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2020-04-03, 05:24 AM (ISO 8601)
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How were the Order of the Scribble able to resist the Snarl's attacks?
We've seen that Soon & Kraagor were able to fight the Snarl directly. This included surviving hits from the Snarl, which have otherwise been pretty much insta-kill. Has it been explained how they were able to do this?
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2020-04-03, 06:15 AM (ISO 8601)
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Re: How were the Order of the Scribble able to resist the Snarl's attacks?
We don't now. We don't even know if that's an accurate retelling of the event yet.
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2020-04-03, 06:36 AM (ISO 8601)
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Re: How were the Order of the Scribble able to resist the Snarl's attacks?
It's also entirely possible that's the only situation where they did any sort of direct battle with the thing, and it appears Kraagor didn't survive it (or at least got pulled into Snarlworld), so even if the scene is entirely accurate as presented it doesn't tell us that the Scribblers had any more ability to battle the Snarl than any other mortal.
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2020-04-03, 06:42 AM (ISO 8601)
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Re: How were the Order of the Scribble able to resist the Snarl's attacks?
While that is true, we can't simply dismiss the fact that the Scribblers were high level and almost certainly epic level by then, so we don't know that they can be compared to most any other mortals. Also, they apparently survived an attack from the Snarl, not necessarily a hit.
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2020-04-03, 07:02 AM (ISO 8601)
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Re: How were the Order of the Scribble able to resist the Snarl's attacks?
Lirian and Dorukan also studied the Rifts extensively enough to create the Gates. It's possible they had enough of an understanding of the nature of the Snarl to come up with some magical protection.
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2020-04-03, 08:18 AM (ISO 8601)
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Re: How were the Order of the Scribble able to resist the Snarl's attacks?
Thor has a hypothesis that because mortals are composed of three colors (opposed to a god's singular color) that they are not nearly as vulnerable to it as the gods are.
The Snarl might have to kill mortals the old fashioned way...
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2020-04-03, 08:48 AM (ISO 8601)
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Re: How were the Order of the Scribble able to resist the Snarl's attacks?
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2020-04-03, 09:05 AM (ISO 8601)
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Re: How were the Order of the Scribble able to resist the Snarl's attacks?
Umm... the dwarven memorial featured prominently in the last comic suggests that 50% of the Order of the Scribble that got close to the rift did not, in fact, resist the Snarl's attacks.
Beyond that, I'd imagine that they fared pretty much as you'd fare against any other epic-level opponent. Lots and lots and lots of magic. Magic's pretty broken, y'all.
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2020-04-04, 10:35 AM (ISO 8601)
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Re: How were the Order of the Scribble able to resist the Snarl's attacks?
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2020-04-04, 11:42 AM (ISO 8601)
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Re: How were the Order of the Scribble able to resist the Snarl's attacks?
We dont actually know that. Dorukan and Girards words imply that Soons decision to have the spell cast while Soon and Kraagor were still in the Area of Effect is what did Kraagors in, not the fight with the Snarl.
We dont actually know how exactly, if at all, Kraagor died. He might (emphasis on might) still be alive on the world-within-the-world.Forum Wisdom
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2020-04-04, 11:45 AM (ISO 8601)
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Re: How were the Order of the Scribble able to resist the Snarl's attacks?
Last edited by Darth Paul; 2020-04-04 at 11:47 AM.
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2020-04-04, 11:55 AM (ISO 8601)
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Re: How were the Order of the Scribble able to resist the Snarl's attacks?
Cast the spell! Seal the Rift! No! Not until you are both in the clear!
It should have been you that died in that rift, you cowardly son of bich.
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2020-04-04, 12:08 PM (ISO 8601)
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Re: How were the Order of the Scribble able to resist the Snarl's attacks?
Yes. Because Mortals of the OOTS world are made of three quiddities, while the Gods are singe-quiddity. Meaning Mortals are a lot more resilient than Gods against the Snarl. High Level mortals, at least. Lord Shojo hints at it during The Crayons of Time.
Gods are about level 30-60. So an Epic-Level mortal of, say, level 25, would have roughly the same anti-Snarl resilience than a level 75 God, which is well beyond what the pantheon chief deities have. Enough to resist two shots, instead of a single one.
Yeah, a lesser God is probably as weak against the Snarl as a level 10 character. There is a reason why all the gods are scared to **** at the mere mention of it's name.
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2020-04-05, 12:30 AM (ISO 8601)
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Re: How were the Order of the Scribble able to resist the Snarl's attacks?
Okay. I misconstrued Grey_Wolf's reference to the "memorial" and then mentioning "the last comic" as meaning there was something new about a memorial in comic #1198, which I had not read yet. I take it now that the reference was the last of the flashback comics with the Scribblers.
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2020-04-05, 07:17 AM (ISO 8601)
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2020-04-05, 09:07 AM (ISO 8601)
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Re: How were the Order of the Scribble able to resist the Snarl's attacks?
That is because I have not stated that quiddities multiply your level. What I have stated is that quiddities multiply your resistance against attacks from the Snarl.
The Snarl unmades things. It inflicts, let's call it "reality damage". The more quiddities you were formed with, the more real you are. The more "real" you are, the harder it is for the Snarl to unmake you. That's the basis of Thor's plan. That's why the Dark One with his new Quiddity means such a breakthrough.
Xykon doesn't inflict "reality damage" like the Snarl. Neither do the Gods. That's a trait unique to the Snarl. So the number of quiddities Xykon was formed with, means **** for a battle between a God and him.
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2020-04-05, 11:06 AM (ISO 8601)
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Re: How were the Order of the Scribble able to resist the Snarl's attacks?
Nah, that can't be it, since we know that at realities = 4, you are immune to the snarl. So if there is any actual numbers attached to this (likely, there are not), it has to be more a % damage reduction, so that r=1 gives 25% DR, r=3 gives 75%, and that at r=4, you take no damage.
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I may have been seeing too many DCSS lately.
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2020-04-05, 11:18 AM (ISO 8601)
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Re: How were the Order of the Scribble able to resist the Snarl's attacks?
If realities = 4 made you inmune to the Snarl, the First World wouldn't have been destroyed by it in 27 minutes. (While Lord Shojo is not the most reliable narrator, Thor confirmed that the Snarl destroyed the first world, which was made of 4 quiddities, though maybe it took more than 27 minutes. (#1140))
More likely, realities = 4 means you break even, no advantage or disadvantage except for the fact the Snarl is still a cosmical horror eldritch abomination.
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Personal interpretations aside, what we know is:
1) Lord Shojo believes Gods are more vulnerable to the Snarl than mortals (#0274)
2) Thor stated that because they are single-quiddity beings, Gods are like jelly to the Snarl (#1141)
3) The more quiddities involved in the creation of something, the more real it is. (#1141)
4) Four-quiddity seals would be stronger than the 3-quiddity world around it (#1143l)
With all those points into consideration, the question from the OP is easy to answer.
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2020-04-05, 09:08 PM (ISO 8601)
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Re: How were the Order of the Scribble able to resist the Snarl's attacks?
Are you implying that a creature that Epic level characters fought cannot kill something with just a single HD? You are also heavily implying other things as if I had used absolutes. For one I said that it "might have to kill mortals the old fashioned way" which means doing damage instead of instant kill*. I also used the phrase "they are not nearly as vulnerable" which implies that they can still be vulnerable...
*even then we don't know if it can instant kill a god or if it's damage is divided by the number of colors; which implies a god could survive a hit if strong enough
if it truly was only 27 minutes for planet destruction I can't help but wonder at its size, speed and action economy... its not like the gods are restricted by size.
The Snarl unmades things. It inflicts, let's call it "reality damage". The more quiddities you were formed with, the more real you are. The more "real" you are, the harder it is for the Snarl to unmake you. That's the basis of Thor's plan. That's why the Dark One with his new Quiddity means such a breakthrough.
Elan is supposed to have a happy ending so... I guess not.
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2020-04-06, 12:06 AM (ISO 8601)
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Re: How were the Order of the Scribble able to resist the Snarl's attacks?
Actually, since it was stated that The Dark One could help create an impenetrable seal, that suggests vulnerability to the Snarl is actually defined by you sharing quiddities with it. Maybe we can see it as the Snarl making an attack that drains your shared quiddites sequentially, thus the gods die instantly while mortals last a bit longer before all their quiddities are drained.
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2020-04-06, 04:38 AM (ISO 8601)
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Re: How were the Order of the Scribble able to resist the Snarl's attacks?
Since divine casting is powered by the gods, I wonder what happens when a cleric of TDO casts something on the Snarl, or if it interacts with someone who has had something cast on them by a cleric of TDO.
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2020-04-06, 06:14 AM (ISO 8601)
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Re: How were the Order of the Scribble able to resist the Snarl's attacks?
Everything we've heard suggests that the actual colour of the quiddity is irrelevant, it's how many of them you have. The Dark One is likely just as vulnerable to being destroyed by the Snarl as any other God, despite his unique quiddity.
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2020-04-06, 07:55 AM (ISO 8601)
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Re: How were the Order of the Scribble able to resist the Snarl's attacks?
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2020-04-06, 08:37 AM (ISO 8601)
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2020-04-06, 09:48 AM (ISO 8601)
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2020-04-06, 01:05 PM (ISO 8601)
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Re: How were the Order of the Scribble able to resist the Snarl's attacks?
What if it was a magical chicken? Maybe a chicken with a status spell on it?
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2020-04-06, 01:12 PM (ISO 8601)
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Re: How were the Order of the Scribble able to resist the Snarl's attacks?
Ya know, I have to note, in quite likely the dumbest thing I will say today, if not all year, that the spell Magic Weapon cannot be cast on natural weapons, but has no such restriction on improvised weapons, such as a thrown chicken.
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2020-04-06, 01:20 PM (ISO 8601)
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2020-04-06, 02:12 PM (ISO 8601)
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Re: How were the Order of the Scribble able to resist the Snarl's attacks?
Who ever heard of chickens being used as weapons? They're only useful for zip lining.
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2020-04-06, 02:15 PM (ISO 8601)
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