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    My holy trilogy is Changes, Turn Coat and Small Favor, with Cold Days and Death Masks tied for fourth.

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    YXou dont see Small Favour up there that often.

    Mind explaining what makes it more appealing to you than say, Dead beat?

    To give Context: my Big ones are Changes, Dead beat and Cold Days, with the enxt 3 or 4 books being so close together I really rarely try to rate them (Ghost Story, proven Guilty, Small Favour and Skin Game).
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    Honestly? I think Dead Beat is bit overrated. Not bad, mind you, I just think it gets so much credit because of the Sue thing that its faults get overlooked. I really liked that it got into the Wardens more than most books, but a few of the plot points involving the Black Court and the Fallen Angels felt kinda forced. Not that he should lose credit for this, but it almost felt like Butcher was trying to make it his most popular book by tossing a highlight reel in there even when it wasn't needed. It also almost felt like a standalone that didn't completely fit into the arc plot of the rest of the series at times.

    Grave Peril was, IMO, the most underrated. The primary antagonist wasn't memorable, but the vampire party remains one of the most pivotal moments of the entire series. The jump from Fool Moon the Grave Peril was incredible- plus Thomas and Michael!

    For Small Favor- the battle at the Shedd Aquarium was one of my favorite scenes in the entire series. Lots of good Kincaid stuff. I felt like the blend of some of the different plotlines (fae, Denarians, etc.) felt more organic than in some of the other mixes. Books that focus on Harry's frenemy status with Marcone get a bonus too. The weakest part was the 50+ pages of the midlevel Gruffs chasing Harry through a building. I liked the subway Hob battle mostly because it felt like gaming.

    Least favorites are the first two and the pornomancer one.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Sloanzilla View Post
    Not that he should lose credit for this, but it almost felt like Butcher was trying to make it his most popular book by tossing a highlight reel in there even when it wasn't needed. It also almost felt like a standalone that didn't completely fit into the arc plot of the rest of the series at times.
    So I don’t entirely agree with your assessment, but it’s worth noting that that was his first hardback in the series which meant there were certain pressures for how he wrote it.
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    The portion of White Knight in the Deeps probably deserves some special mention too, IMO.

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    My problem with Grave Peril is that aside from the amazing Party (all that foreshadowing) its "Harry tries to explain to his Girlfriend/Susan does dumb things".

    It suffers as much as White Night in that I rate both barely better than 1 and 2 because they are each effectively 2 novellas, a ****ty and a great one.


    Small Favour...se thats the one that felt too forced for my tastes.
    bad thing ahpoppens, is revealed to be caused by another bad thing, oh and unrelated guys chase him, oh noes, another bad thing!"

    Aquarium part and finale, great, rest mediocre.


    Why I like Dead Beat so much is, interestingly, NOT Sue, but the reveils regarding Sheila, the Black magic bad Guys and most importantly, how he from this moment on effectively has a Nuclear Option....but doesnt use it (if you want to read a Good harry With God Power, google for Endless Pantheon on FFNet. Could in parts be from Butcher himself^^.


    Also coming from the recen Reread I must say that Skin Game actually was better than I first thought, hence the above post. Before that it was barely on Summer Knight Level on "The List" ^^


    Now, if only it was the 1dt of October now ^^
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    Quote Originally Posted by GrayDeath View Post
    My problem with Grave Peril is that aside from the amazing Party (all that foreshadowing) its "Harry tries to explain to his Girlfriend/Susan does dumb things".
    Yeah, I know it's probably not a popular opinion, but Susan is probably one of my least favorite characters, not just in the Dresden Files, but in all of fantasy, and how stupidly she behaves in Grave Peril is the main reason why. That said, Grave Peril isn't my least favorite in the series--that would probably be Blood Rites, though I gotta love a vampire being impaled by a frozen turkey.

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    Speaking of Blood Rites- I have a question from Brief Cases.

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    I thought losing your virginity basically decided whether or not you became a White Court (Lust) vampire. If you love the person, you don't, if you don't love the person, you do and the person dies. Connie seemed to love the Bigfoot's son guy, but she stayed a "potential vampire" afterwards. I know the anomaly in this case was that Bigfoot Jr. had so much of an aura that it didn't kill him- but that would not seem to interfere with the love or not love variable?


    Susan was NOT a good character, but the introduction of Thomas and Michael as well as the vampire party pump's the book's rating up quite a bit, IMO.

    Skin Game is great! Probably the best job of "bringing all the details together in one book" of the entire series. My only two complaints were 1. that the previous book introduced this huge world of outsiders etc. and then the focus of Skin Game was pretty narrow again and 2. Marcone didn't seem totally like Marcone. I felt like the mutual respect he and Harry had developed for each other suddenly vanished without explanation.

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    Presumably, they didn't love each other during their 'first time', it was a lusty hookup at a party or something? So Connie became a full-blooded WC vampire upon her first feeding, but Erwin had so much life energy to spare that he survived anyways. So they kept dating, and apparently fell in love eventually. But I'd have to re-read the Bigfoot story trilogy to be sure.
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    "Is a stack of ten pancakes too many pancakes to give to the party, even if most of them fell on the floor and one or two were stepped on? I wanted to give my party pancakes as a reward but I'm unsure if it's too much. The pancakes are also laced with blowfish poison so the party would have to get an antitoxin before they could eat the ones which weren't pulverized by shoes."

    I don't think anyone would want those pancakes even if you paid them to eat them.

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    But if she is full fledged now, wouldn't she have burned up due to having intimate contact with someone she loves? My initial perception was that the switch hadn't been flipped yet either way, for some reason. I suppose it is possible that she's caught in some torpor- she wasn't in love with the first person she had sex with, so she didn't "cure" being a vampire- but she also has yet to kill someone by sex- so she's not a full blooded. I hope there is a fourth Bigfoot story at some point that explains this.

    Also, everyone should read Brief Cases before Peace Talks, since it provides a LOT of backstory.

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    Yeah, I don't know what is up with that bit. They're an odd anomaly in that way, someone should ask Jim about that.
    Quote Originally Posted by Red Fel, on quest rewards View Post
    "Is a stack of ten pancakes too many pancakes to give to the party, even if most of them fell on the floor and one or two were stepped on? I wanted to give my party pancakes as a reward but I'm unsure if it's too much. The pancakes are also laced with blowfish poison so the party would have to get an antitoxin before they could eat the ones which weren't pulverized by shoes."

    I don't think anyone would want those pancakes even if you paid them to eat them.

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    Assuming that Justine really is having Thomas' child, we may learn more about it in subsequent books in the main series as well.

    Anyway, i kind of assumed that the whites are similar to the reds in that it is the act of feeding somebody to death that cements them as vampires. After all, we know now that even immature vampires have a Hunger spirit, even if it doesnt surface until late puberty, and that it does feed, to a point. So it cant be the act of feeding in and of itself that triggers the permanent change.
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    From the microfiction, Connie doesn't apparently know either. She's in love with Erwin, but doesn't get burned. His theory is that it's not the human part of his heritage that she feeds on, but I don't know how that would matter.
    Quote Originally Posted by Red Fel, on quest rewards View Post
    "Is a stack of ten pancakes too many pancakes to give to the party, even if most of them fell on the floor and one or two were stepped on? I wanted to give my party pancakes as a reward but I'm unsure if it's too much. The pancakes are also laced with blowfish poison so the party would have to get an antitoxin before they could eat the ones which weren't pulverized by shoes."

    I don't think anyone would want those pancakes even if you paid them to eat them.

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    Thomas and Justine had a long relationship before he finally became unable to touch her. It's clear that a lot of the things we call 'love' aren't able to injure White Court Vampires. I firmly believe Connie and Irwin care a great deal about each other, but they haven't developed the deep, mature, and potentially self-sacrificial love that hurts the Whamps.
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    We have Inari for comparison. The assumption was that she and Bobby were in love, so after they made love the demon inside of her was killed for good. Connie has vamped out more than Inari ever did, but she never formally punched her card. So I guess maybe she's something like a White Court version of Susan now? Considering the fact that Thomas' vampire status will probably be important soon - I hope Connie comes back as a character.

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    Probably the "not 100% Human" Part, that seems to shut down any and all "Pure Human Problems/Awesomeness" in Butchers Setting, one of the few things I dont like, a bit too much "Yes, natural Human all the way" and "Nope, 3.4%, yyou`re free mosnter food" at times.

    Oh, and I only skimmed it back at a friends, is anything beside Mollys and Carlos Interactiona ctually important te read in Brief Cases?
    prolly not gonna get my hands on it till October, friend is overseas, and if it is I`ll prolly gonny buy it :)

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    I felt like it would have helped with some of the dramatic tension- I can think of three different instances where my emotional response would have been greater if I'd read Brief Cases before Peace Talks.

    Also, we learn some really interesting stuff about one of Marcone's employees.

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    We have Inari for comparison. The assumption was that she and Bobby were in love, so after they made love the demon inside of her was killed for good. Connie has vamped out more than Inari ever did, but she never formally punched her card. So I guess maybe she's something like a White Court version of Susan now? Considering the fact that Thomas' vampire status will probably be important soon - I hope Connie comes back as a character.
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    According to the microfiction, she and Irwin are planning a move to Chicago, so it seems likely that they'll both be back.

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