Range of a feat

[Urudin]

Hi All,

I'm thinking about running fey-centered campaign, and one of the third party books I'd use for that would be Complete Guide to Fey. There is a feat "Magic Weave" there, which allows you to add spells as spell-like ability to your character. However, the things which bugs me is the range of it, it states as following:

"Base range for Magic Weave abilities is a 30-foot radius, or 60-foot spread, determined when the power is bought. A spell that is limited to a single type of use, such as one with a target of “person touched” but that can only be used on the fey himself, is reduced in weight by 1 to a minimum of 1."

So my question is, what is the difference between 30-foot radius or 60-foot spread?

[the_tick_rules]

https://www.d20srd.org/srd/magicOver...scriptions.htm

it's a bit of a read but you can just search for spread and the other terms you want.

[Urudin]

I still don't understand, since it's a range of a spell, and even the link you sent doesn't have ranges as either radius or spread. It means that the target stays the same but the range is modified? So can I cast heal/harm in those ranges without touching the target? Or is the wording about the target?

[Hish]

You're right, that range doesn't make sense. Spread is a description of area, not range (it means it goes that far out from the point of origin and it can go around corners). You can't have a range of 60' spread. Ultimately, it is up to DM interpretation.

[tyckspoon]

The snippet you provided is either lacking important context, or the writer didn't understand the rules they're invoking. Couldn't say which for sure without seeing the complete text it's referencing - there's clearly some aspects specific to this feat/feat chains/other abilities this is meant to be used with, as 'weight' doesn't mean anything in regards to spells normally.

[Urudin]

Below is what the feat gives:

Spoiler: Magic Weave

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Benefit: A spell from a fey spell list you have access to (but
not necessarily one you are high enough level to cast) becomes
a part of you, or you gain a number of racial bonuses to skills or
class ability checks.
If a spell becomes a part of you, you may use this spell as a
spell-like ability once per day, and it does not use a spell slot.
Each time this feat is taken, it allows you to imbue yourself with
magics totaling a weight of 8. Unspent points may be retained to
pay for later expenditures under this feat.
Aspell’s “weight” for the purposes of this feat is equal to its
level + 1. Thus a 3rd-level spell has a weight of 4. Base range for
Magic Weave abilities is a 30-foot radius, or 60-foot spread,
determined when the power is bought. A spell that is limited to a
single type of use, such as one with a target of “person touched”
but that can only be used on the fey himself, is reduced in weight
by 1 to a minimum of 1.
The frequency with which you can use these abilities alters
their cost. The base weight is multiplied by some figure to define
the final cost. Using a spell 3/day increases its weight by x2. At
will or constant usage increases its weight by x3.
You can also use this feat to gain a racial bonus to a skill or
class ability check. Each +1 bonus to a skill check or class ability
has a weight of 1.
Special: When you buy a spell-like or supernatural ability
with constant or at will usage, your appearance is changed in an
appropriate way. For example, by buying reduce as a constant
ability, you change size, and your new size becomes your “normal”
one. Other changes might include the wings of a pollinating
insect when a Dream Court fey buys fly as a constant ability,
or frog legs if the character bought jump in that way. As a fey
grows in power, she will begin to look dramatically different.
This feat may be taken multiple times, and its effects stack.
Caster level is considered to be the minimum required to cast
that level of spell in the most favorable class or the character’s
caster level, whichever is lower.

I think that the best options would be for spells to retain their normal range.

[tyckspoon]

Yeah, there's no context there or indication that they want you to change the existing range of the spell, like they forgot to clarify or the designer clearly knew what they meant and nobody proofread it to tell them it didn't make any sense. I'd just go with 'use the range/area of the existing spell, ask your DM if you can restrict the range/target validity to reduce the number of magic points you need.'