Fyraltari's Fiercely Friendly Random Banter Thread #226

[Peelee]

That sounds like a hydrocarbon with an oxidizer. dangerous.

Or just fat. Little chemistry joke there.

[Anonymouswizard]

Or just fat. Little chemistry joke there.

Be careful, not everybody is as large as me. You might have insulted someone

[Bartmanhomer]

I'm the most Chaotic Neutral member in this forum!

[Insane Jeenyus]

That's gotta add at least 50 horsepower, right?

50.00342 to be precise. would you like a demonstration?

Or just fat. Little chemistry joke there.

*looks at belt line* Oh yeah, that too.

I'm the most Chaotic Neutral member in this forum!

I agree!

[Bartmanhomer]

50.00342 to be precise. would you like a demonstration?

*looks at beltline* Oh yeah, that too.

I agree!

Really? Tell me why?

[The Fury]

50.00342 to be precise. would you like a demonstration?

Yes! How are we going to do this? I propose we test it on your car.

[Aedilred]

I'm the most Chaotic Neutral member in this forum!

If you were really chaotic, BMH, you'd come up with a different April Fool each year.

[Bartmanhomer]

If you were really chaotic, BMH, you'd come up with a different April Fool each year.

Oh is that coming up already?

[Insane Jeenyus]

Yes! How are we going to do this? I propose we test it on your car.

first hurdle there is I have no vehicle of any sort. I am working on an idea right now .. .. .. .. ..

If you were really chaotic, BMH, you'd come up with a different April Fool each year.

Oh is that coming up already?

Actually, I figured every day is April Fool's day for BMH!

[The Fury]

first hurdle there is I have no vehicle of any sort. I am working on an idea right now .. .. .. .. ..

Do you have a lawnmower?

[enderlord99]

A few days ago, I literally dreamt up a humorous insult: "...has almost 18 intelligence and wisdom, but only if you add them together!"

[Insane Jeenyus]

Do you have a lawnmower?

Nope, But like I said, I have a plan .. .. ..

You said 50 or so hp or mega tons?

Spoiler: oops

Show

[Peelee]

Nope, But like I said, I have a plan .. .. ..

I have suspicions about your plan...

[Bartmanhomer]

first hurdle there is I have no vehicle of any sort. I am working on an idea right now .. .. .. .. ..



Actually, I figured every day is April Fool's day for BMH!

Oh, do tell. LOL!

[Aotrs Commander]

FOR FRACK'S SAKE Microsoft, I do not want a fracking PIN, STOP trying to make me have one! It's bad enough I have to have a bloody password to use my fraking computer (and only when you arbitatrily decide to ignore the fact you don't ask for it normally), I do not want or need another bloody stupid thing I have to write down somewhere as well! To log into my own computer! That's the second time you have demanded I have to put a PIN in before you let me boot into my sodding system and the second time I IMMEDIATELY deleted it. GET. A. CLUE.

What, next you'll be demanding I have to input a mobile phone number so I can boot into my computer, and of course it won't be long, I'm sure, before everywhere starts demanding you have to log into everything via smartphone with those touch-screens, explictly to ensure everyone has to have them and from there it won't be long until they make logging into the phone requries seventeen alphanumeric codes and three pints of various bodily fluids, the sacrifice of three souls of family members and any two divine panethoens.


This is getting beyond ridiculous.

[factotum]

Er, what? Windows has never, in my life, asked me for a PIN number before it lets me in. Maybe that's because I always use a local account on the computer, though, rather than an online Microsoft account.

[Anonymouswizard]

FOR FRACK'S SAKE Microsoft, I do not want a fracking PIN, STOP trying to make me have one! It's bad enough I have to have a bloody password to use my fraking computer (and only when you arbitatrily decide to ignore the fact you don't ask for it normally), I do not want or need another bloody stupid thing I have to write down somewhere as well! To log into my own computer! That's the second time you have demanded I have to put a PIN in before you let me boot into my sodding system and the second time I IMMEDIATELY deleted it. GET. A. CLUE.

A PIN is actually really insecure as well, it's what, normally four symbols of ten varieties? Like, I get why you might use it for touchscreen devices as a replacement, but most computers have keyboards. And honestly despite what I keep seeing companies saying I've yet to see tablets replace laptops, I've seen a few laptop-tablet switchables in my time but they've been used almost exclusively in laptop mode.

Er, what? Windows has never, in my life, asked me for a PIN number before it lets me in. Maybe that's because I always use a local account on the computer, though, rather than an online Microsoft account.

I use my MS account and I've never been asked to add a pin.

Honestly it's caused me problems, as it means that my microsoft account can't have a secure password, because I need to log into it to access my password manager.

[BisectedBrioche]

I was going to do some baking today, but I was foiled by my own failure to buy more butter when I had a chance!

[factotum]

Honestly it's caused me problems, as it means that my microsoft account can't have a secure password, because I need to log into it to access my password manager.

You can remember *one* secure password, surely? If you're using an unsecure password to secure your password manager, you have big problems.

[Tvtyrant]

I like to use sentences for my passwords. Like Humptydumptys@t!2 as an example, easy to remember and the volume of characters lends it security against brute force.

[Anonymouswizard]

You can remember *one* secure password, surely? If you're using an unsecure password to secure your password manager, you have big problems.

Yes, I remember the strong password for my password manager

[Insane Jeenyus]

I was going to do some baking today, but I was foiled by my own failure to buy more butter when I had a chance!

Pun intended?

[LaZodiac]

If it's for your personal computer, a simple pin passcode is barely any trouble. I'm sure there's some four digit code that you'll always remember no matter what, possibly tied to another, smaller piece of technology that you always have around you at all times?

[BisectedBrioche]

Pun intended?

I will pretend it is.

[factotum]

If it's for your personal computer, a simple pin passcode is barely any trouble. I'm sure there's some four digit code that you'll always remember no matter what, possibly tied to another, smaller piece of technology that you always have around you at all times?

I don't know about Aotrs Commander, but the reason I wouldn't use a PIN to secure my PC is because a PIN is considerably less secure than any halfway decent password would be--after all, there are only 10,000 possibilities for a 4-digit PIN, whereas even a simple 8-character alphanumeric password offers approximately 10 orders of magnitude better security.

[LaZodiac]

I don't know about Aotrs Commander, but the reason I wouldn't use a PIN to secure my PC is because a PIN is considerably less secure than any halfway decent password would be--after all, there are only 10,000 possibilities for a 4-digit PIN, whereas even a simple 8-character alphanumeric password offers approximately 10 orders of magnitude better security.

Well yes obviously but there's like a 10% chance the actual functional security aspect of the pin will ever come up in basically all of our lives. I'm just saying for ease of reference if Windows is demanding you do it put in your last four digits and put it out of your mind. Don't get stressed out because of such a zero stress thing.

[Anonymouswizard]

Well yes obviously but there's like a 10% chance the actual functional security aspect of the pin will ever come up in basically all of our lives. I'm just saying for ease of reference if Windows is demanding you do it put in your last four digits and put it out of your mind. Don't get stressed out because of such a zero stress thing.

Literally the only reason my laptop is password protected is 'I have siblings and a Facebook account'. You quickly learn to have a password they can't easily guess.

[Aotrs Commander]

If it's for your personal computer, a simple pin passcode is barely any trouble. I'm sure there's some four digit code that you'll always remember no matter what, possibly tied to another, smaller piece of technology that you always have around you at all times?

Nope.

(It would be very, very, VERY stupid to use the same code as for my bank card.)

(If you're referring to a phone? I do technically have one, and it does two jobs - occasionally, if the bloody thing doesn't Shrodinger's Charge, why do phones have batteries unilaterally worse than my frickin' DS I don't know), send phone calls (which is the only reason I have it, as an emergancy measure if I was to be out in the car and the car died or something), and on the vanishingly remote occasions I'm expecting it and thus is it turned on, recieve them. Okay, to be fair, I once sent a text. Once. (No, I'm not being hyberbolic.) It doesn't have a code, it has an on/off button, and no features beyond the most basic and nothing on it more valuable than a few phone numbers on the card (after that one time it arbitarily ate all the phone numbers on the phone itself for no reason). It doesn't play games or have apps or have touch screens or anything like that. That's all it needs to do. Any other communications needs are be served by the PC and email.)



The PIN is not any more secure than the password I ALREADY have. And me remembering it is no good - because I'm not the only person in the house the uses the computer. So it would have to be written down and then found on my Tatty Sheet of Paper With All The Passwords On It ANYWAY, at which point, how is it better than a password? Especially as the option was to enable alphanumerics, and which point, you are literally trading a password for another password.

The fact I came down to find the computer on means that - once again - my Dad wasn't able to get able to get on (because he has to try and find the password)

Actually, no, it's WORSE than that (which has happened before, means he can't access his primary email) as on checking, he said he had no problems checking the weather before he went out of his bike ride (because he needs to keep his fitness up, lest the quantine trade the possibility of ill-health for the certainty), so that means Windows ITSELF logged off when no-one was looking and then required the password input and then insisted I put a PIN in. While it was on and running.

That is beyond ridiculous.

Though to be fair, I shouldn't expect anything remotely resembling competance from Microsoft, who have to learn afresh everytime you cannot tell customers what they want. You'd have thought, after Windows 8, they'd have learned, but no...



But hey, in case you're listening MS, as a general rule, they that wish to maintain the cohesion of their soul's internal organs are best advised to not frack off Bleakbane before he's even had his cerial.

[DataNinja]

Nope.

(It would be very, very, VERY stupid to use the same code as for my bank card.)

(If you're referring to a phone? I do technically have one, and it does two jobs - occasionally, if the bloody thing doesn't Shrodinger's Charge, why do phones have batteries unilaterally worse than my frickin' DS I don't know), send phone calls (which is the only reason I have it, as an emergancy measure if I was to be out in the car and the car died or something), and on the vanishingly remote occasions I'm expecting it and thus is it turned on, recieve them. Okay, to be fair, I once sent a text. Once. (No, I'm not being hyberbolic.) It doesn't have a code, it has an on/off button, and no features beyond the most basic and nothing on it more valuable than a few phone numbers on the card (after that one time it arbitarily ate all the phone numbers on the phone itself for no reason). It doesn't play games or have apps or have touch screens or anything like that. That's all it needs to do. Any other communications needs are be served by the PC and email.)

I think she's referring to the last 4 digits of your phone number.

[Aotrs Commander]

I think she's referring to the last 4 digits of your phone number.

That sounds like that would be an even less secure idea. I know precisely two phones numbers¹; the house phone and Nanny's, and despite being on telephone preference service, we get enough spam calls that that information is hardly difficult to come by.




¹No, of course I have no idea what my mobile number is, why would I? I use my phone less than a dozen times per year and some of those are at wargames conventions (cancelled!) to call Mum to tell her we're on our way back and only if Dad doesn't do it. I have to look it up in the phone book if I need it. Phone lives in my waterproof pocket permenantly off, so it's not like it would do anyone any good if they wanted it, since unless I know someone is going to call, it won't ever be on.

Why d'you think I get so annoyed I have to use it for two-stage verification?

(That's a whole other gripe as it now means every time I want to get something on Amazon or something (and the banks are threatening to do it as well), I have to go fetch my phone from the hall to sort it out...)