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    Default Re: How do you like your villains?

    Or The Blues Brothers.
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    Or the Latium book, if it ever gets translated into a language you understand.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Peelee View Post
    Or The Blues Brothers.
    I don't know...

    Carrie Fisher was evil.

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    Tbh, I feel like even with stories with gray morality you still sorta need to have characters that are more or less justifiable. Otherwise you're throwing black and white morality for just one shade of gray morality. Characters often exist in contrast to their enviroment and the rest of the cast, and if everyone sorta exists in the same gray zone, you kinda lose a lot in terms of being able to have a character that is particularly noble or dastardly, cause everyone is sorta equally justifiable.

    And looking at most works that people praise for having complex morality, I still can sorta point to a good few characters that are more heroic or villanous than the rest. And those qualities are a lot more noticeable since the people around them operate in a lot more gray areas of morality, while in a black and white world a lot of times those qualities aren't as apreciated since they're a lot more common. If every bad guy sorta has a somewhat fair reason to justify their bad deeds, if someone comes around and just barely tries to save face, the audience tends to hate them a lot more.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Peelee View Post
    As a rather noted not-smart-man, I agree with this, and also like when people write about it, like that blog post you threw up (which was awesome and I will totally read any others you do about OotS, btw).
    Where can I see LadyEowyn's blog post?

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    Where can I see LadyEowyn's blog post?
    Here:
    https://warrioreowynofrohan.tumblr.c...n-for-a-minute

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    Quote Originally Posted by LadyEowyn View Post
    Your critique of decision making in LoTR is incisive and spot on. Well done!
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    Quote Originally Posted by LadyEowyn View Post
    Thanks a lot!

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