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When some of Sigil's factions were forced to merge in order to remain in the city, what became of their strongholds and offices elsewhere?
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The fates of the various factions continued into 3rd edition: most of them decamped elsewhere on the planes, to their other strongholds, which are specifically beyond the power or attention of the Lady of Pain (she may have ultimate cosmic power, but she occupies an itty-bitty living space).
Manual of the Planes (3.0) and the Planar Handbook (3.5) covers most of the new headquarters for the factions, such as they exist after the Faction War. The Athar were originally said to be hiding at the base of the Spire of the Outlands (which Sigil is at the top of), where even divine power was diminished, but by 3rd edition seem to have decamped to the Astral Plane to observe the dead gods there. The Doomguard have four fortresses among the inner planes of Air, Fire, Earth, and Negative Energy, where they observe entropy. The Fated set up shop on Ysgard. The Mind's Eye (formed from the Believers of the Source and the Sign of the One) are now operating in the Outlands. The Society of Sensation decamped to Arborea, but they do still apparently operate the Civic Festhall in Sigil. The Transcendent Order operates out of Elysium. And the Xaositects end up in Limbo, of course.
Now, it should be mentioned, as of Planar Handbook, it seems as if elements of these factions do operate to greater or lesser degree in Sigil... without the displeasure of the Lady of Pain. No explanation is given whatsoever, and I haven't heard that any was given in any later sources. If I were permitted a theory on the matter, I could surmise that the Lady simply wanted the factions disabled as social and political powers that were unduly taking control of parts of her city: so long as they have given up attempting trying to "rule" Sigil unilaterally, they are permitted to act on behalf of those who do not even belong to their faction. This is the only justification I can find that makes sense, given that both Arwyl Swan's Song, current leader of the Sons of Mercy, and Rhys (who is, in theory, still in charge of the Transcendent Order) both are listed as "authority figures" for Sigil in the Planar Handbook. But it should be noted that neither of these individuals really hold a lot of power: Rhys is simply a member of the city council, of which there are other voices (and votes), and Arwyl probably operates as law-enforcement only at the Council's decree (and, thus, answers directly or otherwise to non-faction members).
Of course, I defer to the superior knowledge of afroakuma and others, as I must confess to having lapsed in my keeping up of D&D lore through 4th edition, and only recently was able to review sections of Mordenkainen's Tome of Foes, which had some additional lore for a few planar topics.
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I think Bohandas was asking about the event in the long past when the Lady declared that the number of factions in Sigil shall be reduced to fifteen, not the much younger event when the Lady banished the factions.
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I have a question about Pillar of Skuĺls. Doesn't it, in some aspects, break the major laws of the setting? It's on Lawful Evil Baator, but people who go there are betrayers and liers - and those should go to Carceri. Also they do retain literally all memories of every head present. How is this possible lore-wise? Are there other similar places or entities?
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How does Carceri "enforce" its metaphysical themes? I've heard Afro describe it as a bucket-of-crabs mentality, a prison where sheer paranoia and spitefulness are the biggest bars in the wall. I also recall that there's some kind of curse alleged to be on the plane so that even if you escape it you're likely to end up back there again, although I'm not sure of the details or if this is actually true...
I can understand how petitioners would be basically locked into that narrative, because they're petitioners, but Carceri is also used as an actual prison to banish things you don't want to see again, right? Some of the entities stuck there, presumably, aren't even neutral/chaotic evil, or at the very least are practical enough to not be naturally predisposed to self-sabotaging vindictiveness.
So, how does the plane keep its whole vibe going? Does it meddle with the minds of people who are there, or manipulate circumstances subtly to encourage the behaviors it wants? Or is it purely cultural factors, being surrounded by other paranoid and spiteful people tending to rub off on you?Avatar by araveugnitsuga.
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Curse is a strong word, but it's essentially right: If you ever were in Carceri, you are likely to end up there again. This is subtle, just a manipulation of probability; if you are on the Astral and fleeing something by throwing yourself into the first available color pool, chances are that it goes to Carceri. Things like that. It certainly won't get you out of places with a better hold on you, like the Demiplane of Dread, Athas or the Demiplane of Imprisonment.
I can understand how petitioners would be basically locked into that narrative, because they're petitioners, but Carceri is also used as an actual prison to banish things you don't want to see again, right? Some of the entities stuck there, presumably, aren't even neutral/chaotic evil, or at the very least are practical enough to not be naturally predisposed to self-sabotaging vindictiveness.
Also, the gereleth are the self-appointed prison wardens and bully other prisoners into "behaving". Sometimes they are even allowed to leave to hunt down escapees.
So, how does the plane keep its whole vibe going? Does it meddle with the minds of people who are there, or manipulate circumstances subtly to encourage the behaviors it wants? Or is it purely cultural factors, being surrounded by other paranoid and spiteful people tending to rub off on you?Last edited by Tzardok; 2021-01-01 at 05:15 PM.
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When Petitioners fuse with their Outer Plane, does their actual soulstuff disperse into and infuse the firmament of that plane?
If the Outer Planes are predominantly shaped by the collective belief of living beings, how intrinsic to their structure/integrity is this diffused soulstuff?
Do most non-sentient animal souls and the souls of infants end up in the Outlands by default, or does their lack of belief lead their soulstuff to be "recycled" by the Postive Energy Plane?
Do transcendent Petitioners in a Divine Realm only infuse with that Divine Realm, or to a lesser extent with the Plane as a whole too? If the former, could a particularly prevalent group of Gods come to alter the shape of an Outer Plane through channeling a disproportionate amount of soulstuff available to the planar fabric?Last edited by Dalmosh; 2021-01-01 at 09:41 PM.
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Infants go to Celestia as part of some enigmatic phenomenon. In the same way, the souls of wild animals go to the Beastlands and the ones of domesticated animals to Bytopia.
Do transcencent Petitioners in a Divine Realm only infuse with that Divine Realm, or to a lesser extent with the Plane as a whole too? If the former, could a particularly prevalent group of Gods come to alter the shape of an Outer Plane through channeling a disproportionate amount of soulstuff available to the planar fabric?
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"Infants go to Celestia as part of some enigmatic phenomenon. In the same way, the souls of wild animals go to the Beastlands and the ones of domesticated animals to Bytopia."
Seems like a fairly recent hijacking of the default order of things to me. Guardinals and Archons deciding what's best for those without the capacity to choose is getting into some murky ethical waters, especially since Zaphkiel won't reveal anything about what actually goes on in Chronias. Do infant orcs go to Chronias too? What about Mindflayer tadpoles?
Bytopia makes sense for particularly faithful loyal dogs and horses, but that should be an exception rather than a rule. If you're not inherently aligned, and you're not sentient then you can't really make moral choices in a meaningful way that fits with the nature of the Great Wheel.Last edited by Dalmosh; 2021-01-01 at 10:07 PM.
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There really is no guaranteed method, as noted - she's notoriously inscrutable about how she chooses to solve problems. It is generally more likely to be mazed for causing disruption among society than by damaging the city or assaulting her personage (including her servants), which is far more often punished by immediate murdering.
That's the gist - to possess a life force is to have an animus of positive energy; to be a mindless undead is to have an animus of negative energy.
2. Incarnum is a magic substance made up of soul energy but is it possible that Incarnum is created from animi?
3. Plants and oozes are normally mindless and have animi but do intelligent one like treants have souls (and would something like a treant soulmeld be possible)?
4. Do warforged and other intelligent constructs have a real soul or an potentially better animated force (or an animus)?
5. If somebody uses "awaken" on a tree or "awaken vermin" on vermin does he create a new soul for that now sentient being or does he 'upgrade' the animus into a soul?
Edit: 5.5 Does the 'upgraded' animus disappear like a normal animus or is the creature able to go into an afterlife?
6. Do the spells "awaken construct" and "incarnate construct" create a soul or do they change the animated force and what happens to the animated force if it doesn't change especially in the case of "incarnate construct"?
Many of them remained intact as sects - these can be found scattered around the Great Wheel, including the Ring-Givers, Incantifiers, and Mathematicians among others. Some, of course, became abandoned.
Liars come in many stripes - Carceri collects particular kinds of liars and traitors, and they need to belong to that plane. The Pillar of Skulls is also in part "curated" by the baatezu from "trophies" they have collected in the Blood War, so it's not entirely composed of "locals."
Not a curse, so much as the nasty fact that once you've spent time in Carceri's environment of selfish backstabbing paranoia, it tends to leave its mark - and it has an unfortunate way of getting under your skin. Nothing magical compels you to come back.
I can understand how petitioners would be basically locked into that narrative, because they're petitioners, but Carceri is also used as an actual prison to banish things you don't want to see again, right? Some of the entities stuck there, presumably, aren't even neutral/chaotic evil, or at the very least are practical enough to not be naturally predisposed to self-sabotaging vindictiveness.
So, how does the plane keep its whole vibe going? Does it meddle with the minds of people who are there, or manipulate circumstances subtly to encourage the behaviors it wants? Or is it purely cultural factors, being surrounded by other paranoid and spiteful people tending to rub off on you?
For others, who didn't necessarily belong there, the challenge may be more physical in nature - certainly the gehreleths don't want people leaving. Stay long enough, and you will eventually fit right in - Carceri is six flavors of misery and all of them looooove company.
Yep.
If the Outer Planes are predominantly shaped by the collective belief of living beings, how intrinsic to their structure/integrity is this diffused soulstuff?
Do most non-sentient animal souls and the souls of infants end up in the Outlands by default, or does their lack of belief lead their soulstuff to be "recycled" by the Postive Energy Plane?
Do transcendent Petitioners in a Divine Realm only infuse with that Divine Realm, or to a lesser extent with the Plane as a whole too? If the former, could a particularly prevalent group of Gods come to alter the shape of an Outer Plane through channeling a disproportionate amount of soulstuff available to the planar fabric?
Any soul which has not yet had the chance to take on definition and form astral links to any kind of principle on its own, including infant orcs (but not mindflayer tadpoles, which are nonsapient in that stage of life and have an animus, not a soul), goes to Chronias. This is not Zaphkiel's decision; rather, it is his responsibility and has the concurrence of the pantheons by and large, who no more wish to see the mass exploitation of the undetermined post-birth than pre-birth (see also the Ban of the Unborn). Chronias, whatever else it is, is the most secure sanctum of Law (they have struck a covenant that they will not exploit the souls, and therefore will not) and Good (they will ensure no harm or exploitation of the souls by other parties, because it is the right thing to do) available.Need a place to hang? Like Discord? Don't mind dealing with a capricious demon lord? Then you're welcome to join our LGBTQ+ friendly, often silly, very geeky server to discuss food, music, video games, tabletop, and much more.
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So mindless undead have a negative energy animus rather than a soul.
Do non mindless undead always have a soul, and is it always the soul of the creature it was in life, or is it possible that they have a random evil soul summoned into them, or just an advanced animus?
Obviously, something like a lich has the original creature's soul, but does a vampire? A ghoul?
Are incorporeal undead by definition formed from the original creature's soul, or is it possible for them to be formed as an imprint from pure negative energy (or ambient soul stuff, etc)?
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This is not Zaphkiel's decision; rather, it is his responsibility and has the concurrence of the pantheons by and large, who no more wish to see the mass exploitation of the undetermined post-birth than pre-birth
What draws nonsapient animal souls towards a mildly good aligned plane? Do behaviourally deviant animals end up in Pandemonium or Carceri instead (e.g. a lion with a tendency to infanticide that is pushed out of its pride, a captive animal in a cage that becomes aggressively demented)?
Are infant souls likely to evolve into something else based upon their environment, or do they lack the sense of self required to do so?
What would be some of the biggest philosophical contentions/objections that the Court of Stars would have against the Celestial Hebdomad? Presumably something about tacit support for Baatezu tyranny through the Pact Primeval?
How much do the Hebdomad likely remember of their mortal lives?
Which member of the Hebdomad is generally the best known, and most commonly interacted with by non-archons?
How would Morwel do things differently if she needed to take on Zaphkiel's responsibility, and was given a proportional amount of support from the Gods to do so? How about Asmodeus's duty to hold back the demons?Last edited by Dalmosh; 2021-01-04 at 01:48 AM.
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In 1st Edition, the Beastlands were the Happy Hunting Grounds. That is probably why animals are drawn there.
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Is there a list somewhere of all the grand libraries out there in the planes?
Is it only the heavens that have useful libraries or are there hellish tomes hoarded in some infernal layer somewhere?
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I think it's the sympathetic connection between those planes and animals. The Beastlands and to a lesser extent Bytopia are nature affine (especially with an animal flavour) in a way the other planes aren't, and this animalness draws souls with animalness to them, just like the Chaotic Goodness of Arborea draws souls with the right amount of Chaotic Goodness to it.
How much do the Hebdomad likely remember of their mortal lives?
The Tower Arcane in Gehenna is the archive for all the knowledge the yugoloth have collected, curated by the arcanoloth.
Mephistopheles has a wizard college in his capitol; I would assume that it has a library on infernal magic.
There are one or two demon lords with a focus on books or lore, I think. Afro fleshed one of them out here.
I also vaguely remember something about Graz'zt having a remarkable public (and remarkably public) library.
I don't remember any others, but there are a bunch of deities of magic (Velsharoon, Melifleur, Wee Jas, Hekate) or knowledge (Aflux) on the lower planes, of which all, some or none may have libraries as part of their divine realms.Last edited by Tzardok; 2021-01-11 at 05:21 PM.
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Maybe it is not so much something about Bytopia and the Beastlands that draws animal souls to them, but something about Gehenna and Carceri that repels animal souls from them, sending them to the diametrically opposing planes.
The jungles of Colothys, where liars are deceived by nature until consumed by it, is quite a stark contrast to Bytopia, where honest work tames savage nature.
Gehenna is near pure violence, where the ground itself "hunts" anything living, a very profound opposite to the Beastlands, where nature invites all life to thrive, even though some are predators.
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Nope. Some non-mindless undead are animi that come into existence mimicking memories left inside the shell of the deceased, or emotions.
Also liches technically do and do not have souls - the soul is, of course, not in the lich.
and is it always the soul of the creature it was in life
Are incorporeal undead by definition formed from the original creature's soul, or is it possible for them to be formed as an imprint from pure negative energy (or ambient soul stuff, etc)?
The alignment of the Beastlands has little relevance to the animals; rather, it is the plane that most naturally hosts animal spirits because it allows them to each behave according to their nature (chaotic good) and accords a place to each, regardless of what they may be (neutral good).
Do behaviourally deviant animals end up in Pandemonium or Carceri instead (e.g. a lion with a tendency to infanticide that is pushed out of its pride, a captive animal in a cage that becomes aggressively demented)?
Are infant souls likely to evolve into something else based upon their environment, or do they lack the sense of self required to do so?
What would be some of the biggest philosophical contentions/objections that the Court of Stars would have against the Celestial Hebdomad? Presumably something about tacit support for Baatezu tyranny through the Pact Primeval?
• The Court of Stars believes in inspiration; the Hebdomad claims to celebrate that same virtue, but their version is much more akin to evangelism, "a firm guiding hand," or the occasional kick in the seat of the pants. The Court of Stars feels that the Hebdomad's narrow view will result in an incomplete vision doomed to repeat the same mistakes over and over while insisting the fault is with those who would consider alternatives; the Hebdomad feels the Court of Stars risks giving the wrong path at the wrong time, which could result in all sorts of mess.
• The Court of Stars has no love for demonkind, but they view the corrupting influence of devils and their cults to be a black gauntlet poised to crush Prime worlds in its inflexible grip, and wish to invest more efforts against Baator. The Hebdomad in turn despises the devils, but holds that demons' reckless urge for defilement and destruction risk the very pillars of existence, which makes them by far the more pressing threat.
• The Court of Stars fears that direct intervention on the Prime is counterproductive, and enjoins eladrins to avoid revealing themselves while providing aid, out of concern that their influence will create dependence, overreliance, or an unwillingness to take independent choices. The Hebdomad agree that direct intervention by archons should be employed sparingly, but in turn they motivate their agents (paladins, etc.) to take a very active hand in proclaiming the nature of virtue and ensuring that mortals understand their specific view of it, lest they get the wrong ideas and stray from the most proper road to goodness.
How much do the Hebdomad likely remember of their mortal lives?
Which member of the Hebdomad is generally the best known, and most commonly interacted with by non-archons?
How would Morwel do things differently if she needed to take on Zaphkiel's responsibility, and was given a proportional amount of support from the Gods to do so?
How about Asmodeus's duty to hold back the demons?
"All," no, I do not believe. There are a great many - several gods of knowledge have one, of course, as well as unique locations such as Timaresh, or Gresil's library in the depths of the Abyss.
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What lore is there on beings that have one soul shared by two (or more) bodies? I know of the dvati race introduced in a Dragon (or Dungeon) Mag., but I don't know how canon they are.
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There's also the gods and the planar lords, who all have various aspects and avatars running around.
If you look at the Modrons in a certain light they're essentially all aspects of Primus
There's also Kyuss, and other lesser worm-that-walks creatures.
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Are there any iconic demigods exist? If so, what are their names?
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One problem is this question is that "iconic" tends to mean different things to different people, however Zagyg is pretty iconic with D&D and has Demigod rank.
I would also consider Hercules an answer - while less iconic within D&D, he is still iconic and his D&D portrayal is as a Demigod.
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Another Carceri question, sorry. I'm trying to flesh out the "native fauna" and encounters, and I'm wondering what I can feasibly get away with. Obviously there's gereleths, and probably a fair scattering of yugoloths/baatezu/tanar'ri, and the smattering of creatures from elsewhere that get stuck there. I'm guessing creatures native to other lower planes like Night Hags, Barghests, Nightmares, and whatever a Yeth Hound is might also be found there in some amounts?
-Do elementals ever end up on the outer planes? I've been led to believe that the answer is no, but I wanted to check. No earth elementals popping up on Colothys, or anything like that? Or... mephits, I guess? I honestly don't know what a mephit is, they seem to be outsiders in 3.5 and elementals in 5e.
-The fiendish template is... let's say, widely applicable, but doesn't have much guidance for where it's appropriate. Are there a bunch of fiendish animals/fey/oozes/giants stomping around down there?Avatar by araveugnitsuga.
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Dvati are canonical, yes. As noted above, they would be the most distinct mortal execution of the idea of a multiply-embodied soul. I'm not sure what specifics you are looking for outside of that?
I do not understand this question. As Khedrac indicates, there are very very many demigods. By what standard are we to consider "iconic?"
Bah, I love Carceri.
I'm trying to flesh out the "native fauna" and encounters, and I'm wondering what I can feasibly get away with. Obviously there's gereleths, and probably a fair scattering of yugoloths/baatezu/tanar'ri, and the smattering of creatures from elsewhere that get stuck there. I'm guessing creatures native to other lower planes like Night Hags, Barghests, Nightmares, and whatever a Yeth Hound is might also be found there in some amounts?
-Do elementals ever end up on the outer planes? I've been led to believe that the answer is no, but I wanted to check. No earth elementals popping up on Colothys, or anything like that?
Or... mephits, I guess? I honestly don't know what a mephit is, they seem to be outsiders in 3.5 and elementals in 5e.
-The fiendish template is... let's say, widely applicable, but doesn't have much guidance for where it's appropriate. Are there a bunch of fiendish animals/fey/oozes/giants stomping around down there?
To add a bit of color to fiendish creatures, you may wish to substitute out their smite good ability for a 1/day spell-like ability of suitable nature - for instance: corrosive graspSC, wall of smokeSC, inciteSC, backbiterSC, babau slimeSC, baleful transpositionSC, phantom foeSC, delusions of grandeurSC, miser's envySC, resinous tarCM, incendiary slimeCM, acid arrow, suggestion, lesser confusion, et cetera. You may also want to swap fire resistance for acid resistance - most of Carceri's native environments are at least mildly acidic, and many lethally so.Need a place to hang? Like Discord? Don't mind dealing with a capricious demon lord? Then you're welcome to join our LGBTQ+ friendly, often silly, very geeky server to discuss food, music, video games, tabletop, and much more.
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Popular and famous to whom?
Zagyg is certainly famous on Oerth (part of his ascension to godhood was capturing demigods and successfully imprisoning them for a period of time).
Herculs is certainly famous on earth, but I don't know any D&D world outside of Planescape where he is likely to have a following.
As for popular, this can have different implications:
If you mean "popular, as in a lot of people follow (worship) them" then there probably aren't any - that sort of thing tends to lead to promotion from demigod status to a higher rank. Recently ascended people with a lot of followers also go here, e.g. Al'Akbar on Oerth ("recent" is a relative term and means different things to different people like gods).
If you would accept "popular - a lot of people like them, but don't follow them" then if there is a demigod of wine/partying in a world they might fit this category.
(I thought that the D&D Olympian pantheon might have one of these, but their god of wine is Dionysyus who is an intermediate god; on the other hand Nike, the demigoddess of victory might count.)
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Re: afroakuma's Planar And Other Oddities Questions Thread VIII
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