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    Quote Originally Posted by Valmark View Post
    I think it's because instead of using " you used and .
    Yeah, I know, the site is picky :p
    Makes sense. Xihirli

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    Quote Originally Posted by bc56 View Post
    That's actually a good point. Xihirli definitely doesn't feel like a townie to me, whereas I could believe Valmark is a mistaken townie. No real contributions to the discussion, and voted early without changing it means she's either very confident in her choice or doesn't care who gets killed as long as it's not her faction.
    Or maybe I don't care who gets killed at all.
    Maybe I'm playing a totally different game, one your mortals can only be pieces in.
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    Supagoof took the most blows and incidentally took exactly the same damage Xihirli inflicted.
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    Xihirli: Being a better target since 2015.
    Quote Originally Posted by Elenna View Post
    Xihirli, bastion of murder and betrayal.
    Quote Originally Posted by BasketOfPuppies View Post
    Wow I missed a lot today. So, kill Xihirli?
    Quote Originally Posted by Iceseer View Post
    I really wanted what Xihirli said to be true though.
    Quote Originally Posted by Snowblaze View Post
    You can trust her to be completely insane; and probably to backstab you.
    Quote Originally Posted by flat_footed View Post
    I still prefer to see you as the dagger hanging over us all, Xi.

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    Unavenger? You there?

    Re: the flimsiness of the bc theory, it's not super strong, but nobody has presented a stronger theory, and I've been kinda busy the last day or two and haven't had time to go over things in detail myself.
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    Quote Originally Posted by bc56 View Post
    I think that at the very least Valmark, probably Aventine, and maybe you are scum trying to protect Lord Athos, since he's the one I picked while placeholding.
    Yeah, this is definitely not a stronger theory (and not just because I know I'm not scum). It was one joke vote, which was pretty clearly not going to turn into an actual wagon. There was no reason for scum to try to protect him at all.

    Re: flatfooted, I feel like actual scum trying to lie low would at least make sure to vote each day. Not voting just makes it super obvious that you aren't posting. So for what it's worth, I assume they're legitimately too busy to read the thread. Of course, they could be busy scum just as easily as busy town, but I'm considering it non-indicative.

    Re: Xihirli, IDEK she's Xihirli. I'd be fine with her getting lynched, but I'd rather test Valmark's Duck/bc/trtl theory first since that actually gives us information about more than one person.
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    Ugh, for some reason I thought that day's end was tomorrow, not today. Oops.

    DAY 3 END

    Please hold while votes are tallied.

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    Buffer post because I want to get the notification ASAP.
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    Valmark voted BC56
    Xihirli voted VALMARK
    Elenna voted BC56
    Apogee1 voted XIHIRLI
    Duck999 voted XIHIRLI
    flat_footed REFUSED TO TAKE PART IN THE CORRUPT INSTITUTION OF DEMOCRACY
    BasketOfPuppies REFUSED TO TAKE PART IN THE CORRUPT INSTITUTION OF DEMOCRACY
    JoyWonderLove REFUSED TO TAKE PART IN THE CORRUPT INSTITUTION OF DEMOCRACY
    bc56 voted XIHIRLI
    trtl voted FLAT_FOOTED
    Logan1996 voted BC56
    Lord Athos voted FLAT_FOOTED
    CaomhinTheCape voted BC56
    Aventine voted BC56

    bc56 recieved 5 votes
    Valmark recieved 1 vote.
    Xihirli recieved 3 votes.
    flat_footed recieved 2 votes.
    3 players refused to take part in the corrupt institution of democracy.

    bc56 died today. He was lynched. bc56's role was Alien Researcher.

    NIGHT 3 START
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    Mhmh, not too good, not bad. I wish Bc had been Mafia or Werewolf, but finding the Mindslaver also means one less night kill, so I'm satisfied. Although, Cultists are arguably worst since they can grow in numbers with time.

    - - - Updated - - -

    (I know Bc56 wasn't the Mindslaver, but if we can get good info from there we can find them)
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    I literally arrived in time to see that I don't have time to vote. Not that it would have made any difference...

    To be clear, I would have jumped on the wagon anyway and voted for bc56, not because he was especially the most suspect person ever in my eyes (no one 90-100% really flags up for me), but because I think Valmark is on to something with his idea of a trio. The only other connects that exist (as I said about 2 posts of mine ago) are potentially a team of Caohimn and Duck. Anyway, in my opinion, if bc56 is an Alien, the chances are reasonable that we now all know who the potential other aliens are. Yes, I could be wrong about that, but I'm making this post for future reference. If one of them does get voted off in the future as well, it might be really useful to see that the pattern does exist after all and Valmark is right (which I'm honestly guessing he is).

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    I know I'm supposed to be dead, but I'm pretty sure you miscounted.

    At the very least, flat_footed also voted for Xihirli, and I count only 4 votes for myself.
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    Quote Originally Posted by bc56 View Post
    I know I'm supposed to be dead, but I'm pretty sure you miscounted.

    At the very least, flat_footed also voted for Xihirli, and I count only 4 votes for myself.
    Yes and no. If I calculated correctly, Xihirli's at 5 votes and you are at 5, so due to the tie rules you're still dead.

    But it is true that the votes were miscounted, now that you said that. I hadn't payed attention since I only checked who died and it looked correct to my own counts. I'll count them again to be safe though.
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    This is why we make our votes nice and clear so they can't be missed when I'm looking through. >.>

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    Valmark 1 (Xihirli)
    Xihirli 4 (Duck999, flat_footed, bc56, apogee1)
    bc56 5 (Valmark, Elenna, Aventine, Caoimhin, Logan1996)
    flat_footed 2 (Lord Athos, trtl)

    Right, this should be correct and I was wrong, it's not even a tie with 4 votes on Xi and 5 on bc.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Unavenger View Post
    bc56's role was Alien Researcher
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    DukeGod as well.
    I still don't feel like voting for Duck.
    Favors lynching DukeGod over Duck


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    You're new and I already like you. We need more players like this.
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    Quote Originally Posted by bc56 View Post
    After a brief hiatus, I'm back, and I'm going to vote for CaoimhinTheCape. That no lynch vote is super suspicious.
    Favors lynching Cape over Duke or Duck


    Quote Originally Posted by bc56 View Post
    *Gasp*
    The dead speak!?

    Necromancy!

    Placeholder vote on Lord Athos for having a name that sounds like a necromancer's.
    "Placeholder vote." Could be a distancing attempt, leaving the vote up as long as he can get away with it, then switching off if he needs to, with the already set up excuse of it just being a placeholder


    Quote Originally Posted by bc56 View Post
    C'mon people, seriously?
    I posted a joke vote while I read through the discussion more closely.

    But since you guys are gunning for me, I guess for now I'll move to the largest other wagon for now, which will be Valmark since he's targeting me, and I'm no wolf, which means he probably is.
    Self-preservation. Choosing Valmark over Xihirli. That might just be OMGUS though


    Quote Originally Posted by bc56 View Post
    Well, Valmark.
    Let's go back to the discards, shall we?

    It is a reasonable assumption that a player is unlikely to be either of the things on their discarded card. (It's not impossible, but the fact that you discarded those means you didn't want them. )

    Valmark discarded Town Protective, which makes it unlikely that he is town or protective (although possible, given the chance of duplicates)

    I, on the other hand, discarded Mafia Innocent, which makes me unlikely to be mafia or Innocent-looking. Just in terms of probability, I am less likely to be scum.

    Furthermore, given the large number of town discards, I believe there are far more scum than townies, reducing the odds of townies voting for each other by a significant amount.
    Therefore, I suspect the people who jumped on the wagon against me quickly on flimsy grounds of being a scum faction.
    Valmark, Elenna, and Aventine, this means you.
    Tries to make Valmark, Elenna and myself look suspicious for voting for him.


    Quote Originally Posted by bc56 View Post
    Well then, maybe you can explain to me why a joke vote that I literally said was a placeholder in its post is such a big deal.

    I think that at the very least Valmark, probably Aventine, and maybe you are scum trying to protect Lord Athos, since he's the one I picked while placeholding.
    A strange accusation. But it could just be desperation at that point


    Quote Originally Posted by bc56 View Post
    That's actually a good point. Xihirli definitely doesn't feel like a townie to me, whereas I could believe Valmark is a mistaken townie. No real contributions to the discussion, and voted early without changing it means she's either very confident in her choice or doesn't care who gets killed as long as it's not her faction.
    Self-preservation: the Valmark wagon isn't taking off


    Conclusions:
    -decent chance Duck is an alien
    -weak possibility Lord Athos is an alien
    -possibility Xihirli is an alien
    -Neither Valmark nor Elenna are likely to be aliens

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    I am not an alien. Beep boop and such.
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    Supagoof took the most blows and incidentally took exactly the same damage Xihirli inflicted.
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    Xihirli: Being a better target since 2015.
    Quote Originally Posted by Elenna View Post
    Xihirli, bastion of murder and betrayal.
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    Wow I missed a lot today. So, kill Xihirli?
    Quote Originally Posted by Iceseer View Post
    I really wanted what Xihirli said to be true though.
    Quote Originally Posted by Snowblaze View Post
    You can trust her to be completely insane; and probably to backstab you.
    Quote Originally Posted by flat_footed View Post
    I still prefer to see you as the dagger hanging over us all, Xi.

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    Jesus dude, I feel like you're constantly around to object to my theories.

    New theory: we are scum-buddies together?

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    YES. That one!
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    Supagoof took the most blows and incidentally took exactly the same damage Xihirli inflicted.
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    Xihirli: Being a better target since 2015.
    Quote Originally Posted by Elenna View Post
    Xihirli, bastion of murder and betrayal.
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    Wow I missed a lot today. So, kill Xihirli?
    Quote Originally Posted by Iceseer View Post
    I really wanted what Xihirli said to be true though.
    Quote Originally Posted by Snowblaze View Post
    You can trust her to be completely insane; and probably to backstab you.
    Quote Originally Posted by flat_footed View Post
    I still prefer to see you as the dagger hanging over us all, Xi.

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    You find three corpses with uncannily similar knife wounds on them, and a fourth that's simply been torn to pieces. You wonder what sort of person could do this to a fellow human.

    You take a closer look at two of the bodies. They are not human.


    Apogee1 died last night. He was torn to pieces. Apogee1's role was alien mindslaver
    Duck999 died last night. He was killed with a single stab. Duck999's role was alien vigilante
    Valmark died last night. He was killed with a single stab. Valmark's role was mafia universal backup
    Aventine died last night. He was killed with a single stab. Aventine's role was cult secret agent

    DAY 4 START

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    I am a Town Jack-of All Trades. I used my scry last night.
    Elenna is a werewolf.
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    Xihirli: Being a better target since 2015.
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    Xihirli, bastion of murder and betrayal.
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    Wow I missed a lot today. So, kill Xihirli?
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    I really wanted what Xihirli said to be true though.
    Quote Originally Posted by Snowblaze View Post
    You can trust her to be completely insane; and probably to backstab you.
    Quote Originally Posted by flat_footed View Post
    I still prefer to see you as the dagger hanging over us all, Xi.

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    Elenna

    I was a bit suspicious of Valmark, but I'm willing to test the claim.
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    Well, do I have good news for you!
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    Xihirli: Being a better target since 2015.
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    Xihirli, bastion of murder and betrayal.
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    Wow I missed a lot today. So, kill Xihirli?
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    I really wanted what Xihirli said to be true though.
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    You can trust her to be completely insane; and probably to backstab you.
    Quote Originally Posted by flat_footed View Post
    I still prefer to see you as the dagger hanging over us all, Xi.

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    Don't have much time to read through right now, but I'll vote Elenna. With 9 people and who knows how many factions xihiril's claim seems legit.


    Also, looking at the kill:
    • the wolf kill is accounted for.
    • Mafia kill accounted for (one of the three).
    • Alien mindslaver killed a mafioso with the mafia kill.
    • But what about the third mafioso kill? is there a second mindslaver taking the ability of the same person? EDIT: Alien JOAT may fit better as we didn't have so many killings on previous nights. Same point though.



    No kill from the alien vig?


    EDIT 2: Because Valmark died a universal backup, there's at least one more mafia member.

    EDIT 3: Mafia Strongman. Right. EDIT 2 wasn't much of a revelation then.
    Last edited by CaoimhinTheCape; 2020-05-17 at 12:15 PM.

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    Editing this post to get the colored text on mobile. XihirlI.
    Last edited by BasketOfPuppies; 2020-05-18 at 12:32 AM.

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    I don't have the memory for a liar.
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    Xihirli: Being a better target since 2015.
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    Xihirli, bastion of murder and betrayal.
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    Wow I missed a lot today. So, kill Xihirli?
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    I really wanted what Xihirli said to be true though.
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    You can trust her to be completely insane; and probably to backstab you.
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    I still prefer to see you as the dagger hanging over us all, Xi.

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    Elenna, then.

    3 Mafia kills is strange. Universal backup seems unlikely, since Mindslaver only died this night. How did this happen?

    Edit: okay, so... we had an alien vigilante, who... did not kill anybody? That seems weird. A faction who knows who its members are that doesn't use their night kill. Why shouldn't they?
    Last edited by Lord Athos; 2020-05-17 at 01:35 PM.

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    Xihirli. Because they're lying. I'm a town vig.

    Normally I wouldn't expect people to test a seer claim by lynching the seer. But Xihirli isn't claiming seer, they're claiming JOAT. Think about it - if you kill Xihirli and she's town, all you're losing is a JOAT who's already used up what is probably their most useful power. If you kill me, you're losing the ability for town to get one extra kill a night. We saw how useful that was for town to end the game quickly in HP Werewolf.

    Also, which of us has been more useful discussion-wise? I've been suggesting lynch targets and looking for scum. Xihirli has been messing around and casting random joke votes. I think the answer to that question is pretty obvious.

    Also also, can you really imagine Xihirli, bastion of murder and betrayal, choosing to play as town?

    ---

    Some other comments that aren't related to my possible lynch:

    Why the heck are there three mafia kills? Do we have two alien mindslavers in play? Now that I think about it, mindslaver sounds like a fun role, I would probably have picked it if I had that option. I could believe there being two of them. Maybe one of the aliens just got lucky night 2, and then last night they both knew to mindslave the same person.
    Actually, just saw Caoimhin's edit. Alien JOAT would also make sense.

    Very confused about why the alien vig never actually killed anyone. Unless that weird thing with the sign N1 was the alien vig? Still not sure why they didn't kill N2, though.

    Cool, the wolves found (one of?) the alien mindslaver(s?). Getting rid of a NK is always nice.

    Looks like Valmark's theory about bc and Duck being allied was correct. Time to take a closer look at trtl, maybe? Just because Valmark wasn't town doesn't mean their theories were necessarily incorrect - they wanted to kill the alien faction too.

    Speaking of Valmark - universal backup? They didn't get a power yet? Have there really been no mafia deaths before this?

    Also, there were apparently three cultists to start with. OTOH, I'm pretty sure at this point that we started with a fairly small town faction, so they had a pretty low chance of successfully converting each night.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Elenna View Post
    Xihirli, bastion of murder and betrayal
    I am insulted that nobody has called me this yet.
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    Supagoof took the most blows and incidentally took exactly the same damage Xihirli inflicted.
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    Xihirli: Being a better target since 2015.
    Quote Originally Posted by Elenna View Post
    Xihirli, bastion of murder and betrayal.
    Quote Originally Posted by BasketOfPuppies View Post
    Wow I missed a lot today. So, kill Xihirli?
    Quote Originally Posted by Iceseer View Post
    I really wanted what Xihirli said to be true though.
    Quote Originally Posted by Snowblaze View Post
    You can trust her to be completely insane; and probably to backstab you.
    Quote Originally Posted by flat_footed View Post
    I still prefer to see you as the dagger hanging over us all, Xi.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Lord Athos View Post
    Elenna, then.

    3 Mafia kills is strange. Universal backup seems unlikely, since Mindslaver only died this night. How did this happen?

    Edit: okay, so... we had an alien vigilante, who... did not kill anybody? That seems weird. A faction who knows who its members are that doesn't use their night kill. Why shouldn't they?

    Probably blocked.

    Elenna is a wolf? That makes some sense I guess. Wonder what Xi is.

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    I told you already.
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    Xihirli: Being a better target since 2015.
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    Xihirli, bastion of murder and betrayal.
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    Wow I missed a lot today. So, kill Xihirli?
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    I really wanted what Xihirli said to be true though.
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    You can trust her to be completely insane; and probably to backstab you.
    Quote Originally Posted by flat_footed View Post
    I still prefer to see you as the dagger hanging over us all, Xi.

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    Nvm. No one will listen.

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    Default Re: Crazy Idea Mafia

    That was my nickname in middle school.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Zar Peter View Post
    Supagoof took the most blows and incidentally took exactly the same damage Xihirli inflicted.
    Quote Originally Posted by Silent_Interim View Post
    Xihirli: Being a better target since 2015.
    Quote Originally Posted by Elenna View Post
    Xihirli, bastion of murder and betrayal.
    Quote Originally Posted by BasketOfPuppies View Post
    Wow I missed a lot today. So, kill Xihirli?
    Quote Originally Posted by Iceseer View Post
    I really wanted what Xihirli said to be true though.
    Quote Originally Posted by Snowblaze View Post
    You can trust her to be completely insane; and probably to backstab you.
    Quote Originally Posted by flat_footed View Post
    I still prefer to see you as the dagger hanging over us all, Xi.

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