Evil Villains Werewolf

[gac3]

To be fair, you could impersonate someone else as Town to try and get them lynched just like you could as Wolf. Just... Less sure.

The big flaw with the plan is that you have to send the PM. There is no hiding that you sent it.

[Valmark]

The big flaw with the plan is that you have to send the PM. There is no hiding that you sent it.

Doesn't that hold true as a wolf too?

[gac3]

Doesn't that hold true as a wolf too?

Right but remember how we confirmed who all the wolves were? It's because they basically outed themselves to duck. Now imagine that instead that one of them had claimed to be me. Then duck betraying them would have been exactly what they needed. That was the plan. You lose one wolf, but if you pick the right target, should still be in okay shape.

[Valmark]

Right but remember how we confirmed who all the wolves were? It's because they basically outed themselves to duck. Now imagine that instead that one of them had claimed to be me. Then duck betraying them would have been exactly what they needed. That was the plan. You lose one wolf, but if you pick the right target, should still be in okay shape.

Oh, that's true. I'll add that to my rules- to not impersonate others, I mean.

[AvatarVecna]

Y'all ever get the feeling to engage is self-sabotaging behavior just to see what happens?

[Valmark]

Y'all ever get the feeling to engage is self-sabotaging behavior just to see what happens?

Always? It takes me all I have to not go around licking processonaries.

[AvatarVecna]

Always? It takes me all I have to not go around licking processonaries.

Just try to resist the urge to start monologuing.

...actually, maybe we should all be monologuing. That always seems to make those dastardly heroes show up.

[bc56]

Always? It takes me all I have to not go around licking processonaries.

Only a hero would have that kind of reckless disregard for their own safety.
I spend my time in safe in my nuclear assault bunker, like any good villain.

[Valmark]

Only a hero would have that kind of reckless disregard for their own safety.
I spend my time in safe in my nuclear assault bunker, like any good villain.

Only a villain enjoys life to the fullest! Lick poisonous things and live to tell the tale! Use poison on other people to let them enjoy life too!

[kgato503]

Only a villain enjoys life to the fullest! Lick poisonous things and live to tell the tale! Use poison on other people to let them enjoy life too!

Okay, that gave me a good evil laugh!

*Consults list of possible heroes/disposable allies* Duck999, tell me, are you more like Darkwing Duck or NegaDuck?

[Xihirli]

Only a hero would have that kind of reckless disregard for their own safety.
I spend my time in safe in my nuclear assault bunker, like any good villain.

Time is but a whisper, death but a window. I'll be back.

[Duck999]

Okay, that gave me a good evil laugh!

*Consults list of possible heroes/disposable allies* Duck999, tell me, are you more like Darkwing Duck or NegaDuck?

I'm more of one of these guys:

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Anyway, as it would happen, my D20 landed on 14, kgato503. That or it's really just an OMGUS. I'll leave that for you to decide.

[Aventine]

...I'll leave that for you to decide.

I really feel like that should have been followed by a hearty "mwahahaha."

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Heroic, bah. I am opposed to wasting resources. Each underling, ourselves included, is a tool to be used to its fullest. Purposeless slaughter creates naught but a mess for the custodial staff.

"Ah, but sometimes the best use for a tool is to be slaughtered as an example to others. I do suppose, however, that it might be sensible to restrict the random culling to the more easily replaceable underlings..."

Amateurs, the lot of you. I've been in the villain game for... sifts through her own bull**** canon for awhile... three thousand years, give or take a universe in which I have been a despot for four eternities.

’Tis true; I know of none on par with you.

"As always, you are a shining beacon of insane villainy in these dark days of 'selflessness' and 'heroism.'"
*overly dramatic gagging*

[Xihirli]

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Line up, sign up
If you're looking for some sin
And a dirty way to win, yeah!

Get pissed, enlist
Tap into the devil within
And let the villainy begin

We're joining forces
We're making clever quips
We revel in malevolence
Four thousand horses of the apocalypse

Giddy up, Gotham
Giddy up, up, up

We're going rogue, rogue, rogue!
Rogues are we!
We are the harlots and the hussies
Rogues are we!
We are the swindlers and the cheats

Rogues are we!
We're rising up from the underground
Rogues are we!
We're taking over your streets, oh yeah!

Riddle me this
I've got a puzzle that put you to tears
I'm cruel but never crass

Look no further than here
To see a penguin without peer
I've got a certain touch of class

I made a fear toxin in the form of gas
Then I wear a scary mask

I've got ice in my veins
Venom on the vine
I'll weed out any wussy

I'm a pretty little kitty
But I ain't no-
Rogues are we!

We are the harlots and the hussies
Rogues are we!
We are the swindlers and the cheats
Rogues are we!
We're rising up from the underground
Rogues are we!
We're taking over your streets
Come on!

Rogues are we!

Rogues!
Assemble!
Gather!
Unite!

And take a mental snapshot of this most auspicious night!
We’ve got strength in numbers now, the battle can begin...
Hoo ha ha!

...We’re waging war on Batman, and the war is ours to win!

Hoo ha ha ha!

Rise up! Like a natural disaster
We take The Bat, and then we take back the town!
We harm in harmony, arm in arm we hold our stance
In solidarity, he hasn’t a chance!

Rogues are we!

Rise up! Like a natural disaster
We take The Bat, and then we take back the town
We harm in harmony, arm in arm we hold our stance
In solidarity, he hasn't a chance

Let's dance!

Rogues are we!

[rogue_alchemist]

So as it stands: Gac3, me(rogue_alchemist), and Xihirli all have two votes each. Xihirli technically reached two votes first (with the self vote) though I am not sure if that counts. Then gac3 got two votes and finally I got two votes. Not sure what to make of any of it yet, just starting some analysis to see what we see.

[Elenna]

Aventine, because RNGesus doth bid me to vote on them.

[kgato503]

So as it stands: Gac3, me(rogue_alchemist), and Xihirli all have two votes each. Xihirli technically reached two votes first (with the self vote) though I am not sure if that counts. Then gac3 got two votes and finally I got two votes. Not sure what to make of any of it yet, just starting some analysis to see what we see.

I just got 2 votes as well (Libro and Duck999)

@Duck: I noticed one of those is a stand in for Catwoman. Didn't she turn good (Or, at least neutral)?

[rogue_alchemist]

I just got 2 votes as well (Libro and Duck999)

@Duck: I noticed one of those is a stand in for Catwoman. Didn't she turn good (Or, at least neutral)?

You are correct @kgato503. I have a heard time in posts like Libros seeing her vote as differentiated from her quotes of everyone else's votes. So now it is Xihirli, gac3, rogue_alchemist, kgato503, and Aventine who have 2 votes each. Those are in order that the two votes were reached.

Only JoyWonderLove, Logan1996, and trtl haven't voted.

[Duck999]

@Duck: I noticed one of those is a stand in for Catwoman. Didn't she turn good (Or, at least neutral)?

I suppose Catwoman does at least a little (I'm not the most versed in DC), but Catduck would never betray me like that.

[Unavenger]

JoyWonderLove, get poke'd.

[JoyWonderLove]

Unavenger, I thought what we had (over LiS) was special!

I'm here, sorta. But as I've honestly said for the past however many games (2? 3, including this one?), I do feel weird voting first round. It really does feel random. For example, I could easily bump a player with 2 votes into a three. But I have no proof or idea that would be a good or bad idea.

So, why am I gambling again on the first vote?

[rogue_alchemist]

You vote now so we can analyze how everyone voted next day cycle and then the following day cycle we have more concrete evidence of trends, but for each day that someone doesn't vote that just delays how long until we can get to meaningful votes.

[Xihirli]

Let's start a wagon. kgato503.

[JeenLeen]

Unavenger, I thought what we had (over LiS) was special!

I'm here, sorta. But as I've honestly said for the past however many games (2? 3, including this one?), I do feel weird voting first round. It really does feel random. For example, I could easily bump a player with 2 votes into a three. But I have no proof or idea that would be a good or bad idea.

So, why am I gambling again on the first vote?

This is just a general meta-note, but the metagame here on the forum has not voting D1 as suspicious. You could stick to your guns and avoid voting D1, but unless you make a real shift in the metagame (or get established as this as your character, like AV or Xihirli with self-voting), you'll probably have to deal with the suspicion. Which is bad for you regardless of faction.

I was thinking about it a touch more, and I reckon part of why some vote is appreciated, even if based on nothing and for someone who hasn't voted yet, is that it shows something, albeit something small.
If you voted for someone who eventually flips wolf, it could be random Town voting or distancing.
If you voted for someone Town, well, it probably means nothing.
But if your vote is on a wagon, it means you were willing to vote for that person and potentially be fatal to them, which is more informative if they flip wolf.

Though all the above is kinda with a grain of salt, as D1 ignorance makes most of it mean little. Like, if Elenna flips wolf, I'll feel bad because that will make me look suspicious for voting for her originally then shifting my vote, even though it was an innocent poke replaced by a vote motivated by a minor suspicious act.

Though I reckon most wolves on D1 vote for a random townie and hope the Town lynches one of their own by random chance. It only really gets strongly informative if a wolf almost gets lynched, or almost gets lynched then gets revealed later, and we can see who tried to save them or gain town cred by joining an undefeatable wagon.

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Also, although I at first agreed that voting D1 wasn't helpful and thought it okay not to vote, I see the value now. It does yield some intel, or at least seeds of intel that can bear fruit in later Days/Nights. So, by abstaining, you are helping the wolves by removing a potential data point.

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[JoyWonderLove]

So as it stands: Gac3, me(rogue_alchemist), and Xihirli all have two votes each. Xihirli technically reached two votes first (with the self vote) though I am not sure if that counts. Then gac3 got two votes and finally I got two votes. Not sure what to make of any of it yet, just starting some analysis to see what we see.

You vote now so we can analyze how everyone voted next day cycle and then the following day cycle we have more concrete evidence of trends, but for each day that someone doesn't vote that just delays how long until we can get to meaningful votes.

You are correct @kgato503. I have a heard time in posts like Libros seeing her vote as differentiated from her quotes of everyone else's votes. So now it is Xihirli, gac3, rogue_alchemist, kgato503, and Aventine who have 2 votes each. Those are in order that the two votes were reached.

Only JoyWonderLove, Logan1996, and trtl haven't voted.

Let's start a wagon. kgato503.

This is just a general meta-note, but the metagame here on the forum has not voting D1 as suspicious. You could stick to your guns and avoid voting D1, but unless you make a real shift in the metagame (or get established as this as your character, like AV or Xihirli with self-voting), you'll probably have to deal with the suspicion. Which is bad for you regardless of faction.

On one hand, it's a bad idea to take out gac3. He is really fantastic for town. On the other hand, kgato is an excellent overall player. He was one of the key players for the villain side of the Harry Potter game. So voting for kgato is removing a really creative and supportive player in his own way. But rouge_alchemist is also actually trying to get me to enjoy the game. For those biased reasons, I'm choosing not them.

So, I guess Aventine until I have a better idea? Aventine is good at bringing together all the quotes of people, so everyone can have a better idea of a player's thoughts and feelings. And that's neat mid and later game. But earlier game, until I have a better idea who to vote for, we can gamble on the lose?

[gac3]

On one hand, it's a bad idea to take out gac3. He is really fantastic for town.

I feel like my reputation is a bit inflated beyond the evidence. I also know that it's gotten me killed before. Good to know it is promoting keeping me alive now.

[rogue_alchemist]

Voting should end in about 8 hours by my reckoning, but I never know exactly when it will be cut off. Anyway to continue my analysis: kgato503 and Aventine have 3 votes each (reached in that order), followed by gac3, and me with two votes (reached in that order, though it doesn't matter).

A wagon has started on our two lead candidates, so things now get interesting depending what is revealed.

I will say JoyWonderLove has expressed this reticence before, but is the one to potentially put Aventine in danger, so that is suspicious. Also Xihirli not voting self D1 and starting a bandwagon on kgato are even more suspicious. But D1 analysis is like grasping water, you don't accomplish much and just tire yourself out looking for patterns in the randomness.

[gac3]

To be honest... Kgato always seems to survive and is statistically a wolf. I'm also against the logic not voting someone just because they were a wolf recently. That's how snowblaze fooled us all.

[Aventine]

On one hand, it's a bad idea to take out gac3. He is really fantastic for town. On the other hand, kgato is an excellent overall player. He was one of the key players for the villain side of the Harry Potter game. So voting for kgato is removing a really creative and supportive player in his own way. But rouge_alchemist is also actually trying to get me to enjoy the game. For those biased reasons, I'm choosing not them.

So, I guess Aventine until I have a better idea? Aventine is good at bringing together all the quotes of people, so everyone can have a better idea of a player's thoughts and feelings. And that's neat mid and later game. But earlier game, until I have a better idea who to vote for, we can gamble on the lose?

You think I'm useful in mid- and late-game, therefore you're willing to risk killing me early? I don't follow.

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Voting should end in about 8 hours by my reckoning, but I never know exactly when it will be cut off...

Begin Day One, which will end at approximately 2pm GMT on Wednesday (I'm giving you extra time partly so you don't lose any while waiting for this to be approved and partly so I can update on my computer.)

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By my count kgato's at 4 and I'm at 3. Normally, I'd vote for the 3 to bring the wagons even closer and see who goes where. But I don't think I'm willing to commit to the self-voting thing.

I think voting for gac might be the best play. (Though I feel bad since he just voted against my wagon...)

[AvatarVecna]

Spoiler: Votes

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Xihirli

Aventine

Gac3

Elenna

Apogee1

CaoimhinTheCape

Libro

Valmark

gac3

kgato503

rogue_alchemist

JeenLeen

RogueAlchemist

MornShine

Duck999

kgato503

Aventine

JoyWonderLove

kgato503

Aventine

Kgato

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gac

Apogee1: CaoimhinTheCape
Aventine: Elenna, JoyWonderLove, Lord Athos
CaoimhinTheCape: Apogee1
Duck999: kgato503
Elenna: JeenLeen
gac3: rogue_alchemist, Valmark, Aventine, AvatarVecna
JoyWonderLove: Unavenger
kgato503: Duck999, gac3, Libro, Xihirli
MornShine: trtl

Broke: Thunderdome
Woke: Dover Boys
Bespoke: Self-Voting
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gac3. Let's get a third wagon in the running, that sounds fun.

I've never met an evil turtle.

Ah, but how many turtles have you met?

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...ah. Great minds think alike?