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Thread: Crazy Idea Mafia
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2020-05-09, 10:42 AM (ISO 8601)
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Re: Crazy Idea Mafia
.......unless that alien was gac3.
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2020-05-09, 10:46 AM (ISO 8601)
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Re: Crazy Idea Mafia
gac3 was a universal backup, so I don't think he would have had any powers that night to do anything? And I don't see other framing roles or anything like that in the role options part.
I'm going to voteDuck999, based on Valmark's faction theory of Duck/trtl/bc. Don't have anything better to go on so might as well investigate it.Last edited by CaoimhinTheCape; 2020-05-09 at 03:28 PM.
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2020-05-09, 10:48 AM (ISO 8601)
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2020-05-09, 10:50 AM (ISO 8601)
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Re: Crazy Idea Mafia
Could you run that by me one more time, please?
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2020-05-09, 10:53 AM (ISO 8601)
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Re: Crazy Idea Mafia
Universal backups don't have a power unless someone else of their faction dies and if there's only the backup in a faction they get the investigative role.
For aliens it's a scry that reveals role and affiliation.
So gac3 couldn't possibly have been a mindslaver (the alien role that redirects powers)
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2020-05-09, 10:54 AM (ISO 8601)
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2020-05-09, 11:26 AM (ISO 8601)
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Re: Crazy Idea Mafia
I'm caught up.
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2020-05-09, 11:41 AM (ISO 8601)
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Re: Crazy Idea Mafia
So with the talk of mindslaver's I'm interested in how they interact with strongmen, because I don't think it's clear that a strongman could be mindslaved?
Relevant sections from OP:
The language is not clear but I (at least during in-person games) have played that strongmen aren't stopped by roleblockers, and mindslavers share the language of "player cannot activate their ability". Can we get the moderator to weigh in on how (theoretically) a mindslaver targeting a strongman would behave?
Sorry if I'm dragging on about the night phase but we don't have much information so I'm trying to figure out what I can.
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2020-05-09, 11:46 AM (ISO 8601)
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2020-05-09, 11:51 AM (ISO 8601)
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Re: Crazy Idea Mafia
Nah, I got two town cards (she says, knowing that it's a useless statement since anyone who discarded town would say that). I just thought it was an unlikely event and probably hadn't happened to most people, hence my comment on the number of town discards.
Most of the time, the narrator details aren't important. But also, they mostly don't include specific details like signs from one faction, so IDK. I think it's intended to mean something in this game, not sure what though.
The phrasing of the reveals is usually important, i.e. I'd say that "Snowblaze was killed by a knife" is meant to be information we have, not just fluff. (The colour-coding also helps.)
Also, I forgot the aliens didn't have a kill, and also forgot survivor has NK-immune. Maybe an alien role-blocker targeted Snowblaze? Or the mafia strongman and alien vig both targeted Snowblaze, and the role reveal says the mafia killed her because they were the ones actually capable of killing her, but the aliens tried to take credit because they also aimed a kill at her?
@Unavenger: If a universal backup dies after receiving a power, will they be listed in the narration as "universal backup", or as the power they got? Also, is a role-blocker able to block a factional power like nightkill-immune?I'm Chaotic Good! Ish!
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2020-05-09, 11:58 AM (ISO 8601)
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Re: Crazy Idea Mafia
The strongman effect is not an active ability. It's a passive ability which makes the factional kill unblockable. Therefore, the strongman still gets the kill, and the mindslaver's copy effect only copies the kill, not the strongman effect.
The person's original role and death role will be revealed. You'll get a reveal like "They were a town universal backup but died as a cult fanatic", for example.
Roleblockers can block any activated ability, but not a passive ability.Last edited by Unavenger; 2020-05-09 at 11:59 AM.
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2020-05-09, 12:11 PM (ISO 8601)
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Re: Crazy Idea Mafia
Alright so this seems to imply that Aliens either:
a) Also targeted a vig kill (either by them having a vigilante or mindslaving someone) towards Snowblaze that failed, and the mafia also strong-manned Snowblaze
b) Took some other action on Snowblaze
c) Snowblaze scried an alien before dying
Maybe I'm reading too much into the Alien bit, but hey, like Valmark said its not like we have much to go on otherwise.
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2020-05-09, 01:00 PM (ISO 8601)
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Re: Crazy Idea Mafia
We've also confirmed that gac wasn't the only Alien since he was the Universal Backup. Actually it implies...3 more?
(Investigative, Protective and the mindslaver?)
Now, my first vote on Duck999 was purely for personal reasons and it bit me back, but we morons never learn. Still it seems like an actually good target today
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2020-05-09, 01:12 PM (ISO 8601)
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Re: Crazy Idea Mafia
Yup, although flimsy as a theory there are reasons to lynch Duck. And it implies one more alien, not 3 (though there could be 3 more yeah)
Snowblaze scrying one as alien looks weird, though could be. I say looks weird because even if she scried one there would be no reason to think she got killed by aliens.
There again, all the ideas look weird.
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2020-05-09, 01:28 PM (ISO 8601)
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Re: Crazy Idea Mafia
DukeGod at least until he explains why he thought those alien roles exist. Looks like he could have slipped up and gave out info his faction knows that we don't.
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2020-05-09, 01:28 PM (ISO 8601)
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Re: Crazy Idea Mafia
I'm sticking with DukeGod. Yesterday he was on the first wagon then switched to the other when AV's fake claim came in. Today he's still just hopping on the only wagon that isn't him that appears to be forming so far.
Also, how do you see three more aliens? Doesn't Universal Backup only imply at least one more? I could see this just being confusion about the roles though.
Point being, this is a lot of following wagons and not much else.
EDIT: Ninja'd by Apogee. A little suspicious of that vote because it seems like the same kind of following that I'm complaining about DukeGod doing. And out of how DukeGod's been acting, what Apogee pointed out is the one thing that could just be a misunderstanding.Last edited by Duck999; 2020-05-09 at 01:31 PM.
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2020-05-09, 01:47 PM (ISO 8601)
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Re: Crazy Idea Mafia
CaomhinTheCape
I'm going off his decision to vote No Lynch last night, after AV was revealed to be lying.
I know he said that falsely claiming town innocent seemed like a move a town person would make, but I've got two issues with that:
Firstly, I disagree, Town Innocent is one of the best abilities Town has, and introducing a whole bunch of paranoia and distrust around that ability, while also only saving yourself for, at most, one night, seems like a losing strategy in the long run.
Second, lets say CaomhinTheCape is right, or CaomhinTheCape was wrong but genuinely believed he was right. That still doesn't explain a No Lynch vote, if he truly believed AV was innocent, he should have voted for DukeGod and actively tried to save AV.
No Lynch sounds like CaomhinTheCape is in cahoots with both AV and DukeGod
This leaves two options in my mind
1: CaomhinTheCape simply was frozen in analysis paralysis and copped out with No Lynch
2: CaomhinTheCape and DukeGod are both mafia.
I don't know CaomhinTheCape so I can't rule out option 1, but this is the best evidence I've got to go off of.
My second vote would be DukeGod and if CaomhinTheCape looks like a losing wagon, I'll switch to DukeGod.I prefer to think of myself as yellow mold. Step on me, and I'll eventually rot your face off.
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2020-05-09, 01:52 PM (ISO 8601)
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Re: Crazy Idea Mafia
Duck I really don't see how me voting Duke is in any way the "same kind of following". The only other vote on Duke was Valmark who put it there right at the start of the day? I'd barely started a wagon when Duke (like you said) hopped onto wagons towards the end yesterday and is on you today.
Also yeah the thing I pointed out could be a misunderstanding, but I figured the response would probably be telling and we are still in such a low information state any interaction is going to benefit town.
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2020-05-09, 02:22 PM (ISO 8601)
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Re: Crazy Idea Mafia
Mindslaver has already been speculated by us for the "Aliens did this" thing in the night kill
We've established that at least one alien is alive because we're revelead death roles and gac3 had none, so his Backup power didn't activate. If he was the only alien he'd have gotten an investigative power, we've determined that earlier today aswell
What I think I got wrong was that if Alien Seer had never joined the game the backup would get their powers even with the rest of the alien roles alive to get the aliens a full suite of powers. It was a hasty assumption to make
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2020-05-09, 02:54 PM (ISO 8601)
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Re: Crazy Idea Mafia
Thing is, assuming a roughly random distribution, the odds of DukeGod being a member of a non-Town faction goes down the more factions we rule out. He's less likely to be Cultist (if there are any left), because he voted for AvatarVecna before the fake Innocent reveal. He's not a part of bc56/Duck/trtl's hypothetical faction because bc56 cast their vote for DukeGod and the vote went down to the wire. That leaves 3 potential non-town factions of Mafia, Wolves, Aliens, and SK (depending on whether the trio's hypothetical faction is Mafia, Wolves, or Aliens).
That being said, I get the logic in regards to DukeGod jumping on the bandwagon day 1 makes a certain amount of sense (although, today makes sense, since he'd want to stay alive even if he was town).
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I'm going to very temporarily change my vote toNo Lynchwith the contingent that I'll almost certainly change it once I've made up my mind.Last edited by smasher0404; 2020-05-10 at 02:45 PM. Reason: Vote Cancel
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2020-05-09, 02:54 PM (ISO 8601)
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2020-05-09, 03:05 PM (ISO 8601)
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Re: Crazy Idea Mafia
A little confused at a case against me, but to explain:
I didn't think most townies would false claim Town Innocent, but with Avatar Vecna, I'd believe almost anything. So I voted DukeGod to force a tie. At that vote count, AV still dies but my vote puts pressure on both parties, especially if someone else jumps onto either wagon.
Then AV popped in and voted DukeGod without any explanation of their false claim. DukeGod would then have one more vote and be lynched. I didn't like AV's lack of explanation and wanted more info.
The Day was about to end and the only options were AV or DukeGod. I wanted to put down a vote as quickly as possible and picked No Lynch. I knew there was no way a No Lynch would happen given the one or two minutes left in the day, but wanted AV to be the leading wagon. Looking back, I could have sealed it by voting AV but I wrote the first thing that came to mind. Glad I did, as the Day ended a minute later.
So yes, I wanted AV lynched over DukeGod. Between Snow's conversation with me about how it probably wasn't a town move, plus AV's lack of explanation I was happy to lynch AV.
For day 1, I don't have much of a read on DukeGod - Duke starts by voting for AV, moves the vote to Duck after the Town Innocent claim.
Duck's reasoning here makes sense, if DukeGod is just joining the wagon opposite of him. I'd consider voting him, but just before I posted a couple more posts have come in.
Vote: smasher0404. I don't like the No Lynch vote today, even if you plan to change it later. We need to get leads on people by making wagons and voting No Lynch on Day 2 just puts off getting information for town.
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2020-05-09, 03:07 PM (ISO 8601)
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Re: Crazy Idea Mafia
Yes but you can't actually rule them out? As Xi explained, distancing exists and is used. Outright stating that they can't be part of the trio... Makes it more look like you're allied, or that you've got some other info, more then this being just a different pov. DukeGod's lynch is gonna be useful, assuming it happens.
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2020-05-09, 03:11 PM (ISO 8601)
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Re: Crazy Idea Mafia
Duck999 for the reasons listed in these posts. There's this completely childish and silly pat of me that goes 'I can't believe Duck would betray us, his best friends ever, in a Harry Potter game built on friendship and magic!' The more sensible part of me points out that Duck really could be a part of a faction that we're starting to see glimpses of, so let's stop that before it snowballs.
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2020-05-09, 03:18 PM (ISO 8601)
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Re: Crazy Idea Mafia
I am not sure I got enough to go off of yet. But I'll join the DukeGod wagon.
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2020-05-09, 03:32 PM (ISO 8601)
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Re: Crazy Idea Mafia
What confuses you? I'm happy with my reasoning but I could be missing something.
Now I'm confused, if you were happy to lynch AV, you would have voted AV. I have nothing to go on but your word, but I don't see how "the first thing to pop into your mind" would be... nothing?
I dunno, I just don't buy it...
(Also, apparently voting to force a tie doesn't count as an explanation: people suspect me of being in league with Duck999 since I voted AV, also forcing a tie. Not a point against you, but I'd like to know why my accusers see your position and mine as any different...)I prefer to think of myself as yellow mold. Step on me, and I'll eventually rot your face off.
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2020-05-09, 03:34 PM (ISO 8601)
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Re: Crazy Idea Mafia
I'm taking a Scully stance on the "This was done by aliens" thing.
This is reasonably enough, and what I expected for mindslaver and investigative (even if it relies on misunderstanding the argument for why gac would have been investigative). But it still provides no answer for why protective was on that list. So I'll add pressure on DukeGod
But I want to pull back a bit and agree with Caoimhin's response to trtl.
An Innocent Child fake-claim doesn't "introduce a whole bunch of paranoia and distrust around that ability." A true claim will still be narrator confirmed, and we even have precedent now that a fake-claim will be explicitly denied by the narrator, rather than just having the narrator say nothing and let it be implied. It is also a pretty big stretch to say that Innocent is "one of the best abilities Town has." It's useful, and with the right timing can be very useful, but with seers, baners, trackers and role-blockers running around?
The day ended with voting tied at 7-7. Caoimhin's DukeGod vote put him at 7, tied with AV. Then AV added his vote to put DukeGod in the lead with 8. Then Caoimhin switched to No Lynch, making it tied again and thus making AV the lynch target.
Switching off DukeGod to put pressure on AV after he shows up and doesn't even provide another claim seems perfectly reasonable and townie to me.
I can buy a Caoimhin-DukeGod scum-buddies pairing. It would mean Caoimhin's vote for DukeGod would be an ill-advised attempt at distancing that blew up in his face when AV showed up and took the opportunity to push DukeGod into the lead. Then a panicked last minute attempt to save DukeGod. But the logic in trtl's post is too twisted. Trying to make AV's failed fake-claim sound somehow more dangerous than it was, and so make Caoimhin look scummy somehow for believing it. Then trying to make Caoimhin's late day vote(s) look like they are inconsistent with him being townie, when they really aren't. It leaves a feeling of trtl having an ulterior motive here.
Also notice that he claims the No Lynch vote makes it look like Caoimhin, AV and DukeGod are all scum-buddies together. This is just wrong. In that case, the obvious move for Caoimhin is to vote for whoever looks more likely to get killed and hope he gets a lot of town-credit out of bussing before people realize neither wagon was on a townie.
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2020-05-09, 03:37 PM (ISO 8601)
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Re: Crazy Idea Mafia
Funny, because it ended up your own words that made me think it
I thought the reverse might be true, that if the backup was in the game and some power role wasn't the backup would just get the power role
Also, what you say here isn't all that truth. The backup doesn't get the investigative power. Gac would have got an investigative power if he was the only Alien because he discarded an Investigative card, but the rules state that the backup gets the power they discarded if they start as the only member of a faction
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2020-05-09, 03:41 PM (ISO 8601)
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Re: Crazy Idea Mafia
I could have made the vote for AV rather than No Lynch, that is true enough. But it still ended with an AV lynch. If I was working with AV, I would have left my vote on DukeGod and saved AV.
In terms of DukeGod, if I was working with him I wouldn't have bothered voting against him in the first place. Everyone was happy enough to jump on AV for his lie and I could have fell in line to easily save DukeGod and no one would question an AV vote.
If the three of us were all working together I wouldn't have made a big deal out of my vote - I would have just picked a side and tried to keep hidden.
DukeGod 5 (Valmark, Apogee1, Duck999, Logan1996, Aventine)
Duck999 3 (Xihirli, DukeGod, JoyWonderLove)
CaoimhinTheCape 1 (trtl)
smashber0404 1 (CaomhinTheCape)
No Lynch 1 (smasher0404)
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2020-05-09, 03:46 PM (ISO 8601)
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Re: Crazy Idea Mafia
You wanted AV lynched, but the first thing you could think of was to vote No Lynch? Instead of voting to lynch AV? I agree with trtl, that seems really weird.
I'm honestly not sure why a non-town person would do that, unless maybe it was a panicky response to AV, DukeGod, and Caoimhin all being on the same team, but it's so weird that I feel like it's a lie and the real explanation is something he doesn't want known. Hence, votingCaoimhinTheCape.
I do kinda get why DukeGod might have misunderstood the rules and thought that a Universal Backup got any powers that their faction didn't have - there's a lot of abilities, factions, and rules to keep track of. But if the Caoimhin wagon doesn't take off, I'm willing to switch to DukeGod later for his vote yesterday, I guess.Last edited by Elenna; 2020-05-10 at 11:32 PM.
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