Anonymouswizard's Random Banter #227 and Free Cup of Tea

[el minster]

I didn't say that homosexuals we're inferior. Those are your words. I only prefer to date with different gender which I'm not really attracted to my same gender.

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[Bartmanhomer]

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Ok moving on. I've been working my own solo D&D 3.5 game for quite a while now and I'm still working on my characters.

[el minster]

Ok moving on. I've been working my own solo D&D 3.5 game for quite a while now and I'm still working on my characters.

cool! what are they I play 3.5 too maybe I can help you.

[Bartmanhomer]

cool! what are they I play 3.5 too maybe I can help you.

It about a romantic male lesser grow cleric of Ellistraee who got a girlfriend who's a female lesser drow warblade who he cheated with a female elf wizard but they don't know about it.

[el minster]

It about a romantic male lesser grow cleric of Ellistraee who got a girlfriend who's a female lesser drow warblade who he cheated with a female elf wizard but they don't know about it.

is there action?

[Bartmanhomer]

is there action?

What do you mean?

[el minster]

What do you mean?

fighting, death, and sensless violence ;)

[Bartmanhomer]

fighting, death, and sensless violence ;)

Of course. It's D&D 3.5

[el minster]

anyways you'll probobaly know anything I tell you

[Bartmanhomer]

anyways you'll probobaly know anything I tell you

Well the whole campaign is about fighting against the church of Lolth.

[el minster]

sounds fun, I had fun with a monstrous spider with a Lolth related template once.

[Bartmanhomer]

sounds fun, I had fun with a monstrous spider with a Lolth related template once.

Ah the good old drider. I'm thinking of using that template.

[el minster]

It was the Lolth Touched template actually I think.

[Liquor Box]

How about this: "I prefer to date cis-woman." There nothing transphobic about that statement right?

There was a fair old argument in this forum about whether that (the sentiment rather than the statement) was transphobic a few years ago.

[factotum]

There was a fair old argument in this forum about whether that (the sentiment rather than the statement) was transphobic a few years ago.

Um, why? If I say that I personally prefer a nice steak to a nut cutlet, I'm not automatically saying that vegetarians are bad and should feel bad, so I'm not sure why this would be any different?

[LaZodiac]

Um, why? If I say that I personally prefer a nice steak to a nut cutlet, I'm not automatically saying that vegetarians are bad and should feel bad, so I'm not sure why this would be any different?

Human beings aren't food, is the big difference there.

[el minster]

The nice gets offended that you don't eat it

[Fyraltari]

Also, hi new thread. I was told that I could get a free cup of tea?

We were deceived!

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My avatar is a dude? I don't know what you're going on about.

On phone people’s avatar reset to a ‘stick-avatar’ which in your case has noticeable breasts.

[el minster]

On phone people’s avatar reset to a ‘stick-avatar’ which in your case has noticeable breasts.

This is what I was talking about kinglinus1
Fyraltari, I hear you are wise. Thanks for the support.

[Fyraltari]

Fyraltari, I hear you are wise.

Someone lied to you, mate.

[Anonymouswizard]

Human beings aren't food, is the big difference there.

True, but I guess strength is important? I mean, it's okay to say 'I find trans-women attractive' but not to say 'I refuse to date cis-men'.

I mean, it's certainly discrimination to refuse to date trans people. But is it worse than somebody who refuses to date people with dyed hair? I'm really not sure, to me they both sound a bit silly.

[el minster]

True, but I guess strength is important? I mean, it's okay to say 'I find trans-women attractive' but not to say 'I refuse to date cis-men'.

I mean, it's certainly discrimination to refuse to date trans people. But is it worse than somebody who refuses to date people with dyed hair? I'm really not sure, to me they both sound a bit silly.

hair can be changed easily good night

[DataNinja]

hair can be changed easily good night

I mean if someone refuses to date me because I have pink hair, then, sorry, tough luck, buddy.

(Also, Anony, since nobody else guessed, you were a little high with your guess - twenty-two was the number of the day.)

[Anonymouswizard]

I mean if someone refuses to date me because I have pink hair, then, sorry, tough luck, buddy.

(Also, Anony, since nobody else guessed, you were a little high with your guess - twenty-two was the number of the day.)

And they'd be missing out on a lot because of their intolerance

(And to be fair, when it comes to twenties, it's hard to tell the beginning from the end.)

[el minster]

look not at the jar but at what it contains

[Liquor Box]

Um, why? If I say that I personally prefer a nice steak to a nut cutlet, I'm not automatically saying that vegetarians are bad and should feel bad, so I'm not sure why this would be any different?

As I recall there were actually two arguments.

On one occasion the argument was that a fully transitioned person is indistinguishable (incl when naked) from a cis-gendered person of the the gender they transitioned to, and therefore the only possible reason for not wanting them was transphobia (thinking of them as not actually a man/woman). That they obviously cannot perform the reproductive functions of the gender they identify as did come up, but I don't recall what answer was given.

The second, more extreme argument was, that the sexual rejection of even pre-transition trans persons was transphobic. So, for example, a straight man who did not desire male to female trans with male genitalia was transphobic. I think the argument was that it is transphobic to consider genitalia a defining feature of gender, and that claiming to be attracted to a sex rather than a gender identity was just a way of disguising ones transphobia.

In both cases the counter-argument (which I tend to agree with) was as you say in your post. People can have preferences in their sexual partners that do not imply phobia or prejudice toward those not preferred - with analogies drawn to preferring a certain hair colour, or taller /shorter etc.

[DataNinja]

And they'd be missing out on a lot because of their intolerance

(And to be fair, when it comes to twenties, it's hard to tell the beginning from the end.)

You're too kind. On both fronts.
(It's not often that I'm mistaken for older, though, admittedly. I tend to have people think I'm still in high school, which is... frustrating.)

[Anonymouswizard]

So, for example, a straight man who did not desire male to female trans with male genitalia was transphobic.

Is it wrong that I find this icky? Like, not pre-surgery trans people, but the idea of somebody's genitals being a turn off? I mean, if I'm attracted to somebody I do like to know what they have (cue awkward attempt to work out of they're okay with me asking without asking if they're okay with me asking), but I'm not going to be turned off of I find that a potential boyfriend has inwards man parts.

Like, I kind of get it, but it still icks me out?

Although I'm also that person who'll day that trans people have the genitals if their gender even before surgery. Because I don't see why steeples have to be male and valleys have to be female. Sure, they're commonly owned by such people, but it's not really an exclusive relationship.

[Liquor Box]

Is it wrong that I find this icky? Like, not pre-surgery trans people, but the idea of somebody's genitals being a turn off? I mean, if I'm attracted to somebody I do like to know what they have (cue awkward attempt to work out of they're okay with me asking without asking if they're okay with me asking), but I'm not going to be turned off of I find that a potential boyfriend has inwards man parts.

Like, I kind of get it, but it still icks me out?

Although I'm also that person who'll day that trans people have the genitals if their gender even before surgery. Because I don't see why steeples have to be male and valleys have to be female. Sure, they're commonly owned by such people, but it's not really an exclusive relationship.

Are you asking me?

No, I don't think it's wrong - I think you (or anyone else) can find whatever you want to be icky. But just because you find it icky doesn't mean there's anything wrong with it. We are all allowed our preferences, and just like people are entitled to prefer a particular type of genitals, people (like you) are entitled to prefer people who don't find any set of genitals a turn off. I suspect the former preference is much more common, but that doesn't invalidate your preference.

[BisectedBrioche]

Hmm, I missed a discussion of trans issues and a shiny new thread.

I need to check in on this forum more than once a day.