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    Quote Originally Posted by Lord Athos View Post
    No need to apologise.

    So, stupid question, and maybe stating the obvious here - the innocent role does one thing, it removes votes from you and shows others that you are town. It protects you from a lynch. So why only claim innocent and not "reveal" it? It's not like you need it to prevent lynching after you have revealed yourself any more, since you are already confirmed town. If an innocent joins the cult, a Cult Secret Agent cannot use it to prevent lynching anyway, can they?

    Edit: okay. I guess the idea is to be able to confirm later on that you are still town and haven't been switched by the Cult, correct?
    More or less. Either that or Unavenger just hasn’t been online since AV claimed.

    Incidentally, there are now tied wagons, if my vote count is correct, and you’re on neither. Going to break the tie?
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    I'll switch. DukeGod.

    What are the odds Duck is a lying cheat twice in a row?
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    Sorry, I lied. Accidentally. Duck is on six now, DukeGod on eight. I'm sure something can be deduced from this, but what?
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    Quote Originally Posted by BasketOfPuppies View Post
    In AV’s defense, I was dealt two Town cards, so she might’ve been dealt two as well. However, I’ve seen what AV does to games and don’t want to deal with that right now.
    By the rules of this game, AV is forbidden from AVing her way to victory.

    Also, mmm, I'd join the DukeGod's wagon, but there are plenty of people on it. Guess I'll kepp the counter going.

    - - - Updated - - -

    (Also, it's been nine hours since AV's reveal. I'm thinking a bluff, but we'll see)

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    Hmm. Actually, looking at the OP, it says you're supposed to post "REVEAL: INNOCENT CHILD" whereas AV posted "REVEAL: TOWN INNOCENT".

    (This is not an Innocent Child reveal from me. I am not an innocent child, I am a cultist perfectly normal townie.)

    @Unavenger, will the exact wording of the reveal affect whether you confirm them or not?
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    Hum. I could have sworn it was "Claim: Town Innocent" even, but turns out I misremembered. Which does raise that question.

    If the wording is important, did AV choose her wording deliberately, and if so, to what end?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Lord Athos View Post
    Hum. I could have sworn it was "Claim: Town Innocent" even, but turns out I misremembered. Which does raise that question.

    If the wording is important, did AV choose her wording deliberately, and if so, to what end?
    Yes, probably l. I can't see AV accidentally using the wrong wording, although it's possible. And presumably to the end of not being lynched, whether they're actually an innocent child or not.
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    I have nothing to tell you people.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Unavenger View Post
    I have nothing to tell you people.
    Well {scrubbed}.

    I never changed my vote, but just to reiterate, AvatarVecna
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    Quote Originally Posted by Unavenger View Post
    I have nothing to tell you people.
    If, hypothetically, an Innocent Child posted “REVEAL: TOWN INNOCENT”, would you confirm them?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Snowblaze View Post
    And presumably to the end of not being lynched, whether they're actually an innocent child or not.
    Well, she should know using almost the correct wording but not quite would make us suspicious rather than accepting in contrast to simply outright stating it's a claim rather than a reveal.
    Which would be true for wolf/cult as well, of course, so... weird.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Snowblaze View Post
    If, hypothetically, an Innocent Child posted “REVEAL: TOWN INNOCENT”, would you confirm them?
    Yes, I would. It's the intention that counts, not the wording.

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    Alright, so the votes on AV didn't drop (though most people have changed them) in that case, this is what the tally looks like right now:

    2 AvatarVecna (Basket of Puppies, trtl)
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    0 Xihirli
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    0 Elenna
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    6 Duck999 (Valmark, JoyWonderLove, Snowblaze, Xihirli, AvatarVecna, DukeGod)
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    0 Smasher0404
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    0 JoyWonderLove
    0 bc56
    0 Kgato503
    1 Trtl (CaoimhinTheCape)
    1 Logan1996 (kgato503)
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    0 CaomhinTheCape
    0 Aventine
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    ...AvatarVecna.
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    God I'm laughing so hard for this xD

    AvatarVecna, because until now lynching confirmed liars never failed me, assuming they weren't confirmed Town. And she isn't.

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    Storms you people used to be more fun. Or maybe I have too many nostalgia of the werewolf games from years ago

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    Quote Originally Posted by DukeGod View Post
    Storms you people used to be more fun. Or maybe I have too many nostalgia of the werewolf games from years ago
    Storms meaning?

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    AvatarVecna. Huh, did not expect that.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Valmark View Post
    Storms meaning?
    Just swearing I picked up to not overuse the more common swear words, gotta leave those for impact you know. I blame Sanderson

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    If one more person switches from DukeGod to AV in the next 45 minutes we can still lunch AV...
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    Quote Originally Posted by Aventine View Post
    I prefer people committing to a wagon rather than making random off-wagon singleton votes. But that was early in day one. This feels like trying to make something out of nothing.

    Also, by my count, DukeGod broke a tie between AV and Duck. I like counter-wagons, and so am willing to join this one in order to have two semi-close again, but pushing a wagon onto DukGod for "jumping unhelpfully on the only big wagon," as Elenna put it, as part of a CFD is very strange reasoning.
    Admittedly, it was a stretch - but given the fact that most of D1 was off-topic banter, any vote which tried to have actual reasoning behind it would be a stretch. It was the most suspicious thing I found.

    If AV had actually been an innocent child, all the votes would have been removed from them as soon as they claimed. So at that point, the votes on AV would have been removed, and the vote count would have been 6 (I think) on Duck versus a bunch of singletons. So yeah, it was a pretty useless vote.

    Quote Originally Posted by smasher0404 View Post
    Because voting for someone is more interesting than voting for a No Lynch , I'm guessing that a blind lynch will likely result in more friendly fire than not Day 1, since non-townies won't back a bandwagon that contains one of their members. Since that intention wasn't clear (if there is still time), I'm changing my vote to the still not very useful No Lynch
    Like Snowblaze said, a D1 vote might be friendly fire, but it does give us information and voting patterns to look at the next day.
    That being said, this does make sense and is a common pattern of thought from new players, so it makes you look better to me.

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    7 AvatarVecna (Basket of Puppies, trtl, Snowblaze, Lord Athos, Valmark, Apogee1, Elenna)
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    Is it weird that I think AV lying was still a town move? Saving themselves while not actually claiming their role? I'll vote Duke God to force a tie again, though I think that still means AV dies. AV's death gives more info immediately but I'm curious to see how night actions would revolve around AV.
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    Quote Originally Posted by CaoimhinTheCape View Post
    Is it weird that I think AV lying was still a town move? Saving themselves while not actually claiming their role? I'll vote Duke God to force a tie again, though I think that still means AV dies. AV's death gives more info immediately but I'm curious to see how night actions would revolve around AV.
    Well, I can't see how this position saves town!AV. They would have known they were just delaying the inevitable by doing this, and as soon as they were proven to be lying this would happen. Much better for them to claim their actual role and live at least until night's end. I can't see any situation where AV flips town here, unless they're just doing all this to mess with us and prove themselves right, in which case I will be very annoyed.
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    Quote Originally Posted by trtl View Post
    If one more person switches from DukeGod to AV in the next 45 minutes we can still lunch AV...
    Yeah! Let's eat her for lunch! No, I'm not a werewolf. Just a cannibal.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Snowblaze View Post
    Well, I can't see how this position saves town!AV. They would have known they were just delaying the inevitable by doing this, and as soon as they were proven to be lying this would happen. Much better for them to claim their actual role and live at least until night's end. I can't see any situation where AV flips town here, unless they're just doing all this to mess with us and prove themselves right, in which case I will be very annoyed.
    The last sentence, "they're just doing that to mess with us and prove themselves right." seems very in character.

    I assumed it would save them, as everyone moved their votes even before the confirmation, and if just one person didn't re-vote AV, they would have been safe with the false claim.

    Come night everyone would know it was a false claim. AV knows that they're in hot water and so they wouldn't be targeted by evil factions. They also would probably be investigated, letting someone else confirm whatever role they have.

    Basically, it's so suspicious that it might not be? Cause there's no way for an evil AV to get out of it.



    Still expecting to see AV flip, but I feel like they would make the same move regardless of alignment.

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    DukeGod here's hoping.


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    AV, now that you're here, you need to claim. I assumed we wouldn't see you this morning. Vote No Lynch unless you can give a good reason AV.

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    Day 1 End

    Please hold for the votes to be counted...

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    Quote Originally Posted by CaoimhinTheCape View Post
    The last sentence, "they're just doing that to mess with us and prove themselves right." seems very in character.

    I assumed it would save them, as everyone moved their votes even before the confirmation, and if just one person didn't re-vote AV, they would have been safe with the false claim.

    Come night everyone would know it was a false claim. AV knows that they're in hot water and so they wouldn't be targeted by evil factions. They also would probably be investigated, letting someone else confirm whatever role they have.

    Basically, it's so suspicious that it might not be? Cause there's no way for an evil AV to get out of it.



    Still expecting to see AV flip, but I feel like they would make the same move regardless of alignment.
    Actually, no, at the time of the confirmation the AV and Duck wagons were tied, with Duck in line to be lynched:
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    Yes, the first line is *absolutely* in character, but even for AV it seems a bit crazy to effectively waste a day, potentially two, of discussion and suspect-finding as town.

    The investigation isn't necessarily reliable since they could be innocent-looking scum and be scried as town anyway. And if I were a Seer I wouldn't scry AV, their alignment would become obvious soon enough without my needing to.

    And scum!AV was likely to be lynched in their position at the time: it could have been a last-ditch attempt to buy themselves a day's life. I know I'd pull that kind of move as scum in that position.
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