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    Quote Originally Posted by P.LOC View Post
    In old D&D days (Mystara, I miss you!), a son of a god was a mere mortal, and was neither favoured in reaching immortality. I suspect OOTSworld may be something similar, if only because it's a simpler solution.
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    Quote Originally Posted by RatElemental View Post
    To be fair, it's not "Yellow" and "Blue" you're mixing, it's "Quiddity we perceive as a yellow aura" and "quiddity we perceive as a blue aura" you're mixing together. There's no reason it would have to conform to our standard conception of color mixing, additive or subtractive, if it's possible to do at all.
    I know (and usually in st the forefront of the "quiddity is not color" argument), but that was really fun.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Kantaki View Post
    You know, that would be a awesome background for a Sorceror and/or Favored Soul.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Kantaki View Post
    You know, that would be a awesome background for a Sorceror and/or Favored Soul.
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    Isn’t that basically the plot of the Percy Jackson books?
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    Yes - but despite their limited lifespans, Percy Jackson & co. are not called mortals but demigods.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Fyraltari View Post
    Yes but it would have time to kill its ‘parents’ if two-coulured snarls weren’t a problem, Thor could pop up into the Dark One’s domain to explain the situation.



    Ascension from mortal worship alone is so difficult that only TDO managed in however-many-worlds-it-has-been so the odds of single mortal managing that twice seem unlikely.

    Also I doubt being seen as an evil tyrant would grant deification on its own, as that does not grant dedication (ain’t nobody gonna devote themselves to someone they hate) but the belief that goes with that might color the resulting god to make them more hateful.

    Hey, wait a minute, maybe that happened to the Dark One!
    WAIT! JEEZ THAT MAKES SENSE. Maybe the red quiddity see him as a saviour, and the blue quiddity seem him as a violent dictator? Like seriously, that could be it!
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    Quote Originally Posted by hamishspence View Post
    Yes - but despite their limited lifespans, Percy Jackson & co. are not called mortals but demigods.
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    Quote Originally Posted by urbanwolf View Post
    We saw that Thor got a unnamed fertility goddess pregnant.
    You're assuming the result of that gag pairing needs to be another deity, when it could just be an archangel/solar or something. As a fertility goddess, I would assume she gets pregnant with some regularity, at least compared to other gods. Pantheons and quiddity need not come into it at all.
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    Surely Baby Shark has received enough worship to ascend by now?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Kantaki View Post
    You know, that would be a awesome background for a Sorceror and/or Favored Soul.
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    There's this rpg called Scion, that basically works like this.

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    If they made a snarl it would only be a two colourd quitity snarl and easily handled. The four colours is what make the main snarl so dangerous.
    But what if they need the third quiddity to handle the two quiddity snarl? And what happens if they start to disagree on how to do it...

    My first thought was that the offspring themselves could potentially be a snarl - working together the deities could sculpt how their quiddities interact appropriately to achieve what they had planned without causing problems, but something more emotional would probably get a lot more random and potentially tangled up.

    Another alternative is rather than mixing and making a new quiddity, the offspring gets both but at significantly lower power, and/or anything they create has a chance of snarling.

    Lineal inheritance from one side or the other, and mortal/non-pantheon (after all, how many worshippers would an deific offspring have, at least in the short-medium term) may well be the two best cases.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Quizatzhaderac View Post
    Surely Baby Shark has received enough worship to ascend by now?
    Clearly there's a better case of this system working

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    i say that they did have babies, but not any more. thor is the son of odin, Right? so he must have been a baby at some point. Though the gods have an accelerated growth process, they still were babies.

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    plus a lot of things should be a god based on how many people worship them, but shouldn't be. For instance, fortnite should have passed zeus by now.

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    plus a lot of things should be a god based on how many people worship them, but shouldn't be. For instance, fortnite should have passed zeus by now.

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    and fortnite is overated

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    Quote Originally Posted by belakarhafling View Post
    plus a lot of things should be a god based on how many people worship them, but shouldn't be. For instance, fortnite should have passed zeus by now.
    Fortnite doesn't exist in Stickworld, and nobody except the other gods even know about Zeus.
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    Two gods of different quiddities might well be capable of creating dual quiddity offspring by having sex, if they can get that far into a relationship without creating any new snarls. But dual quiddity is not the same as a new quiddity. Humans are three quiddity beings, created by gods from three different pantheons working together. They just use a different method than sex.
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    Fortnite doesn't exist in Stickworld
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    Quote Originally Posted by hroþila View Post
    This is a bold statement.
    I'm a bold guy.

    But fair. I'll add "that we know of."
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    Fortnite doesn't exist in Stickworld
    Give it a couple weeks.
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    I can’t see any reason two gods from different pantheons couldn’t get together and create a sweet little bouncing bundle of joy. Sure, they probably don’t do it often, but they’re gods and I bet they get bored sometimes. So why not?

    But everything else ever created in the universe (with the exception of TDO) hasn't had a new quiddity. Instead it simply had multiple quiddities tied together.

    Even the snarl itself, which is the child of every god, isn’t a new colors. it is simply the four colors bound together in one entity.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Peelee View Post
    I'm a bold guy.

    But fair. I'll add "that we know of."
    I mean, one year ago I would have confidently said that fortnite didn’t exist within Star Wars and yet.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Fyraltari View Post
    I mean, one year ago I would have confidently said that fortnite didn’t exist within Star Wars and yet.
    Technically it's Star Wars that exists within Fortnite.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Peelee View Post
    Fortnite doesn't exist in Stickworld, and nobody except the other gods even know about Zeus.
    Welllll... nobody but the gods and anyone who knows the Crayon story, anyway. Shojo explicitly knew about Zeus for instance (which means the Scribble must have known), and now the Order does too.

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    I can’t see any reason two gods from different pantheons couldn’t get together and create a sweet little bouncing bundle of joy. Sure, they probably don’t do it often, but they’re gods and I bet they get bored sometimes. So why not?
    There's a pretty good reason why not - without sufficient worship, that new god won't have the juice to survive the Long Dormancy. Making new life only for it to starve to death seems outside of quite a few portfolios.

    At the risk of repeating myself though - we have no way of concluding that the only offspring a Stickverse god is capable of producing is another god.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Psyren View Post
    Welllll... nobody but the gods and anyone who knows the Crayon story, anyway. Shojo explicitly knew about Zeus for instance (which means the Scribble must have known), and now the Order does too.
    True; they Scribblers probably found out via one of their patron gods, similar to how Minrah learned it.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Peelee View Post
    True; they Scribblers probably found out via one of their patron gods, similar to how Minrah learned it.
    Agreed - though they probably had to learn about the Snarl on their own first before any associated deities could lift the gag order around any Snarl-connected topics.

    I'm guessing the Twelve had something to do with telling Soon, as he was the only one in the Scribble explicitly tied to a deity.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Psyren View Post
    Agreed - though they probably had to learn about the Snarl on their own first before any associated deities could lift the gag order around any Snarl-connected topics.
    Given our understanding of the gods' agreement to not reveal the Sanrl's to mortals, the last two panels are more than enough.
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    Quote Originally Posted by urbanwolf View Post
    On the third hand a significantly powerful/famous mortal could be deified by multiple sources, and that could cause all sorts of problems.

    What if in the north Awesome McCoolperson is worshiped as a benevolent dictator who saved toe world, but the west sees them as an evil tyrant who conquered and destroyed. Both sides are pumping out belief causing split personality deity.
    You'd expect this sort of thing even for single-pantheon deities. Minor but undeniable example: Thor is worshiped by both dwarves (who see him as a tree-hater) and northern humans (who think he's chill with trees).


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    Fortnite doesn't exist in Stickworld...
    Which is weird. All sorts of fantasy stories measure time in fortnights every once in a while, and nobody's done so here? I guess it's because of the modern language used by...why are you looking at me like that?



    Also, possibly worth pointing out: According to the 5e Monster Manual, the children of gods are Empyreans. Which have the (titan) subtype, so Zeus and Kronos are rolling in their graves, but it's about as good of proof as we're likely to get that D&D gods produce offspring that aren't gods.

    In OotS terms, I'm guessing that same-pantheon pairings might produce new gods (since their kids would only have one quiddity), but cross-pantheon children would have two quiddities, and hence be nondeific...though also not quite mortal, since mortals have all three quiddities.
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    True; they Scribblers probably found out via one of their patron gods, similar to how Minrah learned it.
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