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2020-07-03, 12:32 PM (ISO 8601)
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Re: What if the new quiddity requires the world to be remade?
I am not sure what point you are trying to make.
My Thinking: The Dark One (and us) lack perfect knowledge, he does know (we assume) that the Gods hid the Snarl from him, he might know that he could seal it off, he might suspect that they can seal it off using him and he might think that the only reason that they wouldn't ask him to do so immediately is if they have plans that don't require his consent.
Do you disagree with any of that?
As for harvesting him after he dies - that would be seperate - you seem to be linking too unlinked elements.
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2020-07-03, 12:33 PM (ISO 8601)
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Re: What if the new quiddity requires the world to be remade?
Cuthalion's art is the prettiest art of all the art. Like my avatar.
Number of times Roland St. Jude has sworn revenge upon me: 2
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2020-07-03, 02:03 PM (ISO 8601)
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Re: What if the new quiddity requires the world to be remade?
The simpler solution is that TDO doesn't trust the other gods because he was murdered during ostensible peace talks with other mortals and because he was attacked by other gods shortly after ascending. And now he's working on a plan that would severely screw over other gods. Not wanting to be murdered is plenty reason enough.
But even ignoring the "fattening him up" metaphor I was extending, another proof by contradiction: assume that gods could harvest purple from TDO's divine corpse. Thor and Loki seem pretty convinced that if they don't take advantage of this god during this cycle then their chance will be lost for countless more ages if not forever, and none of the other godly opinions (on mobile so I can't link where Thor shows some other gods with their views) argue for the "kill him and harvest purple from his corpse" option. If it were viable, why are none of the parties we've seen using it as a backup plan?
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2020-07-03, 02:25 PM (ISO 8601)
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Re: What if the new quiddity requires the world to be remade?
Fatten him up was specifically about why he might not meet them based on what he might feel/think/etc they might be planning - whether it is a suitable plan for them is besides the point (although Thor did mention that he was still weak when he ascended).
They have never tested it because the situation has (seemingly) never occured before - they can't be sure it is viable, but they also can't be sure it is not.
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2020-07-03, 07:13 PM (ISO 8601)
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Re: What if the new quiddity requires the world to be remade?
Honestly, I doubt it. This story is not gonna end with all the characters dying.
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2020-07-09, 08:36 PM (ISO 8601)
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Re: What if the new quiddity requires the world to be remade?
In a Silmarillion -like twist, TDO could imbue his essence into the existing world.
To find in order to lose; To fall in order to stand up
To freeze in order to ignite; To find myself within, and not fear the edge
To die in order to be reborn to the new world
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2020-07-09, 09:32 PM (ISO 8601)
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Re: What if the new quiddity requires the world to be remade?
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2020-07-12, 06:41 PM (ISO 8601)
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Re: What if the new quiddity requires the world to be remade?
Here's something I like to do in arguments: Refresh context. This time, the context I need is just the post which started this argument and the ones before it:
Breaking it down:
- [thread title]
- Thor said that TDO might not survive long enough to make a new world, and that this could lead to the gods not being able to use purple quiddity in it. Hence, if they had to make a new world, they would need TDO to survive until the next world regardless.
- If TDO didn't survive, maybe they could use his corpse? We don't know for certain that it's impossible, and if it is there are gods who might be making such a plan if Plan A fails.
- [unquoted criticism of prior point]
- They don't know if making something out of TDO's corpse is possible because this hasn't happened before.
First off, that last point is wrong; the gods know what happens to dead gods (and if their quiddity is usable) because gods have starved to death before. But more importantly, so what?
The main thrust of the argument is that, if the world needs to be remade, it doesn't matter whether TDO is in on it ahead of time; if he dies in the interim, he dies, and there's nothing that convincing him to help a little now would do to change that.
If that were the case, literally the only thing at stake for the gods would be how long they can keep this world before making a world that works. This makes no sense, as Thor's whole plan (and his faction's arguments that they should move forward with it) revolve around preserving this world.
Because of this, TDO's presence for making the new world must be required, which implies both A. the world doesn't need to be destroyed and remade, and B. if TDO dies, they can't use purple quiddity. B further implies that the gods can't use TDO's quiddity if he dies, any more than they could use the Eastern Gods' quiddity.
Maybe the quiddity vanishes on death, leaving a husk of something that's not quiddity. (Gods aren't ephemeral like single-quiddity creations are, so there must be something holding them together.) Maybe the corpse itself disappears. Maybe gods just can't manipulate foreign quiddity unless it's tied to their kind. It doesn't matter—the evidence shows that TDO's survival is important, which means his death would be bad.
Does the argument I've made make sense?
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2020-07-12, 06:59 PM (ISO 8601)
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2020-07-12, 07:03 PM (ISO 8601)
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2020-07-17, 10:45 AM (ISO 8601)
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Re: What if the new quiddity requires the world to be remade?
To me, it feels like a way that the DM could mess up the story because they thought it was clever. I'm not sure where the actual cleverness in "You thought you were saving the world, but thanks to minutiae the gods deliberately concealed from you, the world was doomed all along!" could be. Though "everything is pointless and heroism is illusory" does sound like a theme appealing to edgelords with airs of pretension, a relatively common larval phase for DMs.
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2020-07-17, 05:41 PM (ISO 8601)
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Re: What if the new quiddity requires the world to be remade?
I feel that it kinda does need to be remade. presently it is inferior to anything that could be made by present gods. current plan is simply to patch over ruptures with four color bandaids which basically means that some parts of the world will be better than others. it still doesn't change the fact that the Snarl appears to be unraveling the world from the inside.
What would be better would be to make a four color planet someplace else that is an exact replica in physical appearance. Get the Dark One a seat at the godsmoot (a glaring problem to be sure and the reason for Durkon's pilgrimage; no proper channels of communication.). From there just teleport everyone over with a brief global mindwipe and you're good. Just need to make a new four color planet/cage over top the old planet. Snarl will get out of the planet but then it is already trapped.
though I wonder...
Are hobgoblins now four colored? Does the existence of a new Quiddity mean that new existence that didn't exist before is more real?
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2020-07-17, 10:45 PM (ISO 8601)
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Re: What if the new quiddity requires the world to be remade?
No, since the creation of the world only involved gods of three quiddities. Adding a fourth requires a system wipe and OSRI.
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2020-07-20, 09:39 AM (ISO 8601)
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Re: What if the new quiddity requires the world to be remade?
No, but since no new rifts have formed since Soon et al sealed those five. Shojo is the third leader of the Sapphie Guard, and lead it for 47 years before Miko decided his throne needed a splash of red to contrast the omnipresent blues. If we assume his father and Soon, reigned for similar lengths of time, that's well over a century without new rifts. And if we trust Thor's numbers, we have millennia. And the Dark One can just spot-weld problems when they arise.
What would be better would be to make a four color planet someplace else that is an exact replica in physical appearance. Get the Dark One a seat at the godsmoot (a glaring problem to be sure and the reason for Durkon's pilgrimage; no proper channels of communication.). From there just teleport everyone over with a brief global mindwipe and you're good. Just need to make a new four color planet/cage over top the old planet. Snarl will get out of the planet but then it is already trapped.
It feels like you're just inventing a problem that has already been accidentally solved by the description of the main plot.
though I wonder...
Are hobgoblins now four colored?