Sermil and the Banter of Randomness: Random Banter #228

[Bartmanhomer]

care to explain? I don't understand

People just don't like to hear criticism and they whine about it.

[Anonymouswizard]

Some people are crybabies on Youtube. I'm laughing very hard about that.

That's... not a very nice thing to do.

People just don't like to hear criticism and they whine about it.

Eh, it's complex. Giving critique is a skill, and if you think you've put a lot of effort into something criticism can hurt. And it doesn't help that the amount of effort you put into something is completely unrelated to how good it is, and too much can actually harm it.

While I don't agree with it there's a view that any negative comments should be sandwiched between positive comments. My personal view is to give suggestions for improvement alongside critique, in an attempt to kindle a desire for improvement, but it's debatable I'd they works at all.

Just saying, the problem could lie as much with you not saying it right as it does them taking it poorly

[el minster]

The sandwiching thing works alot better when combined with other ways to soften the blow like showing sincerity and using other things.

[Bartmanhomer]

That's... not a very nice thing to do.



Eh, it's complex. Giving critique is a skill, and if you think you've put a lot of effort into something criticism can hurt. And it doesn't help that the amount of effort you put into something is completely unrelated to how good it is, and too much can actually harm it.

While I don't agree with it there's a view that any negative comments should be sandwiched between positive comments. My personal view is to give suggestions for improvement alongside critique, in an attempt to kindle a desire for improvement, but it's debatable I'd they work at all.

Just saying, the problem could lie as much with you not saying it right as it does them taking it poorly

But what about honesty? If I want to watch a movie that a friend makes from scratch and if the movie is bad. I'll tell my friend the truth that the movie is bad. After all, I'm a movie critic.

[Peelee]

But what about honesty? If I want to watch a movie that a friend makes from scratch and if the movie is bad. I'll tell my friend the truth that the movie is bad. After all, I'm a movie critic.

You have received criticism for some ideas you've had on this site. Have you always reacted positively to such criticism, even when it was constructive?

[Anonymouswizard]

But what about honesty? If I want to watch a movie that a friend makes from scratch and if the movie is bad. I'll tell my friend the truth that the movie is bad. After all, I'm a movie critic.

honesty does not have to be brutalist.

[Bartmanhomer]

You have received criticism for some ideas you've had on this site. Have you always reacted positively to such criticism, even when it was constructive?

Really Peelee? Just name one example that I received criticism?

[Mystic Muse]

But what about honesty? If I want to watch a movie that a friend makes from scratch and if the movie is bad. I'll tell my friend the truth that the movie is bad. After all, I'm a movie critic.

But there are appropriate and inappropriate ways to say something is bad.

Telling your friend "here's what I think doesn't work, and some ideas that might make it work better." Is constructive criticism.

Just calling the movie bad, or criticizing bits of it without actually offering any sort of fix, or back and forth, verges on being a bully. As an example, I'd sure be a big old jerk if I went into every movie review you did and just called it bad, wouldn't I?

And lastly, if somebody isn't looking for criticism, don't give it. Sometimes people don't want their stuff to be criticized, and that's their right. Sometimes people just want to share a thing they made and have a bit of joy in having created it.

[Anonymouswizard]

Really Peelee? Just name one example that I received criticism?

I've lost count, a lot of times we asked for development on ideas or elaboration. I remember you seemed to get offended when I didn't think an RPG quiz show would work and wanted more explanation on how it would work (I'm not sure if I ever did get more explanation, it was a while ago).

[Fyraltari]

Really Peelee? Just name one example that I received criticism?

I can't tell wether this is meant as a joke.

[Bartmanhomer]

I can't tell wether this is meant as a joke.

If it blue text then it's a joke.

[Fyraltari]

Then I'll be frank, you've received a lot of honest, good-hearted criticism on this site, and you often react very defensively to it.

[Anonymouswizard]

I can't tell wether this is meant as a joke.

I've noticed that Bartmanhomer can read posts in an unusual way. I wouldn't be surprised if he's just somehow literally not viewed the fantasy epic length reams of critique as critique.


Now I have to go back to plabbing to visit some people on my August holiday.

[Fyraltari]

reams

Oooh, new word!

plabbing

And Merriam-webster doesn't know that one. Care to enlighten me?

[Peelee]

Oooh, new word!

It means 500 sheets of paper.

And Merriam-webster doesn't know that one. Care to enlighten me?

I imagine a typo for "planning". But I like it better. I plab to use it in the future to replace "plan."

[Bartmanhomer]

I've lost count, a lot of times we asked for development on ideas or elaboration. I remember you seemed to get offended when I didn't think an RPG quiz show would work and wanted more explanation on how it would work (I'm not sure if I ever did get more explanation, it was a while ago).

I remember that.

[Anonymouswizard]

And Merriam-webster doesn't know that one. Care to enlighten me?

Plabbing
verb

1. I was writting planning while I was lying on my side
2. I dunno, something about ducks?

[Fyraltari]

It means 500 sheets of paper.

Yes, I already got that. That's why I didn't ask clarification for that one.

[Peelee]

Yes, I already got that. That's why I didn't ask clarification for that one.

That was actually an attempt at a joke, since the specific 500 count is only regarding paper and in all other uses it simply means "a large amount".

[Bartmanhomer]

Then I'll be frank, you've received a lot of honest, good-hearted criticism on this site, and you often react very defensively to it.

Yes. That true. There was a time on this forum that I give a horrible honest review of a Marvel movie that I really dislike. So horrible that so many members was carrying pitchforks and torches trying to chase me out of town. It was the Avengers: Infinity War movie.

[Peelee]

Yes. That true. There was a time on this forum that I give a horrible honest review of a Marvel movie that I really dislike. So horrible that so many members was carrying pitchforks and torches trying to chase me out of town. It was the Avengers: Infinity War movie.

IIRC, it wasn't that the review was horribly honest, it was that the review was very generic and subjective, even as reviews go.

[Bartmanhomer]

IIRC, it wasn't that the review was horribly honest, it was that the review was very generic and subjective, even as reviews go.

Yes well if I recalled and I remember vividly: many members dislike my review of Avenger: Infinity War and one of the moderators has to lock it down.

[Peelee]

Ah. Maybe we should use another example, then.

[Mystic Muse]

Ah. Maybe we should use another example, then.

The repeated mentions that Grammarly isn't really working?

[Tvtyrant]

It's important to remember that we know our intentions are good when we say things, and not when others do. So we know we mean well and don't know that others do.

[Bartmanhomer]

But there are appropriate and inappropriate ways to say something is bad.

Telling your friend "here's what I think doesn't work, and some ideas that might make it work better." Is constructive criticism.

Just calling the movie bad, or criticizing bits of it without actually offering any sort of fix, or back and forth, verges on being a bully. As an example, I'd sure be a big old jerk if I went into every movie review you did and just called it bad, wouldn't I?

And lastly, if somebody isn't looking for criticism, don't give it. Sometimes people don't want their stuff to be criticized, and that's their right. Sometimes people just want to share a thing they made and have a bit of joy in having created it.

Yes but not everyone doesn't have to like everything just to make that person happy.

[Fyraltari]

The repeated mentions that Grammarly isn't really working?

Good one. For example:

Yes. That true. There was a time on this forum that I give a horrible honest review of a Marvel movie that I really dislike. So horrible that so many members was carrying pitchforks and torches trying to chase me out of town. It was the Avengers: Infinity War movie.

Yes. That is true. One time, on this forum, I made a horribly honest (?) review of a Marvel movie which I really dislike. It was so horrible that many forum members were carrying pitchforks and torches to chase me out of town. The movie was Avengers: Infinity War.

Yes well if I recalled and I remember vividly: many members dislike my review of Avenger: Infinity War and one of the moderators has to lock it down.

Yes, well I remember it vividly: many forum members disliked my review of Avengers: Infinity War and one of the moderators had to lock it down.

[Bartmanhomer]

Good one. For example:
Yes. That is true. One time, on this forum, I made a horribly honest (?) review of a Marvel movie which I really dislike. It was so horrible that many forum members were carrying pitchforks and torches to chase me out of town. The movie was Avengers: Infinity War.

Yes, well I remember it vividly: many forum members disliked my review of Avengers: Infinity War and one of the moderators had to lock it down.

Forget Grammarly. I need a new app to improve my proper English and grammar.

[Peelee]

Good one. For example:
Yes. That is true. One time, on this forum, I made a horribly honest (?) review of a Marvel movie which I really dislike. It was so horrible that many forum members were carrying pitchforks and torches to chase me out of town. The movie was Avengers: Infinity War.

Yes, well I remember it vividly: many forum members disliked my review of Avengers: Infinity War and one of the moderators had to lock it down.

Even then, I'd argue a semicolon would fit better than a colon after "vividly."

[Fyraltari]

Even then, I'd argue a semicolon would fit better than a colon after "vividly."

Eh, I think that's down to indivdual preferences.