OOTS #1201 - The Discussion Thread

[Mr.Toast]

Hey Giant, can you make the Julio Scoundrèl comics plz

[Squire Doodad]

There's a bit of a flaw in that if the Blood Oath is broken, then Julia can't be contacted by Roy.
I imagine Julia would be told when the final battle begins by Sending (I don't think Roy can manually talk to her this way), and if she is not contacted after X days she does a Blood Sending to Roy?

Roy presumably would have had the details figured out, and signs point to V and Durkon not getting wiped off the map in the next 100 pages, but part of me is wondering how closely he has been planning his backup.

[Rogar Demonblud]

Julia probably has a check in schedule. And if he dies in a TPK, the powers that be will probably let Eugene go down to Julia so he can tell her the Blood Oath is her responsibility now/gloat about fighter inadequacy and wizard supremacy.

[Peelee]

Julia probably has a check in schedule. And if he dies in a TPK, the powers that be will probably let Eugene go down to Julia so he can tell her the Blood Oath is her responsibility now/gloat about fighter inadequacy and wizard supremacy.

I'm not so sure; I can't imagine the powers that be are open to doing Eugene any favors at this point.

[Fyraltari]

There's a bit of a flaw in that if the Blood Oath is broken, then Julia can't be contacted by Roy.
I imagine Julia would be told when the final battle begins by Sending (I don't think Roy can manually talk to her this way), and if she is not contacted after X days she does a Blood Sending to Roy?

Roy presumably would have had the details figured out, and signs point to V and Durkon not getting wiped off the map in the next 100 pages, but part of me is wondering how closely he has been planning his backup.

Roy cannot cast any spell anyway. Once the Blood Oath is broken Julia can reach him with a simple Sending.

I'm not so sure; I can't imagine the powers that be are open to doing Eugene any favors at this point.

They would if The Book says they have to.

[Peelee]

They would if The Book says they have to.

Indeed, but I doubt The Book says they have to do much of anything for those who aren't even in Celestia yet.

[Squire Doodad]

Roy cannot cast any spell anyway. Once the Blood Oath is broken Julia can reach him with a simple Sending.

Precisely - I assume he'd have to let one of the casters do the sending right before the final battle so Julia knows when the check in.
Come to think of it, if the Blood Sending doesn't work, then that means that Xykon, at least, is dead. Or that Roy is dead/unconcious/etc., depending on how its depicted

[Fyraltari]

Indeed, but I doubt The Book says they have to do much of anything for those who aren't even in Celestia yet.

Presumably they do have to abide by the rules of the Blood Oath (else the Greenhilts wouldn’t be in that situation) so that must be in The Book somewhere.

Also I kinda assumed that The Book was about being Lawful Good in general, not just how to run Celestia.

[Peelee]

Presumably they do have to abide by the rules of the Blood Oath (else the Greenhilts wouldn’t be in that situation) so that must be in The Book somewhere.

Also I kinda assumed that The Book was about being Lawful Good in general, not just how to run Celestia.

I would imagine The Book has something along the lines of, "if one is Lawful and has sworn something, hold them to the thing sworn." Which, in this case, would be Eugene swearing himself out of the afterlife until Xykon is gone.

Laws/rules/whatever-you'd-call-the-text-of-The-Book are fun. You want just the right mix of specific enough to cover something, but vague enough to cover all your bases.

[Schroeswald]

Am I the only one who keeps having to look closely to make sure this isn't the real 1202 thread whenever they reload?

[Peelee]

Am I the only one who keeps having to look closely to make sure this isn't the real 1202 thread whenever they reload?

Nah. That one wouldn't have a check mark beside it.

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[Schroeswald]

Nah. That one wouldn't have a check mark beside it.

Response may not be useful for those who have not posted in this thread.

Oh I know, and yet every single time I check the comics menu for 1202 and don't think about how the green markey thing is a check instead of a circle until afterwards.

[bunsen_h]

I'm not so sure; I can't imagine the powers that be are open to doing Eugene any favors at this point.

Wasn't there something about Eugene being able to appear only to Roy because Roy was the eldest living child?

[Grey_Wolf_c]

Wasn't there something about Eugene being able to appear only to Roy because Roy was the eldest living child?

If I have understood the conversation correctly, the hypothetical being examined involves a scenario in which Roy, and every caster capable of casting sending, die in the battle for the last gate, but the rest are still successful at taking the gate, but Xykon still lives, and need to ask for the Mechane to come get them.

It's what I'd call a low-probability scenario, but they seem to be having fun.

Grey Wolf

[bunsen_h]

If I have understood the conversation correctly, the hypothetical being examined involves a scenario in which Roy, and every caster capable of casting sending, die in the battle for the last gate, but the rest are still successful at taking the gate, but Xykon still lives, and need to ask for the Mechane to come get them.

This was in reference to

Julia probably has a check in schedule. And if he dies in a TPK, the powers that be will probably let Eugene go down to Julia so he can tell her the Blood Oath is her responsibility now/gloat about fighter inadequacy and wizard supremacy.

If I'm remembering correctly, Eugene being able to visit Julia would be contingent on Roy dying -- nothing to do with needing permission from the powers that be.

[Rogar Demonblud]

Well, he did work at getting them really pissed off at him since that was said, so he may be under house cloud arrest. I suppose they could let Roy go haunt Julia instead.

[Emanick]

Well, he did work at getting them really pissed off at him since that was said, so he may be under house cloud arrest. I suppose they could let Roy go haunt Julia instead.

Doesn't the Greenhilt sword have to be present for either Roy or Eugene to haunt somebody?

[Rogar Demonblud]

Unknown. Eugene theorized so, but he also theorized the Blood Oath wouldn't follow him into the afterlife.

[Schroeswald]

I’ve always assumed part of Eugene’s manifestation is due to the Blood Oath, so he can guide his descendants to destroy the lich Xykon and whatever, but my personal theory is that the manifestation requires possession of something representing your familial connection, and the closest thing to that for Roy is the sword so Eugene needs that to appear, but Julia would be able to talk to him with some special thing he gave to her (something he definitely did).

[Lkctgo]

Love the callback to Belkar's "They only sell basic potions anyway" line.

The funniest thing is that with Julio's endorsement deal with Big potion, they have access to all the health potions they need!

https://www.giantitp.com/comics/oots0937.html

[Squire Doodad]

"5 score and 3 years from, long after the final page has been published, the readers of the Order would speak in hushed whispers of the great page drought of 1202. Some said that an error in the forums had brought about their end, others claimed that Rich is just a normal guy, maybe he doesn't want to do everything on a clockwork schedule; besides, maybe the page was just one he was taking a while on, you know? Eventually, page 1203 was published...but as for 1202, no one ever knew..."

[Precure]

Did I miss something? Where is the comic?

[bunsen_h]

Did I miss something? Where is the comic?

This page was posted at about the same time that comic #1201 was posted. This page's title appears to have been a typo; comic #1202 hasn't been posted yet, and there isn't a discussion page for comic #1201.

[littlebum2002]

If only there were a dragon moderator hanging around who could fix it.

[Rogar Demonblud]

I don't think the mods can alter a post by the Giant. He outranks them in the permissions.

[Peelee]

[owl]The world may never know.[/owl]

[Lord Torath]

[owl]The world may never know.[/owl]

Are you sure those tags shouldn't be [dragon][/dragon]?

[Peelee]

Are you sure those tags shouldn't be [dragon][/dragon]?

Nah, everything I say is in [dragon][/dragon] tags by default.

[jwhouk]

Some of us just get around it via renaming our title in our post.

Boy, is that going to look weird if/when this thread is ever fixed...

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On topic: there is a slight flaw with Roy's plans - if he's killed, but they defeat Xykon.

[Fyraltari]

Some of us just get around it via renaming our title in our post.

Boy, is that going to look weird if/when this thread is ever fixed...

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On topic: there is a slight flaw with Roy's plans - if he's killed, but they defeat Xykon.

Oh boy, if only they had someone who could cast Sending. An elven Cleric maybe. Or a dwarven Wizard. Something like that.