot later, which given that this whole thread is just speculation outside of the plot, I'm guessing it won't be."Besides, you know the saying: Kill one, and you are a murderer. Kill millions, and you are a conqueror. Kill them all, and you are a god." -- Fishman
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I KNOW. My point was what makes Thor arguing with Sutur or Hel different than arguing with say Tiamat? Why would two color arguments automatically make Snarls while one color ones don't? Schroeswald suggests that they make one-color snarl that the other could banish,
(Emphasis mine)
But we've seen that ordinary yelling and threatening, even if really mad didn't do that. So it must take something more. Thus if two deities from different pantheons were having a lover's spat, as long as they left to their respective realms before things got so heated they create a snarl, normal amounts of arguing and quarrelling should be fine (from Snarls at least).
(Also we saw Thor attack the Dark One before the other three intervened, so again just fighting wasn't enough to magic Snarls into existence. He could attack the Dark One before the Dark One found out about the Threads and how to make Snarls.)Last edited by The MunchKING; 2020-03-14 at 12:36 PM.
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Thor said that one-essence creations the gods can just waive away with but a thought.
But how heated is too heated? The gods don't know, and the only way to find out would be to get into an argulent heated enough for a snarl to spawn, and it would immediately kill its creators, so the gods are being extremely careful. That's why the have the Godsmoots reather than meeting all at once.
Per Word of God, the Dark One was out of godly magic at that pooint:
So Thor probably figured hhe could kill him real quick without it being too dangerous. He clearly was too furious to think things through at that moment, anyway, else he would have noticed the purple aura.Last edited by Fyraltari; 2020-03-14 at 02:09 PM.
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I reckon 0% at a new colour, or Thor would have known this as a possibility and the gods would have at some point used this to fix the Snarl issue some time ago. Probably seal it via 5 colors. They've had (to our perception) nigh-infinite worlds to try solutions in, so I reckon they'd know if this could work.
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That is with new colors combining. I'm just assuming each color can only contribute uniquely. So Red and Blue make Purple, Red and Yellow make Orange, Blue and Yellow make Green.
Then Purple and Yellow make Schmurple, Orange and Blue make Blorange, and Green and Red make Gred.
So Red, Blue, Yellow, Purple, Orange, Green, Schmurple, Blorange, and Gred make 9.
Dragons are not colorblind they have even more cones and see colors better YOU ARE THE ONE WHO CAN'T SEE COLORS RIGHT I SAY
Graph theory is fun.Last edited by Peelee; 2020-03-21 at 11:44 PM.
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To be fair, it's not "Yellow" and "Blue" you're mixing, it's "Quiddity we perceive as a yellow aura" and "quiddity we perceive as a blue aura" you're mixing together. There's no reason it would have to conform to our standard conception of color mixing, additive or subtractive, if it's possible to do at all.
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