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2020-05-10, 12:54 PM (ISO 8601)
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Where does Banjo’s divine powers come from?
I’m guessing it’s from the Azurite gods, but that could potentially just be Elan using his bard spells and pretending otherwise. As at as I can tell, the tour members of the pantheon are Banjo, Banjulthu, Giggles, and Lord Mandolin(possibly non-canon). Lord Mandolin could be in a separate pantheon though, since his eyes have been shown to glow red.
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2020-05-10, 01:20 PM (ISO 8601)
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Re: Where does Banjo’s divine powers come from?
From Elan’s faith.
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2020-05-10, 01:32 PM (ISO 8601)
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Re: Where does Banjo’s divine powers come from?
His "divine powers" are limited to mildly zapping Roy.
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2020-05-10, 01:36 PM (ISO 8601)
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Re: Where does Banjo’s divine powers come from?
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2020-05-10, 01:54 PM (ISO 8601)
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Re: Where does Banjo’s divine powers come from?
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2020-05-10, 02:00 PM (ISO 8601)
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Re: Where does Banjo’s divine powers come from?
Since we know for a fact that the stickverse gods are powered by faith and the OotS world is a bit wacky, PLUS the fact that at least Odin considering letting Banjo join the Northern pantheon, I think that we can consider Banjo an extremely minor diety. He probably gains some power from the orcs too, even though they worship his evil brother. At least the orcs acknowledge him as a god.
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2020-05-10, 02:22 PM (ISO 8601)
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2020-05-10, 02:27 PM (ISO 8601)
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Re: Where does Banjo’s divine powers come from?
Oh, almost certainly, but given that some of that early goofiness has been incorporated into the more serious storyline, it could be a decent explanation if necessary. Similar to how Odin's bad days could explain why he was amenable to having a puppet join the pantheon to begin with, even though that was also just a goofy joke.
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2020-05-10, 03:16 PM (ISO 8601)
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Re: Where does Banjo’s divine powers come from?
Rich incorporated this early installment weirdness into the comic, though, by having the gods be affected by belief. The theology of the comic is designed so that Banjo can be real by virtue of Elan believing in and worshipping him.
Sadly, I don't think Banjo is strong enough to survive the harsh winter betweem worlds.. This is why they must find a way to stop the Snarl this time around. Leave no puppet behind.
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2020-05-11, 12:34 AM (ISO 8601)
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Re: Where does Banjo’s divine powers come from?
It's definitely Early Installment Weirdness, but I kind of assume that Thor or Odin or maybe even Loki were watching, and conjured that tiny lightning bolt as a joke. We know Odin and Thor were watching Banjo, so it's not too far-fetched.
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2020-05-11, 03:19 AM (ISO 8601)
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2020-05-11, 04:24 AM (ISO 8601)
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Re: Where does Banjo’s divine powers come from?
There was no dweomer, though. I don't think it was a spell, I think it was Banjo having a smidgen of actual power due to Elan's faith. I don't think it had any divine quiddity as such, though .
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2020-05-11, 07:51 PM (ISO 8601)
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2020-05-11, 10:13 PM (ISO 8601)
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Re: Where does Banjo’s divine powers come from?
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2020-05-12, 10:35 PM (ISO 8601)
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Re: Where does Banjo’s divine powers come from?
Plus, it's been stated that, by OOTS universe rules, a character will always be of equal strength to their "rival", as with Haley and Crystal. Thus, one can assume that Banjo would gain worship power form the orcs because, otherwise, hs rivalry with his brother would become uneven.
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2020-05-12, 10:50 PM (ISO 8601)
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Re: Where does Banjo’s divine powers come from?
Well, if we go by comic 1144 currently only feeds on a really small mount of belief from the orc tribe and Elan. He has a single worshipper in Elan. And he currently lacks dedication and souls so he is really malnourished.
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2020-05-13, 10:21 AM (ISO 8601)
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Re: Where does Banjo’s divine powers come from?
The "gods need mortals' faith to continue to exist" thing is not unique to OotS, or even D&D. It's a common trope to justify why divine powers create and fight for control of mortal civilizations. It even has roots in some real world polytheistic religions, where gods gain or lose strength based on human worship (though the making/killing of gods in that way is, as far as I know, exclusive to fantasy).
That being said, there usually is a threshold of that needs to be crossed there. If one single being truly believing in a made-up god was enough to make it real, any schizo with a "voice of god" on their head would be creating a new deity, and most heroes would end up gaining divine powers from the belief of common people who come to think of them as godlike.
And even if we follow the rules stated by the comic and assume any modicum of "divine nourishment" is enough to give a fraction of divine power to the one receiving it, Banjo would have 1 mortal's worth of Belief, and 0 of all three of the other components. Elan doesn't really provide any Dedication to his religion, nor does he really Worship Banjo in any capacity. And obviously, Banjo hasn't been given any Souls. Even with we add the Orc Tribe in here through the "rival rule" (which, by the way, is another gag, so now we're merging two gags into a gag chimera and trying to sell it as a possible plot point), none of these numbers will reach triple digits, probably not even double digits.
Banjo could show up and display divine powers again, but it'll probably just be as a callback gag, not an actual plot point.
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2020-05-13, 12:25 PM (ISO 8601)
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Re: Where does Banjo’s divine powers come from?
Elan doesn't worship Banjo? He was preaching the good word and recruiting others into Banjo's church.
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2020-05-13, 03:44 PM (ISO 8601)
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Re: Where does Banjo’s divine powers come from?
Well, the Giant has never defined what exactly falls under "Worship", but I tend to see it more as what most of the dwarves do, paying homage and referencing their patron deities on the regular (even the ones that aren't part of the clergy do that, mind you).
Elan basically only mentions Banjo when he's talking him up to someone else, he doesn't seem to give him any thought at all most of the time.
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2020-05-13, 03:53 PM (ISO 8601)
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Re: Where does Banjo’s divine powers come from?
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2020-05-14, 03:27 AM (ISO 8601)
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2020-05-14, 11:10 AM (ISO 8601)
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2020-05-16, 08:17 AM (ISO 8601)
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Re: Where does Banjo’s divine powers come from?
We only see Elan dealing with Banjo when he's talking about him to others, because we only see Elan when he's with others, period. We've never had a strip with Elan just alone in his quarters, have we?
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2020-05-16, 01:06 PM (ISO 8601)
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2020-05-17, 02:28 PM (ISO 8601)
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Re: Where does Banjo’s divine powers come from?
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2020-05-17, 05:03 PM (ISO 8601)
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Re: Where does Banjo’s divine powers come from?
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2020-05-24, 10:22 PM (ISO 8601)
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Re: Where does Banjo’s divine powers come from?
To be fair, the gods literally constructed this world to be a "self-aware stick figure fantasy parody."
"Rule of funny" is probably one of the fundamental laws of the OoTS-verse, like the first law of thermodynamics or the speed of light in a vacuum are laws in our universe.
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2020-05-25, 06:24 AM (ISO 8601)
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2020-05-26, 06:27 PM (ISO 8601)
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Re: Where does Banjo’s divine powers come from?
I think Elan can be said to be praying to Banjo, or at least worshiping him here: Just the Facts, Ma'am.
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