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    Floating a trial balloon to gauge interest in an all devil game, epic levels, gestalted on PC classes with a third path to cover devil RHD and LA.
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    I'd be potentially interested in playing something like this.

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    Hi, MikelaC1! It has been so long. It's great to see you out there. In the Title line you may want to include 3.5E (I am assuming), gestalt, and leveling, but game system at least.

    Yes, I am definitely interested.
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    Potentially interested if this game will begin

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    I'd try.

    Does the "third path for racial HD thing" imply that we're expected to load up on templates and stuff until we hit 21 of those?
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    It is, at its base, to cover the racial hit dice and level adjustment required for the various devil races, basically to keep from race/ LA affecting level progression of actual classes. But after those requirements are met? I dunno, possibly.
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    I'm interested.

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    I’m interested

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    Quote Originally Posted by whiteflash View Post
    I'd try.

    Does the "third path for racial HD thing" imply that we're expected to load up on templates and stuff until we hit 21 of those?
    Those familiar with my games know I am not a fan of "loading templates", and certainly not more than one. Heres an example of what you can aim for. DebbieD, who always plays an erinyes in service of the main devil organizer, will have 16 levels (HD+LA) taken up in her erinyes progression. That leaves her 9 levels to work with, she could be a 9th level rogue, or wizard, or whatever. As it happens, by that level, she will have met the qualifications for exemplar and will be taking 9 levels in that.
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    I'd be on-board. No/low homebrew, I assume?


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    How do the rules work regarding devils who have no LA, only HD?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Heavenblade View Post
    How do the rules work regarding devils who have no LA, only HD?
    Consider that their LA and HD take up the whole third track.
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    Even things like an Imp? They got no LA, but Im not sure they are worth an entire track...

    Anyway, I had a pretty fun idea for an Imp who was a familiar and then sliced his master's throat in the dead of the night and stole his spellbook

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    An Imp has an LA of 0
    They say "may you live in interesting times"...Ive tried interesting and now I'll take boring.

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    Alroght, awesome

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    What devils are available? Savage Species had the barbazu, imp, and kyton. I know the erinyes is out there as well (like you mentioned). Is it any devil that has a listed LA (as anything other than a lemure or limp is a +0, but the others are "too high to play" in most cases)?

    If so, that means ...
    Bearded Devil (Barbazu) = 6 (HD) + 6 (LA) .... though this conflicts with SS, iirc, which was about 14th ECL?"
    Chain Devil (Kyton) = 8 (HD) + 6 (LA) ... in line with SS.
    Erinyes (Fury) = 9 (HD) + 7 (LA)
    Imp = 3 (HD) + 0 (LA)

    Abishai, Black = 5 (HD) + 6 (LA)
    Abishai, Blue = 7 (HD) + 8 (LA)
    Abishai, Green = 6 (HD) + 7 (LA)
    Abishai, Red = 8 (HD) + 8 (LA)
    Abishai, White = 4 (HD) + 6 (LA)
    Assassin Devil (Dogai) = 14 (HD) + 6 (LA)
    Harvester Devil (Falxugon) = 9 (HD) + 4 (LA)
    Legion Devil (Merregon) = 3 (HD) + 5 (LA)
    Narzugon = 7 (HD) + 4 (LA)
    Steel Devil (Bueroza) = 6 HD + 6 (LA)


    That leaves the following devils not noted, but this is an epic campaign, any openings for the following?
    Bone Devil (Osyluth), 10 HD, CR 9
    Hellcat (Bezekira), 8 HD, CR 7
    Horned Devil (Cornugon), 15 HD, CR 16
    Ice Devil (Gelugon), 14 HD, CR 13
    Pit Fiend, 18 HD, CR 20

    Advespa, 4 HD, CR 3
    Amnizu, 9 HD, CR 7
    Malebranche, 16 HD, CR 9

    Gulthir, 6 HD, CR 6
    Remannon, 18 HD, CR 15
    Stitched Devil, 8 HD, CR 9

    Amnizu, 9 HD, CR 7
    Orthon, 7 HD, CR 8
    Paeliryon, 18 HD, CR 18
    Pain Devil (Excruciarch), 8 HD, CR 7 ..... it mentions advancement by character class, rather than HD, but provides no LA notation.
    Pleaure Devil (Brachina), 12 HD, CR 11
    Spined Devil (Spinagon), 3 HD, CR 4
    Xerfilstyx, 15 HD, CR 15

    Kochrakon, 6 HD, CR 6
    Ghargatula, 24 HD, CR 16

    There are likely others scattered over the books, but this is from the MMs and from the Fiendish Codex and the Book of Vile Darkness.
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    Sure, I'm interested.
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    If its in the Monster Manual (first) or the Codex, its in. Otherwise, its out. And it doesnt have an LA/HD or those add up to an amount higher than 25, then it just fills out the track, and thats it. With that in mind:

    Bearded Devil (Barbazu)
    Chain Devil (Kyton)
    Erinyes (Fury)
    Imp
    Abishai, Black
    Abishai, Blue
    Abishai, Green
    Abishai, Red
    Abishai, White
    Assassin Devil (Dogai)
    Harvester Devil (Falxugon)
    Legion Devil (Merregon)
    Narzugon
    Steel Devil

    Bone Devil (Osyluth),
    Hellcat (Bezekira),
    Horned Devil (Cornugon),
    Ice Devil (Gelugon)
    Pit Fiend,

    Advespa, 4 HD, CR 3 is this from one of those two books?
    Amnizu,
    Malebranche,

    Gulthir,
    Remannon, pretty sure none of these three are from the books
    Stitched Devil

    Amnizu,
    Orthon
    Paeliryon,
    Pain Devil (Excruciarch)
    Pleaure Devil (Brachina),
    Spined Devil (Spinagon),
    Xerfilstyx, pretty sure this one is confined to the River Styx

    Kochrakon,
    Ghargatula, pretty sure these are not in the books

    Please note, I am only going to have one Pit Fiend at most accepted, so if you plan to make one, you had better make sure you make a damn good backstory and build because you are in a limited slot challenge.
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    I'm curious to see the full rules, I always like an interesting build challenge, though sometimes I struggle to complete epic characters.
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    If the codex is allowed...Iv'e been thinking, maybe some sort of a vagabond/mercenary devil who specializes in hunting contract breaker devils etc, using the Hellbreaker prc from the book - if we are going to fight other devils at all, that is

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    Last edited by MikelaC1; 2020-06-05 at 06:04 AM.
    They say "may you live in interesting times"...Ive tried interesting and now I'll take boring.

    I am not trusting my research paper to some millennial. They'll put unicorn emojis on it and post it on social media.
    - Sheldon Cooper

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