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    Quote Originally Posted by Ron Miel View Post
    If you look above any comic you will see six icons to navigate through the archive. One of them is ! in a circle. Mouse hover over thiis will take you to the Extras page. That, in turn, will link to pages for wallpapers and incentive comics.

    It's my understanding that, for example, this went up on the main page occasionally when the Giant was unwell. And cartoons such as this are fun.

    Are they included in the count? Should they be?
    Ah, gotcha. When you said Extras, I thought you were referring to a section of this thread. No, I'm pretty sure we don't count anything in the Extras section, unless they also appear in a printed book.

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    But the point is that both of them are listed as appearing in #864. Do we want that? Shouldn't it be one or the other?

    Sorry if I didn't make that clear.
    No, I understood what you meant! Chronos, I think, explained it well:

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    Sir Thumb and Rich Burlew are the same person, but referred to by different names in the comic and in our world. I think listing both names is probably the simplest way to address that.
    The thumb is Rich's, so we list it as an appearance for him, but the thumb is also treated as its own character by Elan, so we treat it like one, too. That might strike you as a little weird, but I think most people are okay with it.

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    Thanks! This is just the tip of the iceberg of my, um, tenacity. See below....



    So, I have my own tally that lists them not by pages, but by panels. All 1798 characters, throughout [almost] all media. I say almost, because I haven’t included the t-shirts, holiday ornaments, or other physical media outside of books and calendars.

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    My project started as a way of determining if Vaarsuvius was, in fact, the most talkative of the characters, as is the reputation. I counted all of the words spoken by all of the characters, and that ballooned into a comprehensive tally of a wide variety of data points. The laborious part was entering the data. Now that I’m caught up, each new comic takes about 10-15 minutes to enter.
    So you're That Guy! I was trying to remember who had that tally. Truly, a laudable enterprise. If you want to turn that into an online spreadsheet (if it isn't one already), I feel like it would be an honor to link to it in this thread (assuming everyone else is okay with doing that).
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    So I've checked my page list with this and noticed enough discrepancies (that are probably my fault tbh) that I'm sharing them here:

    Roy has 9 more pages here than in mine.
    Durkon and V have one extra on mine.
    Mr. Scruffy, Redcloak, Xykon and Nale have one less on mine.
    O-Chul has three less on mine.
    Minrah has one extra on mine and Bandana has one less.
    I have 8 additional pages for Logann.
    Curly has one more for mine.
    And my Thirden has one less.

    There might be a few more but at the point I stopped there were very few characters left to count that I could see being different (in addition I modified my Greg listing to account for the recent methodology change, as well as removed semi-appearances from Gannji and Enor that it appears was decided didn't count to match up).
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    I recognize that Conservation of Detail is Overrated, but I find the event that I am using as evidence for my theory above important enough/given enough focus to qualify for what I call Elan’s Exception, “Who wastes perfectly good foreshadowing like that?”. Also I have never correctly predicted any event in any piece of media so take this theory with a grain of salt (I call this Peelee’s Ye Old Reminder).

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    ... but the thumb is also treated as its own character by Elan, so we treat it like one, too.
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    No, I understand why Sir Thumb is a separate character, and I agree with it.

    But the point is, you are also saying it's Rich Burlew's thumb, so it's an appearance of Rich Burlew. It's the double counting that I disagree with.

    The way I see it, the character 'Sir Thumb' appears in #864, and separate character 'Rich Burlew' does not appear.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Emanick View Post
    So you're That Guy! I was trying to remember who had that tally. Truly, a laudable enterprise. If you want to turn that into an online spreadsheet (if it isn't one already), I feel like it would be an honor to link to it in this thread (assuming everyone else is okay with doing that).
    I am that guy. I think this link will work for viewing the spreadsheet. If anyone has any difficulty opening it, let me know. If you find that you can edit it, also let me know (I'm trying to make it read-only - I'm showing my age, in that I needed to ask my son to help get the settings right).

    https://drive.google.com/file/d/14Pw...ew?usp=sharing

    As a preview, here are the 50 most talkative characters (as of 1201), how many words they have (and their percentage thereof), how many total appearances, how many panels contain them, how many words per panel (on average), and what percentage of panels include them.

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    Character Name Words Percentage Appearances Panels Words per Panel Percentage of Panels
    Roy Greenhilt 62433 12.72% 6003 5907 10.57 26.63%
    Haley Starshine 38700 7.88% 4548 4468 8.66 20.14%
    Elan 34216 6.97% 4257 4226 8.10 19.05%
    Belkar Bitterleaf 33348 6.79% 3774 3741 8.91 16.86%
    Vaarsuvius 27666 5.64% 2868 2851 9.70 12.85%
    Durkon Thundershield 20020 4.08% 2790 2691 7.44 12.13%
    Redcloak 17157 3.50% 1359 1353 12.68 6.10%
    Xykon 14800 3.01% 1201 1198 12.35 5.40%
    Tarquin 11366 2.32% 733 731 15.55 3.30%
    O-Chul 9734 1.98% 957 954 10.20 4.30%
    Hinjo 9228 1.88% 829 827 11.16 3.73%
    Nale 8758 1.78% 824 820 10.68 3.70%
    Celia 6982 1.42% 586 586 11.91 2.64%
    Eugene Greenhilt 6859 1.40% 452 444 15.45 2.00%
    High Priest of Hel 6265 1.28% 674 664 9.44 2.99%
    Shojo 6211 1.27% 314 294 21.13 1.33%
    Miko Miyazaki 5825 1.19% 656 647 9.00 2.92%
    Monster in the Darkness 5143 1.05% 573 572 8.99 2.58%
    Blackwing 4113 0.84% 813 808 5.09 3.64%
    Thor 3830 0.78% 252 251 15.26 1.13%
    Right-Eye 3761 0.77% 412 412 9.13 1.86%
    Lien 3740 0.76% 396 395 9.47 1.78%
    Therkla 3626 0.74% 343 342 10.60 1.54%
    Malack 3528 0.72% 309 309 11.42 1.39%
    Bandana Secundus 3240 0.66% 291 291 11.13 1.31%
    Sabine 3203 0.65% 436 423 7.57 1.91%
    Qarr 2797 0.57% 258 257 10.88 1.16%
    Minrah Shaleshoe 2690 0.55% 358 358 7.51 1.61%
    Tsukiko 2656 0.54% 199 189 14.05 0.85%
    Julio Scoundrél 2494 0.51% 166 161 15.49 0.73%
    Kazumi Kato 2482 0.51% 257 257 9.66 1.16%
    Saha Kapoor 2420 0.49% 270 270 8.96 1.22%
    Daigo 2393 0.49% 314 314 7.62 1.42%
    Hilgya Firehelm 2352 0.48% 289 287 8.20 1.29%
    Zhou Bo 2196 0.45% 266 266 8.26 1.20%
    Gin-Jun 2156 0.44% 168 167 12.91 0.75%
    Sigdi Thundershield 2130 0.43% 215 201 10.60 0.91%
    Ian Starshine 2022 0.41% 158 158 12.80 0.71%
    Crystal 1915 0.39% 315 285 6.72 1.28%
    Kubota 1888 0.38% 113 113 16.71 0.51%
    Gannji 1815 0.37% 139 139 13.06 0.63%
    Demon Roach 1665 0.34% 699 420 3.96 1.89%
    Oracle of Sunken Valley 1659 0.34% 110 110 15.08 0.50%
    Hel 1422 0.29% 86 84 16.93 0.38%
    Bozzok 1408 0.29% 135 134 10.51 0.60%
    Bureaucratic Deva 1401 0.29% 73 73 19.19 0.33%
    Thog 1397 0.28% 364 363 3.85 1.64%
    Andromeda 1394 0.28% 134 134 10.40 0.60%
    Roy's Archon 1298 0.26% 186 186 6.98 0.84%
    Exarch of Hel 1281 0.26% 149 149 8.60 0.67%
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    Quote Originally Posted by Yxylu View Post
    (I'm trying to make it read-only - I'm showing my age, in that I needed to ask my son to help get the settings right).
    Luckily, you started with the correct settings. Didn't even need my help!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ron Miel View Post
    It's my understanding that, for example, this went up on the main page occasionally when the Giant was unwell. And cartoons such as this are fun.

    Are they included in the count? Should they be?




    But the point is that both of them are listed as appearing in #864. Do we want that? Shouldn't it be one or the other?

    Sorry if I didn't make that clear.

    I think that #864 is an appearance of Rich Burlew appearing in costume, as it were, as Sir Thumb the Digit Knight. Just as when Nale appeared disguised as Elan it counted as an appearance of both Nale and Elan, Rich Burlew appearing as Sir Thumb counts as an appearance of both, as they are separate characters.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Ron Miel View Post
    No, I understand why Sir Thumb is a separate character, and I agree with it.

    But the point is, you are also saying it's Rich Burlew's thumb, so it's an appearance of Rich Burlew. It's the double counting that I disagree with.

    The way I see it, the character 'Sir Thumb' appears in #864, and separate character 'Rich Burlew' does not appear.
    Sir Thumb is only the thumb though, rest of the hand is Rich Burlew.

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    For 1202 - Cloud Commuting

    Andromeda (ETA +1) +1
    Bandana Secundus +1 +1
    Belkar Bitterleaf +1 +1
    Blackwing +1 +1
    Carol +1 +1
    Durkon Thundershield +1 +1
    Elan +1 +1
    Felix +1 +1
    Haley Starshine +1 +1
    Kwesi +1
    Lutey the Lute-tastical Lute* +1 +1
    Mateo +1
    Minrah Shaleshoe +1 +1
    Mr. Scruffy +1
    O’aka XXIII +1
    Ozzie +1
    Roy Greenhilt +1 +1
    Vaarsuvius +1 +1

    I didn’t differentiate between the cloud form and the regular form for the Order, but if that’s a thing, those forms get +1 +1.

    *I don’t care if other people don’t. I’m counting Lutey.
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    Hooray, a new strip!

    Quote Originally Posted by Yxylu View Post
    For 1202 - Cloud Commuting

    Andromeda +1
    Bandana Secundus +1 +1
    Belkar Bitterleaf +1 +1
    Blackwing +1 +1
    Carol +1 +1
    Durkon Thundershield +1 +1
    Elan +1 +1
    Felix +1 +1
    Haley Starshine +1 +1
    Kwesi +1
    Lutey the Lute-tastical Lute* +1 +1
    Mateo +1
    Minrah Shaleshoe +1 +1
    Mr. Scruffy +1
    O’aka XXIII +1
    Ozzie +1
    Roy Greenhilt +1 +1
    Vaarsuvius +1 +1

    I didn’t differentiate between the cloud form and the regular form for the Order, but if that’s a thing, those forms get +1 +1.

    *I don’t care if other people don’t. I’m counting Lutey.
    I'm glad I have your count to check against, because that's not quite what I got.

    On page 1 I see Blackwing, O’aka XXIII, Haley, Bandana, Vaarsuvius, Durkon, Minrah, Elan, Belkar, Carol, Roy, Felix, Mr. Scruffy and Andromeda. On page 2 I see Kwesi, Carol, Andromeda, Bandana, Felix, Ozzie, Roy, Haley, Elan, Belkar, Vaarsuvius, Durkon, Minrah and Blackwing. That gives me the following count:

    Blackwing (+1), O’aka XXIII, Haley Starshine (+1), Bandana Secundus (+1), Vaarsuvius (+1), Durkon Allotrope Thundershield (+1), Minrah Elle Shaleshoe (+1), Elan (+1), Belkar Bitterleaf (+1), Carol (+1), Roy Greenhilt (+1), Felix (+1), Mr. Scruffy, Kwesi, Andromeda (+1), Ozzie

    This is mostly the same as yours, but with two discrepancies: I don't see Mateo anywhere and I think Andromeda has an appearance on both pages. If you zoom in on the last panel of the first page, you can see a figure with something on its head, somewhat to the right of Bandana and Felix. I don't think it can be Ozzie, so it must be Andi.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Emanick View Post
    Hooray, a new strip!

    This is mostly the same as yours, but with two discrepancies: I don't see Mateo anywhere and I think Andromeda has an appearance on both pages. If you zoom in on the last panel of the first page, you can see a figure with something on its head, somewhat to the right of Bandana and Felix. I don't think it can be Ozzie, so it must be Andi.
    I saw the one towards the middle of the ship as O’aka XXIII, with Bandana, Felix, and Carol at the railing, and Mateo at the wheel in that panel. I could be wrong though. They get pretty pixelated when I zoom in.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Yxylu View Post
    I saw the one towards the middle of the ship as O’aka XXIII, with Bandana, Felix, and Carol at the railing, and Mateo at the wheel in that panel. I could be wrong though. They get pretty pixelated when I zoom in.
    I'm about halfway in between these two, I do believe what you saw as Mateo is correct, and what Emanick saw was Andi, because she does have red on her head and closely I see a little bit of yellow on her.
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    I recognize that Conservation of Detail is Overrated, but I find the event that I am using as evidence for my theory above important enough/given enough focus to qualify for what I call Elan’s Exception, “Who wastes perfectly good foreshadowing like that?”. Also I have never correctly predicted any event in any piece of media so take this theory with a grain of salt (I call this Peelee’s Ye Old Reminder).

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    Quote Originally Posted by Schroeswald View Post
    I'm about halfway in between these two, I do believe what you saw as Mateo is correct, and what Emanick saw was Andi, because she does have red on her head and closely I see a little bit of yellow on her.
    You convinced me. I updated my count.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Schroeswald View Post
    I'm about halfway in between these two, I do believe what you saw as Mateo is correct, and what Emanick saw was Andi, because she does have red on her head and closely I see a little bit of yellow on her.
    I think you're right. I can't tell who that figure is, but it does look like it could be Mateo, and since I think that's where the ship's wheel is, it makes sense that it's him.

    I'll update the OP with this once my current D&D session ends.

    Edit: Done. Carol is now officially a Secondary Character. Seems wrong somehow; she doesn't even really have a personality. Maybe we should consider raising the threshold for qualifying as a "Secondary Character" to 30 appearances?

    Updated through 1202
    Andromeda (+1), Bandana Secundus (+1), Belkar Bitterleaf (+1), Blackwing (+1), Carol (+1), Durkon Allotrope Thundershield (+1), Elan (+1), Felix (+1), Haley Starshine (+1), Kwesi, Mateo, Minrah Elle Shaleshoe (+1), Mr. Scruffy, O’aka XXIII, Ozzie, Roy Greenhilt (+1), Vaarsuvius (+1)
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    sorry this is not my business and offtopic but I was so surprised to read here that Martianmister passed away. because I see her on still posting on other sites (marshiyanmisuta on bulbagarden forums and martianmister on serebii). I don't know if she's the same person but maybe you do, thought you would like to know.

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    Carol is now officially a Secondary Character. Seems wrong somehow; she doesn't even really have a personality. Maybe we should consider raising the threshold for qualifying as a "Secondary Character" to 30 appearances?
    Seems reasonable. How about...

    Major: 60+
    Secondary: 30 - 59
    Supporting: 20 - 29
    Recurring: 11 - 19 (If you're feeling ambitious, make it 10 - 19).

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    Quote Originally Posted by teems View Post
    sorry this is not my business and offtopic but I was so surprised to read here that Martianmister passed away. because I see her on still posting on other sites (marshiyanmisuta on bulbagarden forums and martianmister on serebii). I don't know if she's the same person but maybe you do, thought you would like to know.
    The only info we have is a post by someone who claimed to be her brother asking to have all of her information taken down from this site since she had passed away. Any other conversations took place by DM. I don't know if anyone knew who she was IRL, so I guess we are just operating on the assumption that the post was not a bad joke. Those other accounts might not be the same person; given the situation I think we have to live with the ambiguity, unless you have additional information.

    In the case of Wrecan, his identity in the real world was known publicly at least after he died.
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    I did a cursory look, and found some connections, but they're tenuous. There's too much unknown to make a call on it. And at least one of the accounts is complaining about being harassed on multiple sites, so I'd recommend not worrying about it, lest we wind up witch-hunting someone who isn't involved, or worse, suffered a loss.
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    I did my own search just now and found a bunch of random stuff, but nothing particularly helpful. The most I feel comfortable saying is that there is almost definitely more than one person named martianmister on the Internet, and that our martianmister definitely has an interest in editing other wikis, but since she ran this thread for some time, that's really not surprising.

    I would love for martianmister to still be alive, but it does seem inappropriate to risk harassing anyone who may be grief-stricken on what is basically a glorified hunch at this point. If anyone can think of a way to find some more definitive evidence without harassing anyone, that would be good, but right now I can't.
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    From a practical standpoint, the important thing is that martianmister is not with us anymore. Whether "us" means "people on this forum" or "everyone" isn't really relevant. Someone needs to manage the thread since MM isn't around.
    It would be fantastic news if she turned out alive and well, but there's no point holding your breath waiting for her to come back.

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    Belkar
    Blackwing
    Durkon
    Elan
    Greyview
    Haley
    Hinjo
    Minrah
    Oona
    Roy
    Therkla 😍
    Vaarsuvius
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    Also, Belkar, Roy, Elan, Haley and V are in two pages
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    And all of the humanoid members of the Order have an alteration "as Wind Walking" or "as gaseous". We're still tracking alterations due to magic, right?
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    Updated through 1203
    Belkar Bitterleaf (+1) (as cloud), Blackwing, Durkon Allotrope Thundershield (as cloud), Elan (+1) (as cloud), Greyview, Haley Starshine (+1) (as cloud), Hinjo, Minrah Elle Shaleshoe (as cloud), Oona, Roy Greenhilt (+1) (as cloud), Therkla, Vaarsuvius (+1) (as cloud)

    As I did last time, I listed the whole Order as one entity in the Alternate Magical Forms section, under "The Order of the Stick as Clouds." That seems tidier than breaking them out into seven different entries, but if others feel strongly about it, I can switch up how they're listed.
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    So this is super-nitpicky, but:

    Comic 50 is listed as the first appearance of Tarquin's intelligent axe Soul-Muncher, but the axe he has there doesn't have the red runes Soul-Muncher does. And while that might otherwise qualify as an art upgrade, we actually do see Tarquin's original appearance artistically upgraded in Comic 725, and his axe still has no runes. I'm inclined to think it's not Soul-Muncher and the implication is that he acquired it sometime between then and the present.

    I think I brought this up once before, but I don't recall what was said in response.
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    I think when Rich drew #50 he had no conception of Soul Muncher yet. But I do think that the axe in #50 is Soul Muncher. I think he took the axe he drew in the original comic and elaborated on it. When he decided it would be a Stormbringer/Mournblade homage, he added the runes to make it a runeblade like the swords in the Moorcock books.

    This is all just conjecture, but my personal opinion is that it is Soul Muncher, though not fully conceptualized yet, and it should count as an appearance of that character.
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    Quote Originally Posted by ti'esar View Post
    So this is super-nitpicky, but:

    Comic 50 is listed as the first appearance of Tarquin's intelligent axe Soul-Muncher, but the axe he has there doesn't have the red runes Soul-Muncher does. And while that might otherwise qualify as an art upgrade, we actually do see Tarquin's original appearance artistically upgraded in Comic 725, and his axe still has no runes. I'm inclined to think it's not Soul-Muncher and the implication is that he acquired it sometime between then and the present.

    I think I brought this up once before, but I don't recall what was said in response.
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    I think when Rich drew #50 he had no conception of Soul Muncher yet. But I do think that the axe in #50 is Soul Muncher. I think he took the axe he drew in the original comic and elaborated on it. When he decided it would be a Stormbringer/Mournblade homage, he added the runes to make it a runeblade like the swords in the Moorcock books.

    This is all just conjecture, but my personal opinion is that it is Soul Muncher, though not fully conceptualized yet, and it should count as an appearance of that character.
    I think I find knag's case a bit more convincing. The axe in #50 and #725 is exactly the same unique shape as Soul-Muncher; it would be quite a coincidence if said axe's close resemblance to Soul-Muncher was a mere coincidence. I suppose you could argue that the weapon may have been upgraded into a magical, sentient item between the flashback panels in #50 and #725 and the present day, in which case Soul-Muncher would not yet be a character in those flashback panels, but my understanding is that most intelligent magical items in D&D are intelligent from the moment of creation; they don't often acquire intelligence in the process of being upgraded from, say, a +2 greataxe from a +5 greataxe.

    I guess I could be convinced otherwise, though, especially if my understanding of how intelligent magical items work in D&D is flatly wrong. Almost all I know on the subject comes from reading a few manuals and a couple dozen R.A. Salvatore books as a preteen/teenager; maybe there's a broader literature out there that suggests something entirely different.
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    I find that position convincing. Taking a brief look, I noticed the axe Thog used as the Champion, despite some similarities, has a distinctly different shape, which does suggest that it's meant to be a unique design and not just a particular style of axe.
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    He might be the village shaman.
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    He might be the village shaman.
    The bugbear is from #1036, panel 2.

    Also, would it be possible to link to the other iterations of this thread in the FAQ section? There are links to some of the older ones, but not the more recent ones (IV, V, VI).
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