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Re: OOTS #1195 - The Discussion Thread
Uhhh... oui?
New theory: The Dark One was presented as quite reasonable while alive, and much less so after deification (with reason, but still). Most goblinoids that we have seen are much more aggressively anti-human that TDO was while alive. We also know that belief shapes gods. Maybe some part of why he is less amenable is due to this, and if Redcloak harnesses his status as high priest and founder of Gobbotopia to change the goblinoid perception of him?Cuthalion's art is the prettiest art of all the art. Like my avatar.
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Re: OOTS #1195 - The Discussion Thread
The same goes for his tendency to ignore other people’s problems..
there's a solid chance that's also going to be MITD's reveal scene.
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Re: OOTS #1195 - The Discussion Thread
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New theory: The Dark One was presented as quite reasonable while alive, and much less so after deification (with reason, but still). Most goblinoids that we have seen are much more aggressively anti-human that TDO was while alive. We also know that belief shapes gods. Maybe some part of why he is less amenable is due to this, and if Redcloak harnesses his status as high priest and founder of Gobbotopia to change the goblinoid perception of him?Forum Wisdom
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Re: OOTS #1195 - The Discussion Thread
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Re: OOTS #1195 - The Discussion Thread
Apatheists don't care what the gods think, but Atheists don't believe they are gods at all. They are, after all, merely really powerful wizards that figured out how to crowd source their magic. Fine line, I'll grant you, but I stand by my statement that it's one think to acknowledge gods exist, but give no damns about what they think, and another to label them not-gods.
Same difference between those who ignore the king's law because they can't be bothered to follow it, and those who declare that there is no such thing as a king, just a guy with a metal hat who only gets to rule because his father wore a metal hat before him [bonus Galavant reference].
OK, but where would he find any eels at this time of night?
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2020-03-16, 10:34 AM (ISO 8601)
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Re: OOTS #1195 - The Discussion Thread
Yes, yes you did.
Not really. {scrubbed} That's a modern fantasy/gaming idea come up with by people who want a reason for the gods to demand worship and aren't willing to accept, "Because that's what powerful people do, tell everyone else to bow down and ask what they should do and pray for mercy and forgiveness for their transgressions."
In D&D land, and in many modern fantasy stories, that it what gods do. But that can't be the definition, {scrubbed}. A creator god for example must, of necessity, have had a lot of power prior to there being any worshippers.Last edited by Peelee; 2020-03-16 at 10:42 AM.
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Well. I, uh...I expected better from Roy than that. He's always been a "big picture" kind of man. But here he is being selfish and thinking small. If anything, this is out of character due to the self-sacrificing nature we've seen him display in the past. Lawful Good and all that.
He doesn't have the full story that Durkon got. He's not aware that all of Creation is in peril. It's the Dunning-Krueger effect in action. He's too incompetent on this issue to even be aware that he's incompetent. The gods have bigger fish to fry, like finding a way to put a stop to the Snarl forever. His anti-authoritarianism is misplaced, though I get the idea that's his Daddy issues talking. He's willing to screw over everyone so that he can accomplish his short-term objectives. Oh well, it's not the first time he's strayed from the path. We can only hope that he finds the way back before the end.
But the Oracle, who has never been wrong, has said Elan will get a happy ending, so we don't have to worry about the world being destroyed.Last edited by Finagle; 2020-03-16 at 10:45 AM.
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2020-03-16, 10:37 AM (ISO 8601)
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Re: OOTS #1195 - The Discussion Thread
I did like that in Forgotten Realms, this was a consequence of the actual creator deity just tired that his god-children where behaving like children rather than gods. "You use your worshipers as playthings? Well, you better quit it, because now you only get the power they give you."
I didn't much enjoy the novels, but as a starting concept, I did like it.
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Re: OOTS #1195 - The Discussion Thread
I'm just wondering what is Durkon's point of view on this matter
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Re: OOTS #1195 - The Discussion Thread
But they don't label them "not-gods". They just get rid of the philosophical baggage. The Greenhilts keep calling them gods and acknowledge their existence they just think that the term god does not imply more than "immortal alien wizards who figured out a way to crowd source their magic [by creating the world]".
That's precisely what a king is though. A guy who says that the king rules by inheritance rather than by being a special person is not denying the existence the king.
Likewise if I say that humans are just cells who banded together for feeding, reproduction and survival purposes, I am not denying that humans are a thing.
Pretty sure it's morning where he lives.
Yes I know it's a reference to... something. Can't be bothered to look it up right now.
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Re: OOTS #1195 - The Discussion Thread
The philosophical baggage is what makes them gods and not powerful wizards. An apatheist acknowledges but ignores the baggage. An Atheist discards it.
No, it really is not. It is in modern parlance, because kings are no longer relevant social constructs, but that didn't use to be the case.
ETA: and that's all I'll say here, because down that route is politics. And religion.
There is two references, actually. One is the standard "the only sentence I know in foreign language is "my hovercraft is full of eels"", and the other is a Pinky and the Brain reference where Pinky is completely out of touch with what the Brain is saying (in response to the famous "Pinky, are you thinking what I'm thinking?").
And that's another frog dissected, to the enjoyment of no-one.
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Man, Roy is so mellow now. Wonder if this is a kind of stress response, trying to act overly relaxed.
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That doesn't make sense to me. However I fear that delving deeper would get us into naughty territorry. so I suggest that we agree that we uses slightly different definitions and leave it at that.
Even when they were relevant social constructs, they were guys who wore crowns on their heads and got to rule because theeir father did (legally, at least, in practice army-size was a more influnetial factor) and there wasn't anything actually making them different from anybody else of comparable background.
Where is that one from?
and the other is a Pinky and the Brain reference where Pinky is completely out of touch with what the Brain is saying.
We may want to start raising* some of them to keep up with the mortality rate around here.
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Re: OOTS #1195 - The Discussion Thread
It's not... quite that bad an attitude. If he takes down Redcloak, then the goal changes to "Find The Dark One's new high priest and convince them and get them up to at least level 17." Strictly speaking, they don't need Redcloak, they need a level 17+ Cleric of The Dark One. If Redcloak has his hands on the End World lever, it's arguably better to kick the can down the road than so there's still a purple-quiddity god out there to work with at all.
Plus, it's not his call to make to decide if everyone in the world should sacrifice themselves for the Greater Good. He's trying to protect the helpless which, at the moment, includes "everyone in the world helpless against world-shattering forces."
Do we know that he doesn't know what Durkon knows? Up until this comic, it was an open question if Durkon had told any of the rest of the Order anything that he learned in the afterlife. I don't see any reason for him to give Roy the new plan, but withhold the understanding of what's at stake.
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The standard answer to it, yes.
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Roy and Julia's interactions are so sweet.
Seeing Roy and Redcloak verbally duke it out would be pretty amazing, but I'm betting that Redcloak's going to take the OOTS' offer as an alliance (the more against Xykon the better), orrr intervene at a crucial moment in the OOTS vs Xykon fight, since there's no way the OOTS can take Xykon down by themselves.
I have no idea where MiTD, Oona, and the paladins fit in this scenario.
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Cuthalion's art is the prettiest art of all the art. Like my avatar.
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"Big picture" means different things for different people. Sacrificing the world for hypothetical future worlds isn't more big picture than his current plan.
It's not. Worst case scenarion is the cycle continues as it has always done. Okay there's an even worse case scenarion : "TDO unleashes the Sanrls on the gods destroying any chance of makinga next world" but Roy's intened plan of action would stop that if it worked.
On the contrary, most gods only care about themselves. Roy (and Thor) want to save every mortal living right now.
You do remeber that according to Thor The Dark One has very little chance of surving to the next world? If Redcloak cannot be made to listen he must not succeed.
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Ah, the Mounty Pythons.
Thanks.
Though, I'm not sure how to work that in a sentence:"We should start a husbandry of frogs" sounds wrong and not only for the right reasons.
Look either they live or everyone dies what is there to worry about?Last edited by Fyraltari; 2020-03-16 at 11:24 AM.
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Re: OOTS #1195 - The Discussion Thread
Well, there's a good reason it's plan B. (Also, maybe I put those steps in the wrong order. )
Indeed. Most of the gods who aren't trying to work with TDO have excuses that boil down to, "Well, it's not a perfect solution, so I refuse to help solve the problem at all."
Let's face, that's much more petty, selfish attitude than anything Roy's said here.Last edited by Grey Watcher; 2020-03-16 at 11:36 AM.
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I am really enjoying this Roy/Julia interaction. Much more than Nale/Elan as far as siblings go in this comic.
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You can say "frog breeding". Animal husbandry is the vague official term that nobody use.
Except munchkins, who weaponize the vagueness.Last edited by Cazero; 2020-03-16 at 11:48 AM.
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