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2020-06-04, 05:44 AM (ISO 8601)
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Re: Questionable Content XVI: Yes, Butt
Very nice, so it did go somewhere!
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2020-06-09, 01:26 AM (ISO 8601)
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Re: Questionable Content XVI: Yes, Butt
I'm usually more optimistic about the comic in general, but I'm getting the inexplicable yet distinct vibe that we're about to get another "AI as racial analogue" subplot.
I really hope in wrong.
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2020-06-09, 02:39 AM (ISO 8601)
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Re: Questionable Content XVI: Yes, Butt
10 minutes after getting sad and angry and undergoing a breaking, revelatory moment of emotion and tension as you finally admit to yourself that you can move on from the suicide of your father, probably isn't the best time to be having this conversation with your conservative Southern Baptist mother.
Not saying it doesn't need to be done. I'm saying sleep on it, and go into it fresh tomorrow morning when you're in a better frame of mind, is all.
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2020-06-09, 02:48 AM (ISO 8601)
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2020-06-09, 02:50 AM (ISO 8601)
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Re: Questionable Content XVI: Yes, Butt
Well, she had time to accept that her other daughter is a lesbian already. She was shocked and everything at the start, but seems to be supportive enough about it, by now, from what I remember from the sisters last visit.
So, I feel there's a decent chance this will not go as off the rails as it could. She's not your "typical" southern baptist. Of course, Bubbles is also a robot, so there's still some tension there
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2020-06-09, 05:41 AM (ISO 8601)
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Re: Questionable Content XVI: Yes, Butt
The first time we met Amanda, Faye's sister, was when her mom caught her in bed with another girl and she was thrown out of the house - Although admittedly that was a combination of other poor decisions, like spontaneously also finding out that Amanda had changed her major from pre-med to modern dance without telling anyone. They're since made up.
The implication being, I believe, that Mrs Whittaker is a lot like Faye herself - sensitive and caring, but quick to angry outbursts that she later regrets and has to make amends for. There may be an initial outburst, but it'll probably work out okay in the end *if* Faye
is in the frame of mind to recognise that and doesn't dig herself into a shallow graveLast edited by Wraith; 2020-06-09 at 05:42 AM.
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2020-06-09, 07:45 AM (ISO 8601)
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Re: Questionable Content XVI: Yes, Butt
You know at first I was giggling, "Bubs, its a phone call, you dont have to dress up!" Now im like, "Oh, good idea Bubs. Didnt think about this option."
"Interdum feror cupidine partium magnarum Europae vincendarum"
Translation: "Sometimes I get this urge to conquer large parts of Europe."
"If you don't get those cameras out of my face, I'm gonna go 8.6 on the Richter scale with gastric emissions that'll clear this room."
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2020-06-09, 11:13 PM (ISO 8601)
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2020-06-09, 11:22 PM (ISO 8601)
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2020-06-10, 02:52 AM (ISO 8601)
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Re: Questionable Content XVI: Yes, Butt
Well so far this worked better than some people expected. Faye's not been disowned yet, and the mom didn't have a heart attack and died either.
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2020-06-10, 03:29 AM (ISO 8601)
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Re: Questionable Content XVI: Yes, Butt
Turns out that all of the ruckus about Amanda being a lesbian, wasn't anything to do with the "being a lesbian" part and was entirely based on the "Amanda" bit.
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2020-06-10, 05:41 AM (ISO 8601)
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Re: Questionable Content XVI: Yes, Butt
Nice battery percentage on that phone, Mrs. Whittaker.
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2020-06-10, 10:19 AM (ISO 8601)
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Re: Questionable Content XVI: Yes, Butt
Most of the ruckus was teenage drama and her mom walking in on her while she was mid coitus with her girlfriend. I dont think her preferences were in the top 5 of issues mom was having. Also, you know, stealing her credit card to pay for a plane ticket to Mass so she could visit faye.
"Interdum feror cupidine partium magnarum Europae vincendarum"
Translation: "Sometimes I get this urge to conquer large parts of Europe."
"If you don't get those cameras out of my face, I'm gonna go 8.6 on the Richter scale with gastric emissions that'll clear this room."
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2020-06-11, 12:11 AM (ISO 8601)
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2020-06-11, 02:35 AM (ISO 8601)
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Re: Questionable Content XVI: Yes, Butt
Specifically that she was mid-coitus with someone she met while underage drinking and living under the roof of a teetotaller, and was discovered in the act when Mrs Whittaker was seeking her out to find out why she had transferred to a "useless" degree (QC's words, not mine, for the Dance majors out there ). Being outed at the same time was certainly a surprise, but yeah, not the most important detail.
The credit card thing came after - Amanda was thrown out, so she took the card with her. Mom was already mad at that point, and theft/fraud was her escape plan.
Or at least that's her side of the story - what actually seems to have happened is that she and her mom got into a big argument and she stormed out, then told Faye she had been kicked out. I don't think we've ever heard Mom's side of the story, or have any specific evidence that Amanda was ordered to go. From what else we've seen of Amanda and her Mom's immediate invitation to come home and talk about it, she may have been generating more unnecessary drama there. Or was just lying to get Faye on her side, if we wanted to be uncharitable.Last edited by Wraith; 2020-06-11 at 02:40 AM.
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2020-06-11, 11:52 AM (ISO 8601)
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Re: Questionable Content XVI: Yes, Butt
Five shiny quatloos says this ends with Faye getting disinherited
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2020-06-12, 01:41 PM (ISO 8601)
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Re: Questionable Content XVI: Yes, Butt
Bubbles just scored a few points I think
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2020-06-19, 01:32 PM (ISO 8601)
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Re: Questionable Content XVI: Yes, Butt
"Yay" reminding us that she's a horrible being that needs serious downgrading.
It is one thing to suspend your disbelief. It is another thing entirely to hang it by the neck until dead.
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2020-06-19, 02:33 PM (ISO 8601)
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Re: Questionable Content XVI: Yes, Butt
Yeah, reminding viewers that one of your characters is capable of completely ignoring privacy and has knowledge of every event isn't great.
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2020-06-19, 05:05 PM (ISO 8601)
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Re: Questionable Content XVI: Yes, Butt
Honestly, I prefer it being shown that it hasn't been forgotten or swept under the rug. It gives me hope that there will be a follow-up and the problem will be confronted.
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2020-06-20, 05:49 AM (ISO 8601)
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2020-06-20, 06:05 AM (ISO 8601)
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Re: Questionable Content XVI: Yes, Butt
She's an anomaly, so I wouldn't be too surprised if, one day, the conditions necessary to her existence were to end and she just stopped existing.
For that to be satisfying (not as "ha ha, she's dead", but as it having the right impact), however, this privacy issue would need to be resolved first.Originally Posted by J.R.R. Tolkien, 1955
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2020-06-22, 09:50 AM (ISO 8601)
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Re: Questionable Content XVI: Yes, Butt
I can see why Yay would be constantly monitoring for anything pertaining to them. There'd be normal stuff like Faye and Bubbles talking. There's be speculation among the higher level AIs and humans like Station and Hanner's father as to what they could be and their motives. And then, as an offshoot of that, there'd be those whose response would be "This is a danger to us. We must find a way to destroy or subsume this entity, regardless of the costs. Gather all information and target all those who know anything about them."
An ounce of prevention is worth having to destroy clandestine organizations by orbital bombardment.
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2020-06-22, 10:27 AM (ISO 8601)
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Re: Questionable Content XVI: Yes, Butt
I'm not normally one to gripe on this thread, but I really don't like Yay.
I mean, they're fine as a character, "Weird, somewhat sinister Super-AI trying to be a good friend" isn't a terrible character concept.
But, they just kind of, Loom over the rest of the story in a way that really isn't necessary, because their proven influence and capabilities are just, so powerful, for a story about twentysomethings dealing with drama.
Like, okay, we already had Station get called in on the Bubbles Memory problem, but couldn't do it, so Yay shows up out of nowhere as an even more super-AI who happened to be listening in and wants to make all the problems go away. And now Yay, basically a god in the scale of the story being told, is here, hanging out.
Like, let me spin you an alternate version of events really fast.
Hannalore asks Station "Hey Station, my friend Bubbles is being held hostage with a memory lock, can you help her out?"
Station "Sure, as a powerful AI, I can and will gladly intervene in this very specific situation"
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Station "I can't help myself, but I happen to know an AI that can, let me introduce you to a skilled AI technician to undo Corpse Witch's work".
And said Technician could even be a snarky, ominous, vaguely sinister Spooky AI who ends up befriending Roko later. They could even do the multiple-bodies thing, all without introducing this random robo-god who shows up by knocking out a room full of people.
Like, I'm fine with 90% of what Yay does in the story, but there's always this lurking fact that Roko and Melon are hanging out with a character that exists on a whole other scale than the rest of them.
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2020-06-22, 10:39 AM (ISO 8601)
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Re: Questionable Content XVI: Yes, Butt
“Evil is evil. Lesser, greater, middling, it's all the same. Proportions are negotiated, boundaries blurred. I'm not a pious hermit, I haven't done only good in my life. But if I'm to choose between one evil and another, then I prefer not to choose at all.”
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2020-06-22, 11:08 AM (ISO 8601)
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Re: Questionable Content XVI: Yes, Butt
It is one thing to suspend your disbelief. It is another thing entirely to hang it by the neck until dead.
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2020-06-22, 11:25 AM (ISO 8601)
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Re: Questionable Content XVI: Yes, Butt
Well, yes. That's a given. But it doesn't invalidate the rest.
Are you spying on people if they're talking about you within your hearing? If Yay's description of their sensory abilities is accurate, they 'hear' an enormous amount. I doubt everything on Earth, but I wouldn't rule it out. I would not say it is OK, any more than I would say it is OK for trees to fall in the forest. It happens. A value judgement is irrelevant.
Now, if Yay were able to erect filters on their perceptions, and doesn't, THAT would be a different matter.
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2020-06-22, 11:49 AM (ISO 8601)
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Re: Questionable Content XVI: Yes, Butt
Yay is getting called out on this by their friend, so it seems to me that Jeph is aware of this problem, and treating Yay learning that they shouldn't play god and expect to also be that wacky neighbor who hangs out and swaps cute dog pics as a substantive plot arc.
That doesn't change the fact that having someone who can solve this many problems doesn't cause an imbalance in the worldbuilding. Schlock Mercenary had it with Petey -- even when they say they won't intervene for X, Y or Z reasons, you always knew that they could.
All in all, I think Yay was a mistake in the first place, but I'm willing to wait and see if Jeph does something interesting with them going forward.
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2020-06-22, 11:55 AM (ISO 8601)
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Re: Questionable Content XVI: Yes, Butt
I have inferred from previous conversations that Yay is accessing places like Coffee 'O' Doom and hearing their conversations via their wifi router and/or cell phone signals, stuff like that - they're not "overhearing it" like Faye and Bubbles were talking loudly in the next room. This suggests that they are doing so actively and could simply choose not to, if they wanted.
Security, paranoia and everything aside; they literally just eaves-dropped on a conversation wherein Faye came out to her mother, a conversation that has absolutely no tactical value. Yay absolute is rude and obnoxious, and is spying on people for their own amusement.Last edited by Wraith; 2020-06-22 at 11:56 AM.
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2020-06-22, 01:23 PM (ISO 8601)
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Re: Questionable Content XVI: Yes, Butt
I think they are hilarious.
they remind me of Mr. Rabbit in „Rainbows End“ by Vernor VingeLast edited by Agi Hammerthief; 2020-06-22 at 01:24 PM.
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