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2020-06-09, 04:31 PM (ISO 8601)
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Re: Iron Chef Optimization Challenge in the Playground CII
Another weirdness of how the class is written:
Enchanted Blade II includes "Disruption" as one of the abilities you can enchant your blade with. However, disruption clearly says it can only be applied to bludgeoning weapons, while your Blade Dancer weapon must be a blade.
Should we assume that Blade Dancer is awesome enough to grant an exception to that limitation, and you can make a Disruption blade, for use when fighting (low will save) undead?Spoiler: Avatar & Iron Chef AwardsAwesome Dragonfire Bard Avatar by Oneris. A detailed version is here.
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IC C Swiftblade: Honorable Mention for Pahika Kanikani, the Wardancer
IC CII Blade Dancer: Silver for Hu Tiaowu, the Jungle Guardian
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2020-06-10, 12:02 AM (ISO 8601)
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Re: Iron Chef Optimization Challenge in the Playground CII
Darrin's got this one, there's no otherwise specified, so it defaults to a standard action.
Darrin's got it again, Enchanted Blade II and III expand on Enchanted Blade I. You don't get multiple pools.
The restriction is my fault, and it wouldn't be fair to make it hurt you extra. Consider Blade Dancer to be awesome enough to apply disruption to blades even though you usually can't.Kolyarut Avatar by Potatocubed.
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2020-06-10, 07:32 AM (ISO 8601)
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Re: Iron Chef Optimization Challenge in the Playground CII
How would it interact with weapon-spells, IE, black blade of disaster, eldritch glaive, etc.?
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2020-06-10, 10:45 AM (ISO 8601)
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Re: Iron Chef Optimization Challenge in the Playground CII
Enchanted Blade functions like enchanting a weapon to give it magical properties. You cannot enchant spells (e.g. you cannot make a +1 eldritch glaive), so you cannot use Enchanted Blade on spells.
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2020-06-11, 04:26 AM (ISO 8601)
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Re: Iron Chef Optimization Challenge in the Playground CII
Spoiler: Avatar & Iron Chef AwardsAwesome Dragonfire Bard Avatar by Oneris. A detailed version is here.
Iron Chef awards:
IC C Swiftblade: Honorable Mention for Pahika Kanikani, the Wardancer
IC CII Blade Dancer: Silver for Hu Tiaowu, the Jungle Guardian
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2020-06-11, 05:18 PM (ISO 8601)
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Re: Iron Chef Optimization Challenge in the Playground CII
I can't seem to quite hit prereqs with my build. Is it cool if I volunteer to judge instead of compete for this round?
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2020-06-11, 05:20 PM (ISO 8601)
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Re: Iron Chef Optimization Challenge in the Playground CII
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2020-06-11, 05:23 PM (ISO 8601)
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Re: Iron Chef Optimization Challenge in the Playground CII
Well, then this round for sure has a guaranteed judge.
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2020-06-11, 05:43 PM (ISO 8601)
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Re: Iron Chef Optimization Challenge in the Playground CII
That's incredibly cool of you, thank you.
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2020-06-12, 12:53 AM (ISO 8601)
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Re: Iron Chef Optimization Challenge in the Playground CII
Bah. My week just disappeared on me. Not gonna be able to compete after all.
I really like this class too.I am not seaweed. That's a B.
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2020-06-12, 05:51 PM (ISO 8601)
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Build is in.
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2020-06-13, 05:12 AM (ISO 8601)
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Re: Iron Chef Optimization Challenge in the Playground CII
As a first-time entrant, would anyone (who's not judging or competing) be willing to check my build and see if everything is kosher?
I'm 99% sure I done everything right, but I want to be sure I did not overstep any lines into the cheese territory or missed out obvious optimisation opportunities.
Also, is it necessary to specify all skills in the build, or is it sufficient to only note those that are key to the build (either as prepreqs or as part of their power/utility)?
Should Spells per day include specialisation and int bonus?Last edited by ChudoJogurt; 2020-06-13 at 06:08 AM.
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2020-06-13, 06:45 AM (ISO 8601)
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Re: Iron Chef Optimization Challenge in the Playground CII
It is generally considered a good idea to show all the skills in the build (including for every level). You could get away with not showing all of them if you specifically mention that (so the judge knows you've got spare skill points at every level), but showing the other skills that aren't necessarily key to your build will never harm your score, only ever help it. It also helps characterize your build. Sure, you might only depend on, for example, move silent, hide, spot and jump, but that perform (tambourine) and profession (basketweaver) also help with selling the character of your build.
For spells per day, I'd definitely mention bonus spells so the judge has a good idea about what you're capable of. I'd format it with base spells and bonus spells distinct (for example: 1st level spells: 3+2), but do whatever you think looks best here. As long as it's clear to the judge how you've set it up, it's all fine.Last edited by DeTess; 2020-06-13 at 06:46 AM.
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2020-06-13, 07:59 AM (ISO 8601)
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Re: Iron Chef Optimization Challenge in the Playground CII
Ok, I think I'm actually done.
Anyone willing to review it before I send it out?
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2020-06-13, 09:18 AM (ISO 8601)
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2020-06-13, 09:59 AM (ISO 8601)
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Re: Iron Chef Optimization Challenge in the Playground CII
I have seen entries leave out skill points, and sometimes stop listing them in the middle of the build table (after you qualify for the Secret Ingredient, sometimes it feels like it doesn't matter what you're putting skill ranks in). There might be some circumstances where leaving out the skills could still get you into medal contention, but those circumstances are rare. You could try looking at previous ICs, check the winning entries, and do an informal survey of how they list their skills.
As a judge, I tend to look at skill ranks in the Power section when I consider what the build can do outside of combat. So I may adjust the power score up or down if the build is super-focused on a single combat gimmick, or if it can contribute to different party roles outside of combat. If I see someone leave out the skill ranks or abandon them halfway through a build, I might complain about it, but my inclination would be to avoid penalizing a build if I can figure out what you're doing with the skills, or can extrapolate what they should look like. On the other hand, if I can't figure out what you're doing with the skills, then I'm not likely to reward you for it. At best, you could say "It won't hurt you when I judge, but your score might be higher if you put in the extra effort."
Other judges are going to be different, and I would expect many of them to assess a penalty somewhere for ignoring skill ranks.
I usually add the bonus spells from high ability score directly in the table without breaking them out ("4, 3, 1, 0" instead of "3+1, 2+1, 1, 0"). Specialization needs to be mentioned somewhere, I'd generally mention it in the build table. Domain spells would likely still be listed as "3+1, 2+1", etc., because that's how they appear in the books. Breaking out specialization spells... not sure if I'd separate them out, unless it was really important to show which spells you're using when. I'd probably throw an asterisk or (S) notation in there somewhere to indicate which spells are from specialization.Handbooks:
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2020-06-13, 11:11 AM (ISO 8601)
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Re: Iron Chef Optimization Challenge in the Playground CII
Since I'm judging i dont know if I should comment on how I rate things.
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2020-06-13, 12:05 PM (ISO 8601)
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Re: Iron Chef Optimization Challenge in the Playground CII
Judges can post their criteria before the reveal; that's acceptable.
I know when I judge, seeing the skills all fleshed out helps me judge better, because I can evaluate how well they do at things. As said, it can only help you to fill out your skills.Kolyarut Avatar by Potatocubed.
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2020-06-13, 11:49 PM (ISO 8601)
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Re: Iron Chef Optimization Challenge in the Playground CII
So, generally when I judge, though I've never officially gotten the chance,
My personal ratings are based on a few things.
Originality is pretty simple, if its something I havent really seen before, even an inventive use of an old tactic, I'll give points. If it's a bog standard op tactic it gets penalized unless you find some new twist.
Power is pretty self explanatory and I gauge it by how it would do in a high OP game.
Elegance... I would definitely penalize blank or missing skills, feats etc. I want to see an entire build that could conceivably see use as a PC or be transplanted directly as an NPC. I like it full fleshed out. Backstory and character idea contribute heavily here. A good example of a build I'd rate highly is FAST from the swiftblade challenge.
Use of secret ingredient is a hard one for me. The more use you have out of every feature the higher I rate this, the more levels the higher etc. If your build only takes one level it would tank your score in this. Taking all 10 levels would beef it up, but not if you only feature one or two abilities in the build.
Hope that helps everyone.
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2020-06-14, 04:16 AM (ISO 8601)
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Re: Iron Chef Optimization Challenge in the Playground CII
Build submitted. Looking forward to seeing the competition.
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2020-06-14, 04:17 AM (ISO 8601)
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Re: Iron Chef Optimization Challenge in the Playground CII
My build is submitted. This was a very fun class to build around (even if many of my ideas would have been more powerful without it; requiring a casting class, without progressing casting!). There are so many fun things to do when the point is to showcase this class's possibilities.
Can't wait to see what y'all have cooked up.
I had another build I wanted to try, but could not make time this week to build it out. It looks fun as kernel of a build idea, though. I'll share it for kicks, after the dishes are revealed.Last edited by Hiro Quester; 2020-06-14 at 04:18 AM.
Spoiler: Avatar & Iron Chef AwardsAwesome Dragonfire Bard Avatar by Oneris. A detailed version is here.
Iron Chef awards:
IC C Swiftblade: Honorable Mention for Pahika Kanikani, the Wardancer
IC CII Blade Dancer: Silver for Hu Tiaowu, the Jungle Guardian
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2020-06-14, 11:06 AM (ISO 8601)
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Hush falls over optimization stadium. The reveal approaches!
Please hold of on posting until the all clear.Kolyarut Avatar by Potatocubed.
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2020-06-14, 11:07 AM (ISO 8601)
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Re: Iron Chef Optimization Challenge in the Playground CII
Nothing goes with OA like more OA does.
Originally Posted by Heavenly Blade
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2020-06-14, 11:11 AM (ISO 8601)
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Re: Iron Chef Optimization Challenge in the Playground CII
He's got the zoomies.
Originally Posted by Felious, the divine claw
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2020-06-14, 11:12 AM (ISO 8601)
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"Guys guys guys! I got big news!"
Originally Posted by Princess Flower AKA Blade
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2020-06-14, 11:14 AM (ISO 8601)
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Re: Iron Chef Optimization Challenge in the Playground CII
I can accept fast zombies, but fast goblins are right out.
Originally Posted by Vagnar the Voracious
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2020-06-14, 11:19 AM (ISO 8601)
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You've seen the orc shotput, now get ready for the orc long jump.
Originally Posted by Minerva
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2020-06-14, 11:24 AM (ISO 8601)
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This is a limited time offer. Buy now!
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2020-06-14, 11:28 AM (ISO 8601)
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Re: Iron Chef Optimization Challenge in the Playground CII
Don't you know? Everyone runs from Shere Khan.
(I want you to know that I could have made a tiger king joke, and I chose not to.)
Originally Posted by Hu Tiaowu, The Jungle Guardian
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2020-06-14, 11:31 AM (ISO 8601)
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"Hey man, don't even try to start with me, cause I'll jump aaaaaaaaaall over your face."
Originally Posted by Hiryu Yopparai
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